Ireland v France 2021 6n

Jump_In_Jack · 14-02-2021 06:16PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Muddy Williams is an awful spoofer. Always has been. He's sometimes right, like a stopped clock. An example him saying that France have moved forward more than we have while omitting the fact that they have 28 pro teams to our 4.

Top 14 and Pro D2 has 16 teams so that’s 30 professional clubs.

prawnsambo · 14-02-2021 06:16PM

Augme wrote: »

So we just give up and accept we will never compete with France? Interesting attitude.

Well there's a leap. Have another think. You might get somewhere.

ujjjjjjjjj · 14-02-2021 06:17PM

Henshaw, Henderson, Keenan, Connors, Porter, Ruddock, Healy, Kelleher, Furlong Ringrose and Ross Byrne all did well for me.

Mixed games from JGP, Lowe, Earls, VDF and Beirne.

Stander and Herring offered little bar effort and we have to look at these two slots going forward and Burns clearly showed he is not for this level. Ed Byrne I think is unlikely to make an impact at this level. Dillane in this area too.

Pudsy33 · 14-02-2021 06:18PM

Clareman wrote: »

What controversary was there this week?

The Sexton and French doctor stuff

breezy1985 · 14-02-2021 06:19PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Lowe had as many bad kicks as good kicks.
His almost try was only an almost try.
His missed tackles were criminal.

The only reason we lost by two wasn’t down to our ability, it was French mistakes that stopped them scoring more and allowed us a soft try.

The French mistakes flattered the score line but the were never in trouble.

I do think Lowe has talent but he seems to want to be in the limelight a bit too much. Reminds me of Murray the way he wants to do everything himself

Scratchly · 14-02-2021 06:19PM

shootermacg wrote: »

Earls was super today.

Not sure in what world Earls was super. Missed a few tackles, poor kick chasing and minimal contribution going forward.

cantwbr1 · 14-02-2021 06:19PM

There’s a certain amount of hysteria here (as was last week).
We were 1 shanked penalty from a win.
During the week people were forecasting a hammering. The same people are saying that the only reason that didn’t happen was France were crap.

Clareman · 14-02-2021 06:20PM

Pudsy33 wrote: »

The Sexton and French doctor stuff

Forgot about that, thanks

Utopia Parkway · 14-02-2021 06:20PM

Think the forwards have done really well over the two games. Plenty of territory and possession. Solid set piece.

The back play though has been absolutely septic. Very little threat with ball in hand. Ball being shoveled on laterally. Nobody straightening a line apart from Henshaw. And they've defended the wings very poorly.

Not seeing what Mike Catt is bringing to the party so far?

UAEguy2020 · 14-02-2021 06:20PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Muddy Williams is an awful spoofer. Always has been. He's sometimes right, like a stopped clock. An example him saying that France have moved forward more than we have while omitting the fact that they have 28 pro teams to our 4.

More excuses to accept mediocrity. I’m sick of these cop outs of blaming size and population and number of professional clubs and using it as an excuse to accept mediocrity. The French have a game plan, and a clear understanding of what’s expected of them whereas we don’t and you don’t have a clue what we will do next, that’s coaching, nothing to do with the number of professional clubs.

breezy1985 · 14-02-2021 06:21PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Henshaw, Henderson, Keenan, Connors, Porter, Ruddock, Healy, Kelleher, Furlong Ringrose and Ross Byrne all did well for me.

Mixed games from JGP, Lowe, Earls, VDF and Beirne.

Stander and Herring offered little bar effort and we have to look at these two slots going forward and Burns clearly showed he is not for this level. Ed Byrne I think is unlikely to make an impact at this level. Dillane in this area too.

Every week we seem to get this Earls done meh narrative but what exactly does he do wrong. Ya he isnt scoring tries but he isn't getting much ball to either

prawnsambo · 14-02-2021 06:21PM

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

More excuses to accept mediocrity. I’m sick of these cop outs of blaming size and population and number of professional clubs and using it as an excuse to accept mediocrity. The French have a game plan, and a clear understanding of what’s expected of them whereas we don’t and you don’t have a clue what we will do next, that’s coaching, nothing to do with the number of professional clubs.

Do you think that having 28 pro teams isn't an advantage? Yes or no.

IngazZagni · 14-02-2021 06:21PM

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Top 14 and Pro D2 has 16 teams so that’s 30 professional clubs.

Indeed and most of our players come through via schools and amateur rugby in which there'll be the guts of 2 years with no action. This will have a much bigger negative effect for Ireland than France.

Overall I think people are being overly harsh on Ireland today. We aren't massively behind the best teams. Small margins just aren't going our way......yet.

14-02-2021 06:22PM

cantwbr1 wrote: »

There’s a certain amount of hysteria here (as was last week).
We were 1 shanked penalty from a win.
During the week people were forecasting a hammering. The same people are saying that the only reason that didn’t happen was France were crap.

In fairness France threw away 12 points with the try line a-begging through pure butchery on their part.

Ireland got a lucky bounce for 7 points.

That's a possible 19 point swing

Well done to Ireland for being gritty but the scoreline was a bit flattering really imo and Ireland didn't show much in attack to threaten the French whereas the French looked dynamic and dangerous when they had the ball

TomsOnTheRoof · 14-02-2021 06:22PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Henshaw, Henderson, Keenan, Connors, Porter, Ruddock, Healy, Kelleher, Furlong Ringrose and Ross Byrne all did well for me.

Mixed games from JGP, Lowe, Earls, VDF and Beirne.

Stander and Herring offered little bar effort and we have to look at these two slots going forward and Burns clearly showed he is not for this level. Ed Byrne I think is unlikely to make an impact at this level. Dillane in this area too.

I'm sorry but you are talking rot. Ruddock made 1 pass, made 10 metres for 10 carries and made 7 tackles. He did not have a good game. You say Stander is not up to it but he made 4 and a half times the number of metres Ruddock did. He also made 6 times the number of passes. Stander had the second highest number of metres for us today and he made the same number of passes and offloads as Ringrose.

Lowe did not have a mixed game. He was awful. He made 3 tackles, missed 4 and conceded 3 turnovers.

UAEguy2020 · 14-02-2021 06:23PM

cantwbr1 wrote: »

There’s a certain amount of hysteria here (as was last week).
We were 1 shanked penalty from a win.
During the week people were forecasting a hammering. The same people are saying that the only reason that didn’t happen was France were crap.

To be fair most of those people have never actually analyzed how France play and just bought into the hype and thought just because they smashed Italy that they would smash Ireland. The reality is France have improved a lot and are looking good but this idea that they are the best thing since slimmed bread is a complete false narrative and nothing more.

its_phil · 14-02-2021 06:23PM

By the end of the 6N, Andy Farrell has a big decision to make about his back room staff. Wipe the slate, bar POC, or back the current staff going into games with New Zealand and Argentina.

Going to be interesting.

basill · 14-02-2021 06:24PM

The scoreline flatters Ireland. They were a distant second to a French team that didn't play to their ability or form.

walshb · 14-02-2021 06:24PM

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

More excuses to accept mediocrity. I’m sick of these cop outs of blaming size and population and number of professional clubs and using it as an excuse to accept mediocrity. The French have a game plan, and a clear understanding of what’s expected of them whereas we don’t and you don’t have a clue what we will do next, that’s coaching, nothing to do with the number of professional clubs.

Are you for real?

A country the size of France with its history of Rugby, finances, professionalism and clubs and pools..

You think an island of 5 million where GAA is completely dominant, followed by soccer is on the same playing field as France?

thomas 123 · 14-02-2021 06:25PM

Zebo back for 15?

UAEguy2020 · 14-02-2021 06:25PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Do you think that having 28 pro teams isn't an advantage? Yes or no.

Simple question, is Farrell get the best out of the resources available to him, Yes or no? If the answer is no than that’s the end of the conversation.

France came to Dublin with a game plan, we had none...that’s nothing to do with the number of professional clubs available to them, that’s just mediocrity when it comes to coaching.

johnnyskeleton · 14-02-2021 06:25PM

StevenToast wrote: »

Andy Farrell is an excellent defence coach...

He is not a head coach.

Which is ironic, considering that the forward pack isn't really the problem for Ireland.

Overall I thought Ireland performed better than expectations but simply not good enough. They are too slow passing down the line, seem to lack communication and have a big problem replacing any tacklers who get out of position.

Dissappointed in Billy Burns today, but Ross Byrne has showed himself to be ideal for the Irish game plan - solid and reliable rather than unpredictable.

There were probably too many handling errors on both sides, which is due in part no doubt to the weather, but I felt that while France adapted and shortened their passing, Ireland didn't adapt well making their passing too slow and too far back into their own half during the second half.

If they had played less cautiously, France might have beat them by more. But, because they played so cautiously, they lacked the edge needed to win

thomas 123 · 14-02-2021 06:26PM

walshb wrote: »

Are you for real?

A country the size of France with its history of Rugby, finances, professionalism and clubs and pools..

You think an island of 5 million where GAA is completely dominant, followed by soccer is on the same playing field as France?

Can you stop with the negativity.

UAEguy2020 · 14-02-2021 06:26PM

walshb wrote: »

Are you for real?

A country the size of France with its history of Rugby, finances, professionalism and clubs and pools..

You think an island of 5 million where GAA is completely dominant, followed by soccer is on the same playing field as France?

So you are saying Andy Farrell is doing as great a job as Galthie right? Simple question.

The Inbetween is mine · 14-02-2021 06:26PM

its_phil wrote: »

By the end of the 6N, Andy Farrell has a big decision to make about his back room staff. Wipe the slate, bar POC, or back the current staff going into games with New Zealand and Argentina.

Going to be interesting.

Do you think that decision will be Farrell's to make?

Scratchly · 14-02-2021 06:27PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

Zebo back for 15?

I'm not sure laziness is the missing piece of the puzzle.

14-02-2021 06:27PM

its_phil wrote: »

By the end of the 6N, Andy Farrell has a big decision to make about his back room staff. Wipe the slate, bar POC, or back the current staff going into games with New Zealand and Argentina.

Going to be interesting.

POC deserves huge credit for fixing the line out

Movementarian · 14-02-2021 06:27PM

For me by far and away the biggest concern is our lack of ability to convert possession into points. Especially in opposition 22.

Too often seeing games where all stats are for us but we still lose or barely win. This has to be down to either poor attack coaching and/or a lack of player ability.

Very frustrating watching at the moment

prawnsambo · 14-02-2021 06:27PM

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

Simple question, is Farrell get the best out of the resources available to him, Yes or no? If the answer is no than that’s the end of the conversation.

France came to Dublin with a game plan, we had none...that’s nothing to do with the number of professional clubs available to them, that’s just mediocrity when it comes to coaching.

Ah yeah, I'm going to answer your strawman question while you refuse to answer mine. Good luck with that.

walshb · 14-02-2021 06:28PM

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

So you are saying Andy Farrell is doing as great a job as Galthie right? Simple question.

What has this to do with the comparisons in my post?

Ireland v France 2021 6n

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