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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    People need to wise the **** up and stop going for tests, it's the only quick way to put an end to these absurd restrictions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    This is thrown around a fair bit, but the opposition party are on board with the restrictions. Some are arguing for a zero Covid approach which would result in harsher restrictions.

    Yeah, looking at who those opposition parties are means we should do the exact opposite of anything they are recommending.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are you claiming other EU states are introducing hotel quarantine? They’re not. Are you claiming our hysterical approach has been mirrored across the EU and US? It hasn’t.
    The US might have used Covid as a political tool to remove Trump from office but from first hand accounts on the ground - as long as you’ve a mask on, you’re free do do what you please in the US. Not the same as here.

    Why are Ryanair transferring a lot of their flights to Eastern Europe to sun destinations for this summer? Oh yes that’s right, they’re planning on reopening flight corridors come summer! Meanwhile we’ll wallow in misery and the unachievable zero Covid dream New Zealand keep feeding us. Best of luck with that.
    Travel to Germany from Ireland

    As of Saturday 30 January 2021, no passengers may travel from Ireland to Germany, with the exception of those transiting through a German airport, German citizens, those already legally resident in Germany or those travelling for urgent humanitarian or medical reasons. Passengers who fall into these categories should be able to present documentary proof to the air carrier and the German authorities. Due to a new obligation on airlines to provide three days’ notice of flights, changes to flights may be expected at short notice.

    These restrictions apply to passengers travelling from any country that the German authorities designate as a “Virus Variation Area”. Please see this link for a full list of relevant countries.

    In addition, any passengers that do travel from Ireland to Germany must present a negative COVID-19 test result on arrival. If travelling by air, you are required to present a negative test result before boarding your flight. The test must have been carried out no less than 48 hours before arrival in Germany. Transiting passengers must also have a negative test result.

    PCR, LAMP and antigen tests are accepted. Antigen tests must meet the WHO standard, which means ≥80% sensitivity und ≥97% specificity. More information on types of acceptable tests are available here. Children aged five and under are exempt from the test requirement.

    Passengers arriving in Germany from Ireland are also subject to quarantine, with very limited exemptions, even with a negative COVID-19 test, and must register their details before arrival in Germany at the following link: https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de/#/

    Quarantine regulations vary in each of Germany’s 16 Federal States, and some exceptions to the need to quarantine are available. In general, passengers are required to quarantine for ten to 14 days and it may be possible to take a test on day five, which, if negative, releases them from further quarantine. Some German states, including Berlin, do not allow arrivals from virus variation areas (which includes Ireland) to shorten their quarantine. For detailed information, check with the local health authority of the area where you are staying.

    Germany’s lockdown is currently expected to last, until 7 March 2021. During this time, all non-essential shops are closed, as are museums, cinemas and theatres. Restaurants, bars and cafés can only sell for take-away or delivery. Households may only meet with one other person from a different household. It is compulsory to wear FFP2 or “medical” standard masks in shops, public transport and workplaces. For full information on the restrictions in each of Germany’s 16 States, please contact the local authorities.
    1. All passengers arriving from Ireland into Portugal will be required to

    • Have a negative / ‘not detected’ result from a pre-departure COVID-19 RT-PCR test taken within 72 hours prior to arrival in Portugal.

    • Present evidence of their negative/‘not detected’ result before boarding their flight and to Portuguese Immigration Officers on arrival at points of entry into Portugal.

    • Quarantine for 14 days following arrival into Portugal at their home in Portugal or in a facility indicated by the Portuguese health authorities.

    An exception from this 14-day quarantine requirement is permitted, for those who are travelling for essential purposes and in possession of certified evidence [i.e., return ticket] that their stay will not exceed 48 hours.

    2. Ban on Portuguese citizens travelling outside mainland Portugal by road, rail, air, river or sea, except for specified essential travel purposes, namely:

    a) Travel to perform professional activities or similar, duly documented, within the scope of activities with an international dimension;

    b) Travel for the purpose of leaving the continental territory by Portuguese citizens residing in other countries:

    c) Exceptional travel for the purpose of family reunion of spouses and immediate family members.

    d) Travel by aircraft, vessels or vehicles of the State or the Armed Forces

    e) Journeys for the transport of cargo and mail

    f) Journeys for humanitarian or medical emergency purposes, as well as for the purpose of access to health care facilities under bilateral health care agreements

    g) Technical stopovers for non-commercial purposes

    h) Journeys for the international transport of goods, the transport of cross-border workers and seasonal workers with documented evidence of employment relationship, the movement of emergency and rescue vehicles and emergency services

    i) Journeys by diplomatic staff based in Portugal in the exercise of their functions

    j) Travel to the Autonomous Regions of the Azores and Madeira.
    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    When the numbers start approaching 100 this will not be possible.

    I agree with your sentiment, but...

    Every level of restrictions has a plateau. Even level 5. I dont think we will see numbers that low again. And if we do its because of seasonality or vaccinations or whatever but not because of extended lockdowns.

    And then there is simple fatigue. I think we've already reached the point or are very close to it where lockdown reaches the point of diminishing returns. There is only so much lockdown you can do before people take things into their own hands. People are begiining to just have enough. I know I do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    fran38 wrote: »
    We tend to say that on the run up to each election. But guess what......

    Take a look at what has happened the three main parties over the last 10 years...who'd have thought we'd see FF and Fg in Government and they still needed a third party.

    We don't protest at all in this country, but we can be ruthless in the ballot box.

    There will be a surge of Independents running next time as communities, towns and cities will be seeing the devastation these lockdowns have created right in front of them, from family members with Cancer/Heart disease, to developmental issues in children, to social isolation of the elderly, not to mention the damage to retail and hospitality, major employers in most towns.

    This will finish FF off as a serious Political Party.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭C__MC


    The amount of livelihoods and businesses destroyed in 2-3 years will be utterly devastating ,
    Irish public have no idea what’s coming down the line.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Are you claiming other EU states are introducing hotel quarantine? They’re not. Are you claiming our hysterical approach has been mirrored across the EU and US? It hasn’t.

    I don't think there was any ambiguity around my post.

    Many European countries have restrictions on movement.

    We also went very rapidly into some of the highest numbers in the EU, a strong response was entirely appropriate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    wcooba wrote: »
    I'm an expat living here for over 15 years. I used to love this country despite it's flaws but in the last year it became very unattractive place to be. Yes, there are restrictions in other places too - but I can't recall another EU country where people are effectively under house arrest for 10 months or so. I can't recall another EU state effectively prosecuting for attempt of leaving the country.
    What's even worse - this zero life policy is widely supported by the society. Just to be clear - I'm not covid denier. Responses and measures should be proportionate and balanced though.

    I understand, I’m acutely aware of many in your situation including nurses and doctors. Covid and ‘Zero Covid’ has become radicalised online. It has brought out a return to parish pump politics like never before, it has inspired people to ring Gardai on neighbours if they dare to accept even someone calling to the front door to deliver a gift. It is insanity of the highest order and don’t forget the emotional abuse you’ll be subject to if you dare ignore NPHET’s weekly dose of misery porn.
    Speaking of, anyone notice if any of the authorities are questioned on what their long term strategy is or given any hard questions, they’re told to sanitise their hands, wear a mask and shut up basically.


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zero Covid is swivel eyed loon stuff...it would involve us all locking ourselves in our bedrooms for 23 hours a day for 6 weeks...for a virus that will return next winter.

    Is there a medical expert out there who believes we have eradicated Influenza because we didn't get a flu season this year?

    20 years of influenza reports here
    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/previousinfluenzaseasonssurveillancereports/

    Have a look and find another year with zero confirmed cases of flu.

    It not eradicated, it’s suppressed by the same measures that are trying to control Covid. Tell yourself it’s that we didn’t have a flu season this year by chance if that makes you happy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    C__MC wrote: »
    The amount of livelihoods and businesses destroyed in 2-3 years will be utterly devastating ,
    Irish public have no idea what’s coming down the line.

    They really can't see it, they don't recognize that it is poor leadership pure and simple that has got us here....we never needed to go as strict as we did.

    I listened to Varadkar for 5 mins last night, he was salivating at the fact that Irish people are saving money at huge rates, he thinks that money will be spent in the Irish economy or that the industries these policies have devastated will just go back to the way they were in March of last year....it is delusional!!!

    How are we going to pay for the surge in health services required to deal with the damage we are doing to the health of the nation for a start?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Graham wrote: »
    I don't think there was any ambiguity around my post.

    Many European countries have restrictions on movement.

    We also went very rapidly into some of the highest numbers in the EU, a strong response was entirely appropriate.


    So quote me those countries that are currently vilifying travel within the EU to the extent that Ireland is? And what other EU countries have introduced mandatory quarantine?


  • Posts: 50 ✭✭ Cadence Easy Shortbread


    wcooba wrote: »
    Yes, there are restrictions in other places too - but I can't recall another EU country where people are effectively under house arrest for 10 months or so. I can't recall another EU state effectively prosecuting for attempt of leaving the country.

    That “effectively” is doing a lot of heavy lifting given I can leave my house at any time of the day or night and go wherever I want either on foot or on public transport. I see people without masks in supermarkets and on the Luas and guess what? Nothing happens. I am not sure why you are trying to paint a picture of some dystopian nightmare, but the reality is it’s clearly not. As an example, I went to Greece and France in the past 10 months; no issues, no tests, no one tried to stop me. Not exactly “house arrest.”


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So quote me those countries that are currently vilifying travel within the EU to the extent that Ireland is? And what other EU countries have introduced mandatory quarantine?

    Portugal for one. If I had an hour to go through the guidance in each country I would come back with a list. But I don’t so I won’t. I did give a link a few pages back however


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner



    It not eradicated, it’s suppressed by the same measures that are trying to control Covid. Tell yourself it’s that we didn’t have a flu season this year by chance if that makes you happy

    Correct, the flu is not eradicated, it will be back.

    Covid is the same, it can't be eradicated, it will be back.

    Zero Covid is pure anti science!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    A strong response was appropriate, absolutely. At this point though we've been under level 5 restrictions for 6 weeks. We were told when first going into lockdown last year that people could only take those restrictions for a short period of time. The restrictions at the moment aren't quite as harsh, but there's still going to be a point where people reach their limit.

    They are reaching it now .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    I agree with your sentiment, but...

    Every level of restrictions has a plateau. Even level 5. I dont think we will see numbers that low again. And if we do its because of seasonality or vaccinations or whatever but not because of extended lockdowns.

    And then there is simple fatigue. I think we've already reached the point or are very close to it where lockdown reaches the point of diminishing returns. There is only so much lockdown you can do before people take things into their own hands. People are begiining to just have enough. I know I do.

    Have to agree with this. Definitely noting a change in attitudes in my area lately, specifically the last couple of weeks. In my workplace, I feel the majority now have had enough, trying to get by and pay the bills whilst on overbearing pay cuts while their partners may have lost their jobs either permanently or until the government decides they can open up again. I feel that people are somewhat willing to put up with social distancing to a point and masks, but their appetite for most other restrictions is dwindling fast. It feels never-ending tbh, and I really do fear that the worst is yet to come as regards damage to our economy and our collective mental health. My own head is wrecked tbh, but I've become an expert at hiding it from my wife. I'm sure there are those who are in a way worse situation, and I really do sympathise with them. I'll never ever take things for granted ever again.


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Correct, the flu is not eradicated, it will be back.

    Covid is the same, it can't be eradicated, it will be back.

    Zero Covid is pure anti science!!!

    No need for the exclamation mark, neither the government, nphet or me for that matter are proposing zero Covid. Covid will come back as an endemic virus which due to a combination of residual immunity due to previous infection or vaccines will resemble a bad cold at worst in all but a tiny percentage. To get there on the infection only route would take at least a year or two longer unless we let it rip, and result in approximately 25-30million deaths


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    So quote me those countries that are currently vilifying travel within the EU to the extent that Ireland is? And what other EU countries have introduced mandatory quarantine?

