Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

JRant · 18-02-2021 09:55PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

What I dont understand in the debate about quarantining is this.

We all have similar enough incidence rates in Europe, similar enough restrictions too. Broadly speaking I'm more or less just as likely (or unlikely) to contract it in Germany or Ireland or any other country in Europe.

So what difference does it make where I spent the last week? What difference is quarantining going to make? Especially if i was required to present a test result to boot?

Variants, variants , variants.

We’ve had the opportunity to bring in quarantining and testing on arrival for a long time now. It may even have made a huge difference during the Christmas period. Doing it now seems to be a case of too little too late. The government/NPHET are not going to open up diddly squat until over 70’s are vaccinated. So hopefully May but that depends on vaccine supplies.

Spanish Eyes · 18-02-2021 09:57PM

DaSilva wrote: »

The virus is already in our country and we never eliminated it and we probably won't ever eliminate it. The reason for the explosion of cases over Christmas wasn't because of international travel, it was because of domestic behaviour.

Variants entered through travel though.

The virus spread around the world through travel. That is so obvious.

No denying all that is there.

martingriff · 18-02-2021 09:57PM

Rover touchdown in Mars we can all move there

Boggles · 18-02-2021 09:58PM

DaSilva wrote: »

The virus is already in our country and we never eliminated it and we probably won't ever eliminate it. The reason for the explosion of cases over Christmas wasn't because of international travel, it was because of domestic behaviour.

It can be both.

10s of 1000s of people returning to every corner of the country from hotspots all over Europe rapidly reseeded the virus in places that never even had a case.

It was Christmas, the behavior was set in stone.

CruelSummer · 18-02-2021 10:09PM

Boggles wrote: »

It can be both.

10s of 1000s of people returning to every corner of the country from hotspots all over Europe rapidly reseeded the virus in places that never even had a case.

It was Christmas, the behavior was set in stone.

Travel is not the issue and demonising it is further destroying Ireland as a progressive EU state and nation which is needed into the future. It's ridiculous that this is being allowed.

DaSilva · 18-02-2021 10:14PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Variants entered through travel though.

The virus spread around the world through travel. That is so obvious.

No denying all that is there.

The variants emerged somewhere, and they will continue to emerge. How do we know the so called kent variant didn't actually emerge in Ireland? We don't. Every person who is infected with sars-cov-2 is infected with multiple variants. This variant hysteria is such a pain

You are also effectively punishing countries that have active genomic surveillance, they discover a particular variant and as a result get locked out of the world, yet the countries that do nothing are fine. Stupid, and fear driven.

18-02-2021 10:14PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Travel is not the issue and demonising it is further destroying Ireland as a progressive EU state and nation which is needed into the future. It's ridiculous that this is being allowed.

Have a look at what some other countries do

https://www.dfa.ie/travel/travel-advice/a-z-list-of-countries/

Graham · 18-02-2021 10:15PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Europeans must be seeing us a pariah state, not good.

Nonsense

Europeans for a very large part aren't giving Ireland a second thought. They're dealing with a pandemic.

CruelSummer · 18-02-2021 10:19PM

Graham wrote: »

Nonsense

Europeans for a very large part aren't giving Ireland a second thought. They're dealing with a pandemic.

This is completely untrue as many Europeans living and working here give Ireland more than a ‘2nd thought’. I’m giving you honest feedback from the ground - Europeans don’t want to come here currently and certain highly specialised jobs are hard to fill.

ypres5 · 18-02-2021 10:19PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Travel is not the issue and demonising it is further destroying Ireland as a progressive EU state and nation which is needed into the future. It's ridiculous that this is being allowed.

i was always planning on emigrating once i was finished with college but whatever reservations i would have had are long gone. it's brought out some clannish backwards streak in people that i don't think is going to be easy to turn off.

TheDoctor · 18-02-2021 10:19PM

martingriff wrote: »

Rover touchdown in Mars we can all move there

NPHET are concerned with the level of unnecessary travel on Mars

martingriff · 18-02-2021 10:21PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

NPHET are concerned with the level of unnecessary travel on Mars

We be lockdown for years on the spaceship it would die out by then

Graham · 18-02-2021 10:22PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

This is completely untrue as many Europeans living and working here give Ireland more than a ‘2nd thought’. I’m giving you honest feedback from the ground - Europeans don’t want to come here currently and certain highly specialised jobs are hard to fill.

Many EU countries have restrictions on movement, stop pretending it's uniquely Irish. It just silly.

As for 'pariah state', that really is nonsense.

Spanish Eyes · 18-02-2021 10:24PM

DaSilva wrote: »

The variants emerged somewhere, and they will continue to emerge. How do we know the so called kent variant didn't actually emerge in Ireland? We don't. Every person who is infected with sars-cov-2 is infected with multiple variants. This variant hysteria is such a pain

You are also effectively punishing countries that have active genomic surveillance, they discover a particular variant and as a result get locked out of the world, yet the countries that do nothing are fine. Stupid, and fear driven.

I take your point regarding variants, not sure, but hey.

Anyway, could you or anyone else reading this post explain to me how this virus cirumnavigated the globe very quickly initially?.

Silentcorner · 18-02-2021 10:24PM

ypres5 wrote: »

i was always planning on emigrating once i was finished with college but whatever reservations i would have had are long gone. it's brought out some clannish backwards streak in people that i don't think is going to be easy to turn off.

I'd be gone if I was a young fella...I've seen a side to us Irish that I never thought I'd see, I knew we were subservient but I'm surprised at how easy it has been achieved.

