Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

retro:electro · 19-02-2021 12:50PM

RGS wrote: »

you missed:

We are getting the vaccines into arms.
Vaccines are one part of the response.

We know its tough for people.

We are all in this together.

“Cautious” “conservative” “slow reopening”

normanoffside · 19-02-2021 12:50PM

Multipass wrote: »

Given that one of the main threats to the hospitals was lack of staff due to sickness or self isolating, the fact that they are now vaccinated should have a huge effect on the ability to cope. We should be starting to open right now. Cocoon the elderly that are still waiting for vaccination, and for gods sake try to get any vaccine to them before they die of old age. Enough is enough.

Dr Glynn said they are waiting a few more months to see if those vaccines will take an effect. The data at the moment is inconclusive
He must be worried Our health care staff have a different genetic make up the Israeli’s where vaccinations have already proven to be effective.

One of the journalists last night called him out on NPHET’s dithering and inability to take or make decisions on things because they seem to need to be 100% sure before doing anything.

He got very flustered and almost angry in his defensiveness.

growleaves · 19-02-2021 12:51PM

pm1977x wrote: »

I'd have no issue with a curfew, as you say not much you can be doing anyway, but the die-hards on here would lose their minds.

Colonel Gaspard famously said that he joined the French Resistance because he couldn't stand night after night of curfew.

Despite all the talk of 'snowflakes', or maybe because of it, people who live in 2021 seem to be one of the most stoic generations in human history. Many people won't even admit that years of restrictions are a burden and get annoyed when someone brings it up.

Multipass · 19-02-2021 12:53PM

pm1977x wrote: »

I'd have no issue with a curfew, as you say not much you can be doing anyway, but the die-hards on here would lose their minds.

Oh I’d have issue with it alright, as being another stupid over reaction that would make absolutely no difference. But it wouldn’t make life any more miserable, because we’re already at maximum misery with the stupidity currently forced upon us.

Multipass · 19-02-2021 12:54PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Dr Glynn said they are waiting a few more months to see if those vaccines will take an effect. The data at the moment is inconclusive
He must be worried Our health care staff have a different genetic make up the Israeli’s where vaccinations have already proven to be effective.

One of the journalists last night called him out on NPHET’s dithering and inability to take or make decisions on things because they seem to need to be 100% sure before doing anything.

He got very flustered and almost angry in his defensiveness.

This probably means they are still sending vaccinated staff home to self isolate. Wouldn’t surprise me, nothing would anymore.

pm1977x · 19-02-2021 12:55PM

batman_oh wrote: »

It's not even a comparison - at least with the curfew you are allowed meet other people and actually live a little. Walking 5km on your own for months is far worse.

Psychologically the word 'curfew' or thought of being under curfew, rather than the actual restriction seems to trigger a sense of severe oppression in many.

Bartyman · 19-02-2021 12:55PM

badger54 wrote: »

Seems increasingly doubtful that construction will return, as previously signposted, from March 5th.

Independent reports that "A small amount of construction may be permitted next month but most restrictions will remain in place until the end of April or start of May. Restrictions will be reviewed in early April."

A small amount? Like what? How? Housing to return on phased basis?

While the situation, and the Christmas debacle, clearly merits tough action can't we have a little more clarity!

https://www.dfa.ie/news-and-media/press-releases/press-release-archive/2020/december/minister-coveney--minister-ryan-announce-covid-consular-flights-and-ferry-access-for-irish-resident.php

Samsonsmasher · 19-02-2021 12:56PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Once the over 70s are vaccinated everyone should do as they please. Enough is enough.

That's not going to happen. Bus drivers are the most fanatical about mask wearing. They wail and scream at people who don't comply when they board.
On trains and the DART for months now fanatics have been photographing people merely for having their masks under the chin and outing them on twitter.
In large shops you can get away with not wearing a mask but in small shops you will get screamed at.
At work you have no leeway either.
If you travel by public transport you can avoid Garda checkpoints and nobody is stopped on foot so meeting friends or romantic partners is no problem in the Dublin urban area

francogarbanzo · 19-02-2021 12:57PM

pm1977x wrote: »

Psychologically the word 'curfew' or thought of being under curfew, rather than the actual restriction seems to trigger a sense of severe oppression in many.

That's because "curfew" is typically what overbearing parents place on children.

19-02-2021 01:00PM

Boggles wrote: »

What do you mean "we're saying"?

On a lighter note, Boggles' access to the

emoji should be revoked.