    Christ, nevermind travellers being vilified in other European countries. Remember back last summer when people were kicking up a stink over dirty Dubs travelling to their areas. Some places even refused to serve people from outside btheor local area or county.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    C__MC wrote: »
    The amount of livelihoods and businesses destroyed in 2-3 years will be utterly devastating ,
    Irish public have no idea what’s coming down the line.

    it might sound a bit dramatic but i can imagine the whole lockdown topic being a bit like public support for the iraq war in the uk where people who were gung ho for it at the time now say they were against it. and before anyone tries twisting my words to say I'm comparing covid to the iraq war im not im comparing the way public sentiment can change when hindsight kicks in and the consequences for actions start to become apparent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    No need for the exclamation mark, neither the government, nphet or me for that matter are proposing zero Covid. Covid will come back as an endemic virus which due to a combination of residual immunity due to previous infection or vaccines will resemble a bad cold at worst in all but a tiny percentage. To get there on the infection only route would take at least a year or two longer unless we let it rip, and result in approximately 25-30million deaths

    It's funny...it's not ripping in Florida where they are "letting it rip"...or other parts of the world where they have gone down the light restrictions route, the opposite to the route we took!

    Zero Covid has been pushed by experts and politicians in the last week or so, but locking us down until case numbers (case numbers that we will be chasing, not people who turn up sick in a doctors surgery) drop to a trickle at this time of the year is the next step back from Zero Covid.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    So quote me those countries that are currently vilifying travel within the EU to the extent that Ireland is? And what other EU countries have introduced mandatory quarantine?

    Nobody here is vilifying travel.

    Try again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    ypres5 wrote: »
    it might sound a bit dramatic but i can imagine the whole lockdown topic being a bit like public support for the iraq war in the uk where people who were gung ho for it at the time now say they were against it. and before anyone tries twisting my words to say I'm comparing covid to the iraq war im not im comparing the way public sentiment can change when hindsight kicks in and the consequences for actions start to become apparent

    It's actually a great example of media manipulation...we all remember the WMD nonsense that was shoved down our news programs...we now know it was utter rubbish.

    I think you are spot on, in years to come, when the dust settles on this madness and the damage we have done is no longer possible to deny...

    When the media is in hyper emotive mode, it's normally b##llocks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    It's funny...it's not ripping in Florida where they are "letting it rip"

    Florida
    March 15 – Jan. 30
    Reported Covid-19 Death 26,356
    Total Excess Death 32,600


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Grueller Baby




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    They really can't see it, they don't recognize that it is poor leadership pure and simple that has got us here....we never needed to go as strict as we did.

    That's your opinion. Others have a different opinion.

    The Irish public in poll after poll overwhelmingly supported and continue to support the restrictions as needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Graham wrote: »
    Florida
    March 15 – Jan. 30
    Reported Covid-19 Death 26,356
    Total Excess Death 32,600

    Can you break down what happened before they lifted restrictions in Sept and what happened after? Compare it with California for some context please?

    Because you know, context matters!


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's funny...it's not ripping in Florida where they are "letting it rip"...or other parts of the world where they have gone down the light restrictions route, the opposite to the route we took!

    Zero Covid has been pushed by experts and politicians in the last week or so, but locking us down until case numbers (case numbers that we will be chasing, not people who turn up sick in a doctors surgery) drop to a trickle at this time of the year is the next step back from Zero Covid.

    Florida have not “Let it rip” but have gone done alight touch route that has resulted in 2x our death rate. Their excess deaths for 2020 were also another 25% higher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    It's actually a great example of media manipulation...we all remember the WMD nonsense that was shoved down our news programs...we now know it was utter rubbish.

    I think you are spot on, in years to come, when the dust settles on this madness and the damage we have done is no longer possible to deny...

    When the media is in hyper emotive mode, it's normally b##llocks!

    what was it again with Iraq? saddam could hit london with chemical weapons in 40 minutes? the media don't deserve anyone's trust after that betrayal


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3




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