Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

RobitTV · 19-02-2021 01:54PM

JMNolan wrote: »

My son has a few buddies over today and he's heading off tonight for a house party. He's thrilled and I'm thrilled for him.

Oh my god :eek: pure and utter evil.

UDAWINNER · 19-02-2021 01:55PM

JMNolan wrote: »

My son has a few buddies over today and he's heading off tonight for a house party. He's thrilled and I'm thrilled for him.

Will you be so thrilled if he brings covid in to household I wonder, then people wonder why theses lockdowns will last longer. But hey, live you life:)

Russman · 19-02-2021 01:57PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Does it really matter if they are 40% effective or 99% effective?
They are supposed to be used where PCR testing is not usually required so any infection they catch is one which would have been missed.
This point seems to go over the head of NPHET and the HSE.

The fact that they have been 'studying' it since August says it all, that's why I used the term 'dithering'.

Why would you opt for one in a real world situation if you can have a PCR though ?

What if they'd come out and said "yeah, we looked at them and they're not worth a f--k" ? People wouldn't be happy then either. All they can do, as he said last night, is to continue to look at them and when the evidence is there, change their view. It'd be different if he'd said we're against them on principle and won't change our mind.
To be honest, I'd be more inclined to accept the view of the medical professionals charged with dealing with this, than some journalist pontificating.

JMNolan · 19-02-2021 01:58PM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Will you be so thrilled if he brings covid in to household I wonder, then people wonder why theses lockdowns will last longer. But hey, live you life:)

I'll be grand, don't worry about old JMNolan!

19-02-2021 01:59PM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Will you be so thrilled if he brings covid in to household I wonder, then people wonder why theses lockdowns will last longer. But hey, live you life:)

You're constantly virtue signalling, my friend.

They've probably assessed their own risk and deemed it acceptable. You can expect more of this as time goes on. Right, or wrong, people just aren't going to continue adhering to never-ending lockdowns.

19-02-2021 02:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

By "we", I evidently mean the majority of this thread, and presumably at this stage, the majority of the country who can objectively view the situation based on statistics, not emotion.

CSO: The average age of people dying from Covid is 83, the same as that for all deaths.
Most also had underlying conditions.

Please explain your reasoning why we should continue with level 5 restrictions and lockdowns after the elderly and medically vulnerable have been vaccinated. Economic justification would also be appreciated.

Given that most estimates put the odds of dying from covid at roughly the same as the odds of dying from all other causes that is hardly surprising. If old people were disproportionately at risk, relative to the base risk, the average age would be above that for all deaths

nj27 · 19-02-2021 02:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is an important point, btw, incase nobody picked up on it. Lockdowns have/will become normalized, in a way. I wonder if conditioning will result in people accepting it so easily next time 'round.

Hopefully we'll never get back to this point again, but it's something to be aware of.

Climate lockdowns have been bandied about in some circles. Actually a good strategy might be to extend level 5 into the summer then segue straight into a climate lockdown which will last until the autumn lockdown for the 4th wave of covid.

C__MC · 19-02-2021 02:02PM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Will you be so thrilled if he brings covid in to household I wonder, then people wonder why theses lockdowns will last longer. But hey, live you life:)

See this is the thing
It’s wrong to go to the party but in terms of people under 50 getting COVID, more than likely they’ll make a full recovery

MOH · 19-02-2021 02:03PM

pm1977x wrote: »

I can only imagine the explosion of rage, vitriol, claims of 'police state' etc had we ever been under a nationwide curfew due to Covid so cherry picking the positive out of the situation is disingenuous.

Uh, we are.

You do realise you're currently supposed to be staying in your home at all times except for exercise and buying essentials?

It's effectively a 24 hour curfew.

retalivity · 19-02-2021 02:05PM

Been saying it for months but it bears repeating:

Fúck Martin.
Fúck Varadkar.
Fúck NPHET.

And especially, Fúck Tony H.

19-02-2021 02:06PM

growleaves wrote: »

Colonel Gaspard famously said that he joined the French Resistance because he couldn't stand night after night of curfew.

Despite all the talk of 'snowflakes', or maybe because of it, people who live in 2021 seem to be one of the most stoic generations in human history. Many people won't even admit that years of restrictions are a burden and get annoyed when someone brings it up.

Colonel Gaspard did not have the option of descending into a spiral of rant fuelled conspiracy on social media in 1941 however. Perhaps if planches.fr had existed in 1941, the online resistance would have concluded that the best course of action to rid the German from their country would have been to storm the Bastille in viking helmets

19-02-2021 02:07PM

nj27 wrote: »

Climate lockdowns have been bandied about in some circles. Actually a good strategy might be to extend level 5 into the summer then segue straight into a climate lockdown which will last until the autumn lockdown for the 4th wave of covid.

"Climate lockdowns", yeah, I've heard this mentioned myself. It's like a bad comedy at this point. I certainly won't be adhering to any such nonsense if it ever comes to pass, but that's for another thread altogether.

fred funk }{ · 19-02-2021 02:08PM

JMNolan wrote: »

My son has a few buddies over today and he's heading off tonight for a house party. He's thrilled and I'm thrilled for him.

MURDERER!!

Seriously, fairplay. We've thrown the towel in now, its just gone beyond what anyone can expect a family to do. I'm gonna drive to see my mother over the weekend, 100KM round trip. I just don't care any more.

normanoffside · 19-02-2021 02:09PM

Chance to have your say about RTE

https://www.rte.ie/eile/2021/0209/1196058-have-your-say-about-rte/

19-02-2021 02:10PM

nj27 wrote: »

Climate lockdowns have been bandied about in some circles. Actually a good strategy might be to extend level 5 into the summer then segue straight into a climate lockdown which will last until the autumn lockdown for the 4th wave of covid.

I can see the Opinion pieces now..

"Goys we can like totally save the planet if we just stay in our houses for just 2 weeks" "Hey have you ever heard of pod living?" "These insects taste delicious!"

growleaves · 19-02-2021 02:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Colonel Gaspard did not have the option of descending into a spiral of rant fuelled conspiracy on social media in 1941 however. Perhaps if planches.fr had existed in 1941, the online resistance would have concluded that the best course of action to rid the German from their country would have been to storm the Bastille in viking helmets

I agree with all the criticisms of online "slacktivism", and real protests would carry more weight.

Don't know what your obsession with some joker in a costume is about. Anything can be made to look silly if you associate it with silliness. That wasn't even anything to do with covid restrictions far as I know.

RobitTV · 19-02-2021 02:12PM

Q4 In your view, are there any other principles that RTÉ should follow?

Answer: Scrap the licence fee and say goodbye to Joe Duffy

19-02-2021 02:13PM

growleaves wrote: »

I agree with all the criticisms of online "slacktivism", and real protests would carry more weight.

Don't know what your obsession with some joker in a costume is about. Anything can be made to look silly if you associate it with silliness. That wasn't even anything to do with covid far as I know.

Its now become an avatar for generic clueless social media fuelled conspiracy based protest

19-02-2021 02:14PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Q4 In your view, are there any other principles that RTÉ should follow?

Answer: Scrap the licence fee and say goodbye to Joe Duffy

Constructive

normanoffside · 19-02-2021 02:15PM

Russman wrote: »

Why would you opt for one in a real world situation if you can have a PCR though ?

Imagine if you are going into work or school and are going to be meeting other people.
Should you take a PCR before you go in the door? If so, What's the point of that when it will take a day or two to get the results back. Are people gonna set up PCR testing labs at the door of businesses and schools?
If you are not sick or a close contact you don't qualify for a PCR anyway and if the company funds it privately it costs €100+
Antigens give quick results and you don't need to go to a lab to get one.

Apparently meat factories are now using them as a screen, a good idea.
Michael McNamara explains it well.

