Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

Mrsmum · 18-02-2021 07:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I just want to clarify on my post this morning about resolving issues as kids by "tearing the hair off each other". This was very much a tongue in cheek (supposed to be humorous ) comment. I am 59 and was reared in the 60's and 70's in a family of 7 kids! My parents were brilliant and we were very well brought up, all going to convents and colleges. We had a loving and nurturing home environment. The main lesson we learnt from our parents was respect for others.

But my parents were not supervising us every minute of the day and there were always rows about toys and who won what game!!
I consider our way of growing up and learning how to resolve issues as fun and healthy. It did none of us any harm. We all grew into healthy well balanced adults and to this day we all get along famously! Some of us went on to boarding schools, some didn't. Believe it or not we were quite able to form friendships and relationships and become very successful in our jobs.

There was absolutely nothing toxic about my childhood and its bizarre that someone I don't know could make that judgement about me or my family.

Things were different then, kids were far more resilient and less pampered. When you grow up with 7 kids in a family you're not going to get 1-2-1 attention from your parents all the time. We learnt a lot from each other, the older ones teaching the younger ones. To this day we laugh about our childhood ways and our childhood fights!
We have all become great parents ourselves, even if I say so myself.

Sorry for going way off topic. This was my first post on this thread and I just wanted to clarify what I meant in my post.

Don't worry. I think most people understood exactly what you were saying.

penny piper · 18-02-2021 07:13PM

Really don't think schools should be opened until after Easter...901 new cases today and 47 deaths...and the HSE advising very high transmissions rate mainly due to uk varient....

Midnight Sundance · 18-02-2021 07:25PM

penny piper wrote: »

Really don't think schools should be opened until after Easter...901 new cases today and 47 deaths...and the HSE advising very high transmissions rate mainly due to uk varient....

Also completely contradictory information coming from the govt. MM saying we going back march 1st. Leo saying it might not happen that early with numbers the way they are. I really wish they would make up their mind. Schools have to prepare for the children coming back and need some sort of notice!

Locotastic · 18-02-2021 07:39PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Most schools in Ireland are multi grade

Most?

hesaidshesaid · 18-02-2021 07:39PM

Just curious to know if the non-teacher parents on here find the teachers' insights into the workings of schools and the impact of DES decision making (or lack of) useful? Have you learned things about how schools work nowadays that you didn't know before you joined the thread?

PowerToWait · 18-02-2021 07:47PM

penny piper wrote: »

Really don't think schools should be opened until after Easter...901 new cases today and 47 deaths...and the HSE advising very high transmissions rate mainly due to uk varient....

Giving dates is nonsense. It should be something along the lines of when case numbers are below 200 for a week (just an illustrative example) then we will stagger the return of students.

As we have seen over the last few weeks, case numbers swing wildly. Saying “on X date schools will open, no matter what” is just giving people free rein to do what they want and encourages non-compliance with recommendations.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 18-02-2021 08:09PM

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

Just curious to know if the non-teacher parents on here find the teachers' insights into the workings of schools and the impact of DES decision making (or lack of) useful? Have you learned things about how schools work nowadays that you didn't know before you joined the thread?

Jesus, don't anyone take this thread as a sign of anything

mcsean2163 · 18-02-2021 08:19PM

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

Just curious to know if the non-teacher parents on here find the teachers' insights into the workings of schools and the impact of DES decision making (or lack of) useful? Have you learned things about how schools work nowadays that you didn't know before you joined the thread?

I have found the teachers in schools to be brilliant, caring and dedicated professionals but have learnt about the really important aspects of teaching since coming here.

I have learned that the department of education and skills have caused all the ills that have beset the schools, unions act independently of their members and teachers have no responsibility for how their schools are run.

I have also learnt that parents are ignorant buffoons that should never depend on schools to mind their children and should end their careers to facilitate a blended learning approach that best suits their superiors, (teachers).

wirelessdude01 · 18-02-2021 08:23PM

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

Just curious to know if the non-teacher parents on here find the teachers' insights into the workings of schools and the impact of DES decision making (or lack of) useful? Have you learned things about how schools work nowadays that you didn't know before you joined the thread?

Can of worms.

downthemiddle · 18-02-2021 08:25PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

I have found the teachers in schools to be brilliant, caring and dedicated professionals but have learnt about the really important aspects of teaching since coming here.

I have learned that the department of education and skills have caused all the ills that have beset the schools, unions act independently of their members and teachers have no responsibility for how their schools are run.

I have also learnt that parents are ignorant buffoons that should never depend on schools to mind their children and should end their careers to facilitate a blended learning approach that best suits their superiors, (teachers).

I have found sweeping generalisations do not reflect well on people.

mcsean2163 · 18-02-2021 08:32PM

JP100 wrote: »

It's undeniably tough for people presently but I just think what some of the generations who came before us had to go through was extremely harrowing. Take for instance, the example of the young men (of which Ireland had numerous) who pretty much lived in trenches during World War 1 - the dire conditions they lived in, the rampant diseases that spread uncontrollablly through people in the trenches, horrible diseases such as trench foot etc and when they did leave the trenches to try to gain the tiniest piece of ground on the enemy those young men often married with young kids at home were inevitably charging to their deaths. Being a young man in 1914 with conscription on the cards and just a downright desperation for a wage was/is a hell of alot harder than being a young man in 2021 living through a pandemic in which all he is been asked to do is stay at home as much as possible and limit contacts. That is not to say that the isolation is not tough for people but I just think some perspective is needed in all of this.

As an aside, I suggest all young people in particular should visit the World War 1 museum in Ballyjamesduff where they've actually built and recreated WW1 trenches. It's a real eye opener as to what people went through during those times and a brilliant educational day out for both adults and kids alike. So, well worth a visit!

I can't think of a generation that has been actively encouraged not to live, to stay away from people. The people fighting were doing, living, trying. I think what they were doing was awful but still they were fighting to stay alive and for their comrades.

I am fearful for the effects that applauding young children for denying their nature to hug and play by staying 2m away and not mixing will have on them in the long term. I hope they'll bounce back but what do you say to a 4 year old child locked outside their grandmother's back garden when they just want to go in? Or and this actually happened a grown adult jumping away in fright as they were approached by a 4 year old? The first lockdown was the worst for us but I know there are a lot of children suffering badly now.

Fighting to live is a life skill.

Hiding away and staying socially distant is a disease.

hesaidshesaid · 18-02-2021 09:00PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Can of worms.

So many of them here. Might as well open one I'm interested in.

Icyseanfitz · 18-02-2021 09:44PM

Wow, according to the HSE 37 children under the age of 12 have been hospitalised in the last 2 weeks.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/37-children-under-the-age-of-12-hospitalised-with-covid-over-past-fortnight-40106003.html

18-02-2021 09:58PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Wow, according to the HSE 37 children under the age of 12 have been hospitalised in the last 2 weeks.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/37-children-under-the-age-of-12-hospitalised-with-covid-over-past-fortnight-40106003.html

The fact that these children were actually hospitalised. That's rather frightening.

Hopefully they get well soon.

JP100 · 18-02-2021 10:02PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

I can't think of a generation that has been actively encouraged not to live, to stay away from people. The people fighting were doing, living, trying. I think what they were doing was awful but still they were fighting to stay alive and for their comrades.

I am fearful for the effects that applauding young children for denying their nature to hug and play by staying 2m away and not mixing will have on them in the long term. I hope they'll bounce back but what do you say to a 4 year old child locked outside their grandmother's back garden when they just want to go in? Or and this actually happened a grown adult jumping away in fright as they were approached by a 4 year old? The first lockdown was the worst for us but I know there are a lot of children suffering badly now.

Fighting to live is a life skill.

Hiding away and staying socially distant is a disease.

You do not have a monopoly on concern for the welfare of children, so quit pretending you do so.

JP100 · 18-02-2021 10:09PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Wow, according to the HSE 37 children under the age of 12 have been hospitalised in the last 2 weeks.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/37-children-under-the-age-of-12-hospitalised-with-covid-over-past-fortnight-40106003.html

The above instances really ram home the fact that while a child catching up on their education is important, it is nowhere near as important as the health of the child. This latter statement should be very obvious to most people but seemingly not to a cohort of posters in this thread.

18-02-2021 10:26PM

JP100 wrote: »

The above instances really ram home the fact that while a child catching up on their education is important, it is nowhere near as important as the health of the child. This latter statement should be very obvious to most people but seemingly not to a cohort of posters in this thread.

Children are hospitalised with viruses every year. Children are far less likely to be hospitalised with this virus than adults.

And the rates of hospitalisation for kids appears to be less than flu

https://www.statista.com/statistics/982044/rate-of-influenza-cases-hospitalized-in-ireland-by-age/

Parents are eminently familiar with the risks of respiratory infections in young children especially. And are thankful that as bad as this virus is the threat to those children is lower with the virus.

What they are not is a “cohort”

JP100 · 18-02-2021 10:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Children are hospitalised with viruses every year. Children are far less likely to be hospitalised with this virus than adults.

And the rates of hospitalisation for kids appears to be less than flu

https://www.statista.com/statistics/982044/rate-of-influenza-cases-hospitalized-in-ireland-by-age/

Parents are eminently familiar with the risks of respiratory infections in young children especially. And are thankful that as bad as this virus is the threat to those children is lower with the virus.

What they are not is a “cohort”

Going by the dismissive tone of your post, I can take it you are not a parent of one of the 37 children under 12 hospitalised with Covid in the past fortnight. As long as you're ok, you're grand so, go you!!!

Dickie10 · 18-02-2021 10:40PM

i think plans should be put in place to go back in phases but surely after the first cohort back we will have to wait 3 weeks to seee the results of that? some media outlets make it sound like each year group after the next only seperated by a week. theres absolutley no need for 1st-3rd years back in a school premises until cases are under 200/day , whenever that is. 5th and 6th back when numbers get down to 200-400 /day. that wont be march 1st. why on earth did they not bump teachers up in vaccination? thats the easiest path back to school.

km79 · 18-02-2021 10:41PM

http://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1362505506481446925

The wait goes on
Latest leak is that it will be ONLy infants and leaving certs coming back Monday week
Im beginning to wonder if some students will be back at all this year now tbh

km79 · 18-02-2021 10:47PM

Expect more conflicting leaks

http://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362518621600296962

mcsean2163 · 18-02-2021 10:48PM

JP100 wrote: »

The above instances really ram home the fact that while a child catching up on their education is important, it is nowhere near as important as the health of the child. This latter statement should be very obvious to most people but seemingly not to a cohort of posters in this thread.

None in ICU thank goodness and hope all will have a swift recovery.

Lisha · 18-02-2021 11:09PM

km79 wrote: »

http://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1362505506481446925

The wait goes on
Latest leak is that it will be ONLy infants and leaving certs coming back Monday week
Im beginning to wonder if some students will be back at all this year now tbh

I’ve one child in 4thclass and another in first year. I strongly suspect that they won’t see school until September. They are tipping away with school work and luckily they are doing ok academically. But socially it’s very hard on them.
(I’m not teacher bashing at all. I don’t blame them for fearing the risks. If there is a case in a classroom then all should be treated as close contacts and tested. Not 2/3 around the case. If there are several cases in school then shut the school to break the transmission links)

km79 · 18-02-2021 11:16PM

Lisha wrote: »

I’ve one child in 4thclass and another in first year. I strongly suspect that they won’t see school until September. They are tipping away with school work and luckily they are doing ok academically. But socially it’s very hard on them.
(I’m not teacher bashing at all. I don’t blame them for fearing the risks. If there is a case in a classroom then all should be treated as close contacts and tested. Not 2/3 around the case. If there are several cases in school then shut the school to break the transmission links)

My youngest is also in 4th class
He is regressing a little socially of that there is no doubt . Academically it’s fine .
But number one for me is he is safe. If it’s another few months in his life so be it . The evenings will doo be getting longer . We can go for country walks well within our 5km.
It’s not ideal. Far from it. But it’s a global pandemic. Once in a lifetime hopefully .

I am keeping hopeful that if we hang in there and avoid catching the virus until summer then the vaccine rollout will have reached a stage where it is much safer .
If that was to get delayed further then mentally it starts getting very tough

km79 · 18-02-2021 11:18PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

None in ICU thank goodness and hope all will have a swift recovery.

If they are in hospital they are on oxygen more than likely .
If they are on oxygen it’s a long road for recovery .
I can tell you that from a friends recent experience . Still not recovered after two months.

am_zarathustra · 18-02-2021 11:21PM

As older people and the vunerable are vaccinated I think we will see more improvements. If we can keep hospitalisations down then we can sustain a couple of hundred cases a day and get schools open provided the current measures protect against the Kent varient. A couple of weeks with low numbers would be a good way to start feeling this out.

The numbers from Israel just look brilliant. Really gives a bit of needed hope.

Sonny678 · 19-02-2021 12:07AM

Does anyone know if 5th year secondary school students are proposed to go back with 6th year leaving cert students on 1st March. Is it just leaving cert 6th year secondary students and junior and senior infants in primary school proposed to go back 1st March, Are 5th year secondary school students also going back the 1st March.

wirelessdude01 · 19-02-2021 12:10AM

Sonny678 wrote: »

Does anyone know if 5th year secondary school students are proposed to go back with 6th year leaving cert students on 1st March. Is it just leaving cert 6th year secondary students and junior and senior infants in primary school proposed to go back 1st March, Are 5th year secondary school students also going back the 1st March.

No one knows.

km79 · 19-02-2021 12:15AM

Sonny678 wrote: »

Does anyone know if 5th year secondary school students are proposed to go back with 6th year leaving cert students on 1st March. Is it just leaving cert 6th year secondary students and junior and senior infants in primary school proposed to go back 1st March, Are 5th year secondary school students also going back the 1st March.

Indo saying L Cert only 1st March followed by 5tj years only before Easter
Irish times saying similar but also J Certs to join fifth years

So you can be safe to assume it’s LC only March 1st and a lot won’t return until after Easter if they do at all ......

Locotastic · 19-02-2021 01:35AM

km79 wrote: »

If they are in hospital they are on oxygen more than likely .
If they are on oxygen it’s a long road for recovery .
I can tell you that from a friends recent experience . Still not recovered after two months.

You don't know that, there are viruses that hospitalise children every year. RSV being one that most parents will have experience of.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/surgeries-cancelled-in-three-childrens-hospitals-due-to-surge-in-respiratory-illness-38725189.html

Unfortunately children are hospitalised every year with flu or other respiratory illnesses. It doesn't necessarily mean they are all on oxygen, that's jumping to conclusions.

What's worrying is the large number over a short space of time while we are in apparent lockdown.

Hopefully they recover quickly.

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