2021 quota has already been far surpassed :pac:

Boggles · 19-02-2021 01:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

CSO: The average age of people dying from Covid is 83, the same as that for all deaths.

.

Could you link to the CSO claim please?

Parachutes · 19-02-2021 01:01PM

A curfew when nothing is open anyway? What are you going to do, drive your car and get covid through the vents?? These lockdown lunatics won't be content till every single person bar the politicians are living in a padded cell 24 hours a day.

muddypuppy · 19-02-2021 01:04PM

My opinion on curfews is that they are completely useless, it's not like covid spread more after it's dark. It might help to reduce house parties, but the solution is simply to sleep where you are having fun, do an all-nighter until the curfew end or just use one of the many reasons you might break it if anybody stops you (unless you are found drunk or in groups having fun just say that you work nightshifts and are going home).

I would happily take a temporary curfew in exchange of relaxations of the lockdown in other areas but let's be realistic, it's a lot more likely that we would get the curfew without anything in exchange.
I think countries that have one (maybe outside of France where the curfew is pretty strong) are just doing it to show they are doing something.

ArthurDayne · 19-02-2021 01:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The great depression was a consequence of economic policy and not the post WW1 /Spanish Epidemic boom.

The post WW2 US economic boom highlighted how the lessons of the 20's had been learned and a sustained economic boom followed until the oil crisis put paid to that 25 years later.

Well, I wasn’t saying in my post that the Great Depression was caused by Spanish Flu or WWI, but I take your point nonetheless — though to an extent I still disagree. I don’t think that one can utterly rule out that the dawn of mechanised warfare did not have any effect on how global policy panned out over the course of the succeeding decade — the extent to which Spanish flu had any influence I’m not so sure.

Nonetheless, it is more or less a matter of historical record that lingering grievances from the First World War were exacerbated by the economic fallout of the Depression (most acutely in Germany, where the tinderbox of festering resentment was set alight by the crash). People tend to forget that the Roaring Twenties was also a decade of deepening social divisions, where the booms belied resentment in demographic changes and fuelled a surge in extremism (ethnicity and class divisions etc).

And that’s the danger I see ahead, a schism in society and a generation of young people who will ask, with some justification, why was our future tossed to the wind in favour of the longest-living generation in human history who enjoyed the post-war social democratic boom and the explosion of opportunity and prosperity / welfare? Where is our reward? Where is our safety net? Where is our welfare state? In a world which is already showing signs of reverting back towards the radical right, the support of an angered generation of young people is now up for grabs.

19-02-2021 01:07PM

Boggles wrote: »

Could you link to the CSO claim please?

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcases/

"In almost 88% of deaths there was an underlying condition, the median age of these deaths was 83, the same as that for all deaths. This compares to the median age of 48 for all those with a confirmed case of the virus".

For the amount of time spent discussing this topic, you should already know this, Boggles, to be fair.

C__MC · 19-02-2021 01:07PM

Many checkpoints on the Motorways folks around Dublin

normanoffside · 19-02-2021 01:11PM

Boggles wrote: »

Could you link to the CSO claim please?

The CSO don't make claims they present statistical facts.

Boggles · 19-02-2021 01:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcases/

"In almost 88% of deaths there was an underlying condition, the median age of these deaths was 83, the same as that for all deaths. This compares to the median age of 48 for all those with a confirmed case of the virus".

For the amount of time spent discussing this topic, you should already know this, Boggles, to be fair.

That's not what you claimed they claimed.

normanoffside wrote: »

The CSO don't make claims they present statistical facts.

I am aware, thanks Norman.

Russman · 19-02-2021 01:18PM

normanoffside wrote: »

One of the journalists last night called him out on NPHET’s dithering and inability to take or make decisions on things because they seem to need to be 100% sure before doing anything.

He got very flustered and almost angry in his defensiveness.

I thought he did a decent job countering some of her sh1te to be honest, especially re antigen testing, vitamin D etc.

19-02-2021 01:22PM

Boggles wrote: »

That's not what you claimed they claimed.

As another poster said when this was discussed previously "the above is about the median age as well, so less skewed than the average by say a few 100+ year olds"

So again, based on the statistics, I'd like to hear your reasoning/justification for continuing lockdowns/level 5 restrictions after the elderly and medically vulnerable have been vaccinated.

growleaves · 19-02-2021 01:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So again, based on the statistics, I'd like to hear your reasoning/justification for continuing lockdowns/level 5 restrictions after the elderly and medically vulnerable have been vaccinated.

He doesn't have any reasoning or justification. If the government were enforcing Level 3 he would be supporting Level 3 and writing '

' at anyone who wanted Level 2 or Level 4.

'Debate' with conformist bots is a waste of time. Most of the pro-restrictions supporters on this thread are now obsessed with scoring pedantry points over turns of phrase.

19-02-2021 01:28PM

growleaves wrote: »

He doesn't have any reasoning or justification. If the government were enforcing Level 3 he would be supporting Level 3 and writing '' at anyone who wanted Level 2 or Level 4.

'Debate' with conformist bots is a waste of time. Most of the pro-restrictions supporters on this thread are now obsessed with scoring pedantry points over turns of phrase.

Ah, I know he doesn't, as there isn't any to be made. Just wanted to hear if he'd attempt a reply.

normanoffside · 19-02-2021 01:29PM

Russman wrote: »

I thought he did a decent job countering some of her sh1te to be honest, especially re antigen testing, vitamin D etc.

Oh so don't use them in case they aren't 100% accurate or effective? That's just crazy not to use tools that will probably help just because we can't be 100% sure they will work. We do know they won't do any harm so why not try?

People need to question NPHET and their dithering. She was dead right to do so, Most journalist just play along and ask question based on their statistics with no critical questions.

Here is part of that questioning ref Contact tracing. Full of excuses and dithering from Dr Glynn.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1362505588433903617

Russman · 19-02-2021 01:42PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Oh so don't use them in case they aren't 100% accurate or effective? That's just crazy not to use tools that will probably help just because we can't be 100% sure they will work. We do know they won't do any harm so why not try?

People need to question NPHET and their dithering. She was dead right to do so, Most journalist just play along and ask question based on their statistics with no critical questions.

Here is part of that questioning ref Contact tracing. Full of excuses and dithering from Dr Glynn.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1362505588433903617

Well if I remember correctly he said that basically they've been looking at antigen tests since August and many of them, in real world settings, have fallen way short of what the manufacturers claim regarding accuracy. He also mentioned that we have a very good PCR testing capacity and many hospitals are opting for those tests anyway because they're a better test.

With regard to contact tracing, I totally agree they should have been going back as far as the incubation period for COVID, but what sort of a response was she expecting ? He's not going to throw his employer under the bus at a press conference. Its not like its a secret that the HSE was shambolic pre COVID.

statesaver · 19-02-2021 01:43PM

Parachutes wrote: »

How long until we give the two fingers to the government and the NPHET junta and just go back to living normally? All business owners just open up for business, we're not going to take this abuse anymore.

We are not French, unfortunately, we are a pacified people.

Pigeon Chaser · 19-02-2021 01:45PM

Nine more weeks... Casually mentioned to The Irish Mirror by our "leader" at 9pm on a Thursday..

I sincerely hope this is the turning point and people simply refuse to get tested..

fin12 · 19-02-2021 01:45PM

UsBus wrote: »

Happy Friday everyone,
Just a few more hours work then off on an 80km round trip to visit family.
Enough is enough.. Am done with this farce of a policy

And u will make it today with more than likely meeting no checkpoint cause it’s absolutely pissing = no checkpoints. Great day for traveling.

JMNolan · 19-02-2021 01:46PM

My son has a few buddies over today and he's heading off tonight for a house party. He's thrilled and I'm thrilled for him.

normanoffside · 19-02-2021 01:47PM

Russman wrote: »

Well if I remember correctly he said that basically they've been looking at antigen tests since August and many of them, in real world settings, have fallen way short of what the manufacturers claim regarding accuracy. He also mentioned that we have a very good PCR testing capacity and many hospitals are opting for those tests anyway because they're a better test.

Does it really matter if they are 40% effective or 99% effective?
They are supposed to be used where PCR testing is not usually required so any infection they catch is one which would have been missed.
This point seems to go over the head of NPHET and the HSE.

The fact that they have been 'studying' it since August says it all, that's why I used the term 'dithering'.

19-02-2021 01:51PM

thebaz wrote: »

A precedent has been set, any kind of bad flu from now on, will require lockdowns ior calls for lockdown by our new Nanny state masters.

This is an important point, btw, incase nobody picked up on it. Lockdowns have/will become normalized, in a way. I wonder if conditioning will result in people accepting it so easily next time 'round.

Hopefully we'll never get back to this point again, but it's something to be aware of.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings