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Ireland v France 2021 6n

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  • #392
    Clareman
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Keenan gave the pass way too early for the try chance.


  • #393
    KaneToad
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    Rugby4568 wrote: »
    We should bring Casey on

    Not the solution. He shouldn't be in the squad.


  • #394
    degsie
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    Hard to watch this. The French are going to hammer us in the 2nd half.


  • #395
    TomsOnTheRoof
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Burns is rubbish. Surely Ross Byrne a better option.

    Ross Byrne has failed to impress on numerous occasions. Burns had a good Autumn. He **** the bed last week but he still has credit in the bank from November and rightly so. He deserves his shot. Personally I'd prefer to see Carty there but I don't have an issue with Burns being given a chance.


  • #396
    almostover
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    TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »
    I wouldn't mind but he's made a number of passes as well and tackled everything in sight. His offload to Keenan could have resulted in a try on another day. People just looking to create a narrative.

    I agree, drives me mental the commentary on Stander week in week out. He's a top backrow. Makes meters. Rarely turns it over in contact. A low pass cost him in that regard in this game. Makes a big number of tackles. And makes turnovers. Not the tallest so not much of a line out forward. He's the prototype 6/8.


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  • #397
    The Inbetween is mine
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    ednwireland wrote: »
    does anyone think we would have played better with Murray and sexton ? I'm not so sure

    Of course we would, it's not even a close run thing


  • #398
    StevenToast
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    Billy burns has been terrible....anyone can miss a kick...but the nature of the first miss was shocking..

    Offers nothing in attack

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • #399
    breezy1985
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    awec wrote: »
    No.

    People are looking for issues with JGP and Burns because of the fuss that's been made about us playing with neither Sexton nor Murray.

    Sexton misses kicks all the time, and t's harsh to blame JGP for the try. They tore through us and the defence was scrambling.

    Both the half backs have been grand.

    Na Burns has sucked. His kicks for touch from penalties have been poor in terms of ground gained and some pretty pointless kicks over the top too.
    JGP has been fine


  • #400
    TheCitizen
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Burns has been fine, that miss was horrible though.

    He's putting some serious height on those garryowens and he's not getting change from his chasers.

    He hasn't been fine at all. He's rubbish. He was so weak for the French first try they stripped the ball off him. He should not be playing. The coach is useless.


  • #401
    bilston
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Burns is rubbish. Surely Ross Byrne a better option.

    You're not watching the match then. He hasn't been rubbish at all. Ross Byrne has been tried before and it hasn't worked. That's not to say he is or isn't a better option, but right now Burns is playing and doing OK. I've seen nothing tonsuggest Byrne would do better...although he would be a better goalkeeper.


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  • #402
    Bleating Lamb
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    Pity JGP came in needlessly for the try....


  • #403
    Lachlan Faithful Inch
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    KaneToad wrote: »
    Not the solution. He shouldn't be in the squad.

    Would you mind elaborating. more than he's just not good enough please


  • #404
    Pudsy33
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Burns is rubbish. Surely Ross Byrne a better option.

    This backline would be moving far worse with Byrne in there.


  • #405
    [Deleted User]
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »

    Cian Healy a spent docket already.

    Do you mean a spent force or a beaten docket? I like my props ljke healy and my metaphors untortured.


  • #406
    TheCitizen
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    StevenToast wrote: »
    Billy burns has been terrible....anyone can miss a kick...but the nature of the first miss was shocking..

    Offers nothing in attack

    He's totally out of his depth. Ridiculous from Farrell to pick him.


  • #407
    Arduach
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    awec wrote: »
    No.

    People are looking for issues with JGP and Burns because of the fuss that's been made about us playing with neither Sexton nor Murray.

    Sexton misses kicks all the time, and t's harsh to blame JGP for the try. They tore through us and the defence was scrambling.

    Both the half backs have been grand.

    True. People tend to have rose tinted glasses about out halves kicking in the past. Remember ROG's miss from his first kick 22m straight opposite the posts in Twickenham 2004. Or Johnny Sexton v Scotland for the Triple Crown in 2010.

    Very few emerge like Leigh Halpenny as a fully fledged kicker from day 1 of his international career.


  • #408
    almostover
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Have a look at the French try. Players running at gaps, not at players. Trucking it up doesn't mean trying to run over people.

    Watch Aldritt for France with ball in hand. Every good backrow has 1 player who carries hard.


  • #409
    PTH2009
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    We need a quick try in the 2nd half, one more French try and its game over


  • #410
    Pudsy33
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    He's totally out of his depth. Ridiculous from Farrell to pick him.

    Bar the missed pen what has he done wrong?


  • #411
    awec
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    People saying Burns has sucked are talking absolute scutter.

    His garryowens have been bang on the money, every single one. He missed a kick at goal, which is not rare for Sexton either.

    We're not losing because of Burns or JGP, we're losing cause we haven't a clue what to do with the ball. France are far better with the ball than we are.


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  • #412
    clsmooth
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    StevenToast wrote: »
    Billy burns has been terrible....anyone can miss a kick...but the nature of the first miss was shocking..

    Offers nothing in attack

    Can you see the contradiction here? It reminds me of the ‘I’m not racist/homophobic/sexist BUT’ argument :D


  • #413
    Niallof9
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    kilns wrote: »
    People calling for Farrell to go are stupid you can see real positives there but our attack is awful and that needs to be addressed before we can start taking advantage of our possession dominance

    And whos job is it to fix the attack. Tgis isn't new. We've stunk in attack in far too many games now under him.


  • #414
    pickarooney
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    touts wrote: »
    Big calls to be made by Farrell at half time. France there for the taking but Burns and JGP clearly not up to it. Does Farrell have the courage to call that he made the wrong selection and change it at half time.

    Ross Byrne is not going to open up France, shovelling on passes from ten metres back.


  • #415
    bilston
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Na Burns has sucked. His kicks for touch from penalties have been poor in terms of ground gained and some pretty pointless kicks over the top too.
    JGP has been fine

    Other way round IMO, not that I think Gibson Park has sucked, but then I don't think anyone has sucked.


  • #416
    Burkie1203
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    awec wrote: »
    No.

    People are looking for issues with JGP and