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1362416111275433987

By the way, Italy, Germany, Holland, Spain and many other countries now insist on an Antigen test on the day of flying for entry. They see it as better than having a PCR 3 days previous as it gives real time results, not those from 72 hours previous.
If it's good enough for these countries, why not for us?

scouserstation · 19-02-2021 02:15PM

Does anybody on here actually believe we will ever get back to normal? Personally I think Covid is here to stay and we will be dealing with this for the long haul, you will probably have seasonal rise in cases similar to influenza then a retraction and opening back up every summer,
So what do we do going forward? We can't keep closing down our economy and shutting our borders every year but there doesn't seem to be anybody within government or opposition willing to take a stand so that just leaves civilians to fight these ridiculous restrictions, somehow I don't feel we have enough fight left in us here in this country compared to other EU nations, a sad day for Ireland

19-02-2021 02:16PM

Edz87 wrote: »

I can see the Opinion pieces now..

"Goys we can like totally save the planet if we just stay in our houses for just 2 weeks" "Hey have you ever heard of pod living?" "These insects taste delicious!"

Stop the world and get me off!!

Graham · 19-02-2021 02:17PM

scouserstation wrote: »

So what do we do going forward?

Vaccinate people?

growleaves · 19-02-2021 02:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its now become an avatar for generic clueless social media fuelled conspiracy based protest

People can object to multi-year Level 5 restrictions sans conspiracy theorising.

Even you could object. Did you start out believing that anything except 'low double-digit case numbers' merits "severe lockdown" all of the time?

pjohnson · 19-02-2021 02:20PM

scouserstation wrote: »

Does anybody on here actually believe we will ever get back to normal? Personally I think Covid is here to stay and we will be dealing with this for the long haul, you will probably have seasonal rise in cases similar to influenza then a retraction and opening back up every summer,
So what do we do going forward? We can't keep closing down our economy and shutting our borders every year but there doesn't seem to be anybody within government or opposition willing to take a stand so that just leaves civilians to fight these ridiculous restrictions, somehow I don't feel we have enough fight left in us here in this country compared to other EU nations, a sad day for Ireland

We need a Dark Knight to rise.

Corby Trouser Press · 19-02-2021 02:20PM

The issue according, to the media and opposition, is not the actual extension of restrictions.

The problem is the "messaging".

Nobody dares ask as to the justification of the restrictions.

NPHET advice is a fait accompli.

To describe it as "advice" is double-speak.

growleaves · 19-02-2021 02:23PM

pjohnson wrote: »

We need a Dark Knight to rise.

p you are the hero Ireland deserves, but not the one it needs right now - with your throwaway one-liners.

neris · 19-02-2021 02:23PM

Hitler Holohan and his mouthpiece mehole ruining the country and the people for another 9 weeks.

robbiezero · 19-02-2021 02:23PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Dr Glynn said they are waiting a few more months to see if those vaccines will take an effect. The data at the moment is inconclusive
He must be worried Our health care staff have a different genetic make up the Israeli’s where vaccinations have already proven to be effective.

One of the journalists last night called him out on NPHET’s dithering and inability to take or make decisions on things because they seem to need to be 100% sure before doing anything.

He got very flustered and almost angry in his defensiveness.

They have been absolutely useless along with the Government.

Early days, unknown pandemic, possibly deadly, lock down, stay at home, only open essentials - all fine.

Year later, pandemic is not all that deadly, response is still the same. Clumsy Level 5 lockdown until vaccination gets us out of it. So what use has our team of 40 of our best and brightest been? SFA in my opinion.

What have we achieved in the year since the start:
Schools open - Nope,
Special needs kids catered for - Nope
Leaving Cert students even - Nope
Health System extended and expanded to cater for Covid - Nope
Communication strategy - Appalling and just keeps getting worse.
Virus is very low risk transmission outdoors so have we tailored our lock downs with this in mind - Have we f**k.
I'm sure loads more could be added to the list of failures, and very little to the list of successes.

Penfailed · 19-02-2021 02:23PM

growleaves wrote: »

Most of the pro-restrictions supporters on this thread are now obsessed with scoring pedantry points over turns of phrase.

I'm not pro-restriction. I'm not obsessed. I'm somewhat pedantic.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings