Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 19-02-2021 12:14PM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

"The Great Reset is nothing but a conspiracy theory."

Also

"Now is a great time to change how we do things!"

Yeah. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

growleaves · 19-02-2021 12:14PM

walus wrote: »

You guys sound like a broken record. End this 'conspiracy theory' bs.

Do you really see everybody with different opinions to your own as a conspiracy theorist?
You need to understand that some of us, those more open minded see the world's affairs differently to what RTE proclaims they are.

The funny thing is that prior to literally a few months ago there was a general cultural distrust of Big Pharma. There are even mainstream novels and movies with Big Pharma villains.

But now Big Pharma and even trash newspapers (!) are covered by the "conspiracy theory" defense.

19-02-2021 12:16PM

Boggles wrote: »

If she is a legitimate business.

She's allowed to claim up to 5,000 a week on her 2019 turnover.

Plus she entitled to a raft of grants and loans.

Most people don't want to be sitting at home claiming off the state. They want to get on with their work and lives.

What we're saying is that after the elderly and medically vulnerable have been vaccinated, there is no justification or economic sense in continuing down this path.

19-02-2021 12:17PM

The best thing people can do is just not follow the restrictions. Use all the valid reasons available to break them.

That’s what I am doing. Technically, I am breaking no rules.

We’ve had over a year now to put actions in place to live with the virus. We just never bothered. Easier to just shut down and force poverty on the people. Pathetic

Penfailed · 19-02-2021 12:18PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The best thing people can do is just not follow the restrictions. Use all the valid reasons available to break them.

That’s what I am doing. Technically, I am breaking no rules.

We’ve had over a year now to put actions in place to live with the virus. We just never bothered. Easier to just shut down and force poverty on the people. Pathetic

Don't follow the restrictions by following them? Excellent logic.

thebaz · 19-02-2021 12:22PM

I blame the person that did the Tony Superman mural - the power literally went to his head - He suddenly assumed he had become the de-Facto unelected leader of our nation in his pusuit of zero Covid - nothing else matters, including other illnesses and the fragile mental health of our Nation - its all he and his colleagues ever suggest , we are very VERY concerned, 2 more months level 5 lockdown .
Nothing else matters.

19-02-2021 12:23PM

ypres5 wrote: »

the funny thing is if anyone had predicted what the government said last night a week ago they'd have been branded hysterical and a conspiracy theorist.

Was there a government announcement last night that I missed?

What I did see was an interview in which the expectation that tight restrictions may remain in place place until the end of April was poorly articulated.

MOH · 19-02-2021 12:24PM

Captain Pillowcase wrote: »

I emailed them today, also thought I would add Tony Holohan, Ronan Glynn and few other in the CMO office to it also.

I was looking into some articles for reference to back up what I was putting in the email and I came across this little nugget.

On the travel restrictions, Martin said “there is no remaining serious justification for the 5 kilometre limit”.

“The public health concern is how people behave around others – not how far they are from their home. In fact, the research shows that this limit may in fact be forcing people in urban areas into more crowded situations.” * Edit: see another poster has linked this above as well!!!

The thought of facing another 9 weeks of this drudgery is depressing.

Nice find, that's priceless. I needed a (grim) laugh.

Martin raised concerns about retailers, and why some are open and others are not.

“Equally the current distinctions between different types of shop are at best arbitrary. Supermarkets have been open throughout the pandemic while implementing measures about distancing and hygiene. The figures on community spread suggest that the supermarkets have not played a role in spreading the virus – where the overwhelming issue is clustering in health facilities, nursing homes and some workplaces like meat factories,” he said.

Hard to believe a man who thinks socks are unneccessary once said that.
Also apparently a big proponent of properly educating people and changing their mindset, instead of pithy one-liners.
The overriding need now is to move to a situation where the focus is put on showing people how to behave once most activity is restored, said Martin.
“We don’t need empty feel-good advertising with a single photo and a hashtag – we need a simple public education campaign,” he told the Taoiseach.

Slight change of tune there.

#HoldFirm there, Micheal.

Pitch n Putt · 19-02-2021 12:25PM

RobitTV wrote: »

The level of anger and frustration on the radio today is quite something. My local station is getting calls from anxious parents who are worried about the mental health of their children. Many of the kids are no longer motivated and some have been crying and staying in bed all day. They have no motivation for learning at home anymore and they miss seeing friends and playing outside like normal children.

The radio station was bombarded with texts agreeing with the desperate parents and showing sympathy with them. Mental health is collapsing in this country for many young and isolated people.

Another 9 weeks and then we are told 'maybe' things can improve by then. The same old PR spin.

There is too much focus on covid cases all the time. People need to step back from the cliff edge and stop worrying over the amount of cases each and every day that they see broadcast on the television.

Get the daily reporting/ breaking news sensationalist reporting off the tv immediately.
Weekly report more than enough at this stage.
No more NPHET press conferences get the celebrity doctors into their proper role of advising the government and away from thinking the run the show.

We must have the greatest over reaction worldwide to the whole pandemic

ypres5 · 19-02-2021 12:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was there a government announcement last night that I missed?

What I did see was an interview in which the expectation that tight restrictions may remain in place place until the end of April was poorly articulated.

considering that every second word out of the government's mouth is conservative and cautious for some reason i don't imagine they're going to start opening up like mad out of nowhere. that's just fantasy at this stage

Whatsisname · 19-02-2021 12:26PM

Evil Sweden are looking to strengthen laws on academic freedom after one scientist who went against the status quo got abused by the hysterical mass of social media.

Jonas F Ludvigsson, a paediatrician at Örebro University Hospital and professor of clinical epidemiology at the Karolinska Institute, published a research letter online in the New England Journal of Medicine on 6 January presenting data which showed that relatively few children in Sweden became ill from covid-19 during the first wave of the pandemic. Sweden was one of the few countries to keep schools and preschools open during spring 2020, so the data were among the first collected on the risks to children.

The study found that, from 1 March to 30 June 2020, 15 children aged 1-16 in Sweden were treated in an intensive care unit for covid-19 or for multi-inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C), which has been linked to covid-19.

Ludvigsson said at the time, “That is the equivalent of 0.77 intensive care patients per 100 000 children in that age group. Four of the children had underlying diseases. None of the children died within two months after their period of intensive care.”

The experience has taken its toll on Ludvigsson. He told the journal of the Swedish Medical Association (Lakartidningen) that for a week he woke up at 3 am every night and could not get back to sleep and that he had now lost his “appetite for covid-19—both when it comes to speaking out and researching.”4 He has decided to quit researching and debating covid-19.

He is trying to put the experience behind him and has said that he will not talk to the media about what happened. However, he told The BMJ that, although the findings were published in a research letter, this was “an actual study” that underwent formal external peer review, including statistical peer review, and the manuscript was revised four times before it was published.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n489

These right wing extremists and not following science smh. :rolleyes:

ShyMets · 19-02-2021 12:27PM

Just Hold firm. Two more weeks. Put on the Green jersey. Stay safe. In this together. Stay at Home.

Think I've covered of most of the clichés

Hellrazer · 19-02-2021 12:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The best thing people can do is just not follow the restrictions. Use all the valid reasons available to break them.

That’s what I am doing. Technically, I am breaking no rules.

**** that - I just dont bother with them at all now - I dont even try to bend them.

Ill wear a mask in shops,sanitise ,keep my distance etc but thats as far as Im willing to take it - last weekend was my daughters birthday - had 6 people over for drinks, I travel outside my 5k most weekends - tomorrow Im attending a funeral for an uncle that died this week thats allowing more than 10 inside. Probably go somewhere for tea/ sandwiches after it.

Nope - Im finished with restrictions for good.

Boggles · 19-02-2021 12:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Most people don't want to be sitting at home claiming off the state. They want to get on with their work and lives.