Sierra Oscar · 18-02-2021 10:25PM

Government briefing that we could have strict restrictions until early May.

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1362512810106884098

Silentcorner · 18-02-2021 10:26PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Government briefing that we could have strict restrictions until early May.

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1362512810106884098

This is pure insanity.

CalamariFritti · 18-02-2021 10:26PM

Boggles wrote: »

The ECDC tried to make the same case pre Christmas when we had the lowest rate in Europe. The fan was covered in shít within 3 weeks.

The problem with incidence rate per country, it tends to mask the hot spots in those countries.

As for testing, it's a point in time. It will miss a large portion of people who go on to become positive, it will also give a false sense of security to those people.

You're not really making a compelling argument here.

If there is a problem with incidence rate covering hotspots in some countries then surely that includes Ireland too.

As for testing. I'm talking about testing for travel. Not a test you had 6 months ago.

Spanish Eyes · 18-02-2021 10:28PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Government briefing that we could have strict restrictions until early May.

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1362512810106884098

I just take it day by day. As long as I can get out every day within the 5k and get food and grog delivered, am happy out.

I do understand that those with schoolkids and elderly parents are in a totally different boat.

Aph2016 · 18-02-2021 10:28PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Government briefing that we could have strict restrictions until early May.

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1362512810106884098

When the numbers start approaching 100 this will not be possible.

giveitholly · 18-02-2021 10:30PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I just take it day by day. As long as I can get out every day within the 5k and get food and grog delivered, am happy out.

I do understand that those with schoolkids and elderly parents are in a totally different boat.

And don't forget about people who are out of work and struggling to pay mortgages and bills

C__MC · 18-02-2021 10:31PM

This government are in for some battering come the next GE
They couldn’t run a bath

CruelSummer · 18-02-2021 10:31PM

Graham wrote: »

Many EU countries have restrictions on movement, stop pretending it's uniquely Irish. It just silly.

As for 'pariah state', that really is nonsense.

Are you claiming other EU states are introducing hotel quarantine? They’re not. Are you claiming our hysterical approach has been mirrored across the EU and US? It hasn’t.
The US might have used Covid as a political tool to remove Trump from office but from first hand accounts on the ground - as long as you’ve a mask on, you’re free do do what you please in the US. Not the same as here.

Why are Ryanair transferring a lot of their flights to Eastern Europe to sun destinations for this summer? Oh yes that’s right, they’re planning on reopening flight corridors come summer! Meanwhile we’ll wallow in misery and the unachievable zero Covid dream New Zealand keep feeding us. Best of luck with that.

JRant · 18-02-2021 10:33PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Government briefing that we could have strict restrictions until early May.

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1362512810106884098

No surprise at all. They are not going to open anything until the over 70's are done. Shifting from AZ to Pfizer has added a month to the lockdown.

Cork2021 · 18-02-2021 10:34PM

This man is like a broken record! He surely knows we can’t go for zero covid at this stage! He’s comparing us to Laos?

https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1362513505744785408?s=21

suicide_circus · 18-02-2021 10:35PM

C__MC wrote: »

This government are in for some battering come the next GE
They couldn’t run a bath

To be replaced by whom?

fran38 · 18-02-2021 10:35PM

C__MC wrote: »

This government are in for some battering come the next GE
They couldn’t run a bath

We tend to say that on the run up to each election. But guess what......

wcooba · 18-02-2021 10:36PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I agree and disagree to an extent. We are an EU nation with many Eu nationals here, not to mention other nationalities from outside the EU.
- Northern politicians seem to have placed bipartisan politics above the lives of their citizens therefore hindering an all Island approach.
- We have many EU citizens living in Ireland working in multinational companies that are only here as we're members of the EU and can travel to native countries easily.
- Ireland as a country to live and work in the Western World prided itself on connectivity to Europe. We're not exactly a Mediterranean climate and people took jobs here on the premise that they could travel within the EU.
- Family members are being contacted daily by IT firms trying to fill vacancies - Europeans must be seeing us a pariah state, not good.

Overall I see the outlook as bleak and filled with parish pollitics. So much so, we've decided to investigate what emigration overseas might mean. At least we'd just have Fauci, or others to listen to and not the misery porn Ireland loves and will take a decade and more to recover from.

I'm an expat living here for over 15 years. I used to love this country despite it's flaws but in the last year it became very unattractive place to be. Yes, there are restrictions in other places too - but I can't recall another EU country where people are effectively under house arrest for 10 months or so. I can't recall another EU state effectively prosecuting for attempt of leaving the country.
What's even worse - this zero life policy is widely supported by the society. Just to be clear - I'm not covid denier. Responses and measures should be proportionate and balanced though.

Sierra Oscar · 18-02-2021 10:37PM

C__MC wrote: »

This government are in for some battering come the next GE
They couldn’t run a bath

This is thrown around a fair bit, but the opposition party are on board with the restrictions. Some are arguing for a zero Covid approach which would result in harsher restrictions.

Silentcorner · 18-02-2021 10:37PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

This man is like a broken record! He surely knows we can’t go for zero covid at this stage! He’s comparing us to Laos?

https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1362513505744785408?s=21

Zero Covid is swivel eyed loon stuff...it would involve us all locking ourselves in our bedrooms for 23 hours a day for 6 weeks...for a virus that will return next winter.

Is there a medical expert out there who believes we have eradicated Influenza because we didn't get a flu season this year?

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