What we're saying is that after the elderly and medically vulnerable have been vaccinated, there is no justification or economic sense in continuing down this path.

What do you mean "we're saying"?

You are responsible for your own opinion and just because you can see a reasoning behind it, that doesn't mean their isn't.

But the "elderly and medically vulnerable", define them and put on a number on it?

growleaves · 19-02-2021 12:30PM

I'm starting a new holding company.

I've decided to call it the Hold Firm Holding Firm

RGS · 19-02-2021 12:31PM

ShyMets wrote: »

Just Hold firm. Two more weeks. Put on the Green jersey. Stay safe. In this together. Stay at Home.

Think I've covered of most of the clichés

you missed:

We are getting the vaccines into arms.
Vaccines are one part of the response.

We know its tough for people.

We are all in this together.

Multipass · 19-02-2021 12:33PM

Given that one of the main threats to the hospitals was lack of staff due to sickness or self isolating, the fact that they are now vaccinated should have a huge effect on the ability to cope. We should be starting to open right now. Cocoon the elderly that are still waiting for vaccination, and for gods sake try to get any vaccine to them before they die of old age. Enough is enough.

muddypuppy · 19-02-2021 12:34PM

thebaz wrote: »

I blame the person that did the Tony Superman mural - the power literally went to his head - He suddenly assumed he had become the de-Facto unelected leader of our nation in his pusuit of zero Covid - nothing else matters, including other illnesses and the fragile mental health of our Nation - its all he and his colleagues ever suggest , we are very VERY concerned, 2 more months level 5 lockdown .
Nothing else matters.

He doesn't seem to want to pursuit Zero Covid - Just low numbers so we can't reopen but not zero covid so we can't reopen either. He somehow manages to piss off both sides of the debate.

I honestly still think that Tony doesn't have any secret agendas (well he's not a fan of alcohol/pubs, for sure) but I think the problem is more generalized. NPHET role is to advise only on covid-related manner without having to think about anything else (economy/mental health) so their advise is basically "lock everything but school down" (even more so since Tony replace Glynn) but the gov who should see the bigger picture doesn't and just follow whatever NPHET says because every time they diverge cases start to go up (which of course do) they are grilled to death by the media.

Bigfatmichael · 19-02-2021 12:36PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

**** that - I just dont bother with them at all now - I dont even try to bend them.

Ill wear a mask in shops,sanitise ,keep my distance etc but thats as far as Im willing to take it - last weekend was my daughters birthday - had 6 people over for drinks, I travel outside my 5k most weekends - tomorrow Im attending a funeral for an uncle that died this week thats allowing more than 10 inside. Probably go somewhere for tea/ sandwiches after it.

Nope - Im finished with restrictions for good.

One of my friends has two lidil bags on the back seat filled with cheap non perishing foods. Got stopped a few times and says he's delivering to an elderly relation. Gaurds just wave him on.

Handy way of not been made turn back.

TomSweeney · 19-02-2021 12:36PM

RobitTV wrote: »

UK: Government 'increasingly positive' that Brits will be able to have a foreign break this year amid hopes vaccine passport will make international travel 'straightforward'

Ministers are 'increasingly positive' that foreign summer holidays will be possible this year amid hopes vaccine passports will soon make international travel 'straightforward'.

There is said to be growing optimism in Whitehall that trips abroad will be allowed in the coming months.

It is thought some countries could require proof of vaccination as a condition for quarantine-free travel in the future.

Untill of course they say "NEW VARIANTS"

So we could have a situation where we are all vacinated and still need to quarantine/get PCR tested with travel.

utter non ending madness...

Knex* · 19-02-2021 12:37PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Donnelly on newstalk suggesting we can’t open construction because people will want to play golf

There’s the science we are following

Regardless of what side of the fence you sit on, I think we can all agree that this is horrendously weak minded.

19-02-2021 12:41PM

Boggles wrote: »

What do you mean "we're saying"? You are responsible for your own opinion and just because you can see a reasoning behind it, that doesn't mean their isn't.

But the "elderly and medically vulnerable", define them and put on a number on it?

By "we", I evidently mean the majority of this thread, and presumably at this stage, the majority of the country who can objectively view the situation based on statistics, not emotion.

CSO: The average age of people dying from Covid is 83, the same as that for all deaths.
Most also had underlying conditions.

Please explain your reasoning why we should continue with level 5 restrictions and lockdowns after the elderly and medically vulnerable have been vaccinated. Economic justification would also be appreciated.

pm1977x · 19-02-2021 12:44PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Cheers as Madrid bars can stay open until 11pm Link

From today in Madrid, bars and restaurants will be allowed to stay open until 11pm. There are some restrictions but not many, four people to a table inside and six outside on the terrace. The curfew has also been put back until 11pm. Last orders at 10pm.

I can only imagine the explosion of rage, vitriol, claims of 'police state' etc had we ever been under a nationwide curfew due to Covid so cherry picking the positive out of the situation is disingenuous.

Multipass · 19-02-2021 12:45PM

pm1977x wrote: »

I can only imagine the explosion of rage, vitriol, claims of 'police state' etc had we ever been under a nationwide curfew due to Covid so cherry picking the positive out of the situation is disingenuous.

What difference would a curfew make when nothing is open?

Golfman64 · 19-02-2021 12:46PM

RobitTV wrote: »

UK: Government 'increasingly positive' that Brits will be able to have a foreign break this year amid hopes vaccine passport will make international travel 'straightforward'

Ministers are 'increasingly positive' that foreign summer holidays will be possible this year amid hopes vaccine passports will soon make international travel 'straightforward'.

There is said to be growing optimism in Whitehall that trips abroad will be allowed in the coming months.

It is thought some countries could require proof of vaccination as a condition for quarantine-free travel in the future.

When this happens, and it will, the level of anger in Ireland at our insular, backward thinking incompetent government will reach a fever pitch we may never have seen before. I’m part looking forward to watching it unfold and partly depressed at how we are stuck in this situation and in a place where we are fined and criminalised if we leave our own country to avail of a better governed and more prosperous land!!!

thebaz · 19-02-2021 12:47PM

RGS wrote: »

We are all in this together.

Worked a year ago - we are seeing no real leadership, no plan for living with Covid , no dynamic vaccination program , just NPHET never-ending over cautious cliches -
And one year later we have literally forgotten how to live. We should be able to vaccinate the vulnerable in the next 2 months, and let those who want to start living , do so , those who are still afraid can stay at home.
A precedent has been set, any kind of bad flu from now on, will require lockdowns ior calls for lockdown by our new Nanny state masters.

batman_oh · 19-02-2021 12:47PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

There are some people who will lose the plot no matter what action is taken. For the vast majority, a curfew would be significantly better than 5km restrictions and nearly everything closed.

It's not even a comparison - at least with the curfew you are allowed meet other people and actually live a little. Walking 5km on your own for months is far worse.

RobitTV · 19-02-2021 12:47PM

pm1977x wrote: »

I can only imagine the explosion of rage, vitriol, claims of 'police state' etc had we ever been under a nationwide curfew due to Covid so cherry picking the positive out of the situation is disingenuous.

I'd have to disagree. You cannot please everyone, but many people would suffer through a night curfew to have the 5km travel limit removed and maybe with some shops open.

growleaves · 19-02-2021 12:48PM

pm1977x wrote: »

I can only imagine the explosion of rage, vitriol, claims of 'police state' etc had we ever been under a nationwide curfew due to Covid so cherry picking the positive out of the situation is disingenuous.

Yes because curfews are usually placed on conquered countries.

The curfew in France from 1940 to 1942. The Allied curfew on Germany from 1945 to 1946.

pm1977x · 19-02-2021 12:48PM

Multipass wrote: »

What difference would a curfew make when nothing is open?

I'd have no issue with a curfew, as you say not much you can be doing anyway, but the die-hards on here would lose their minds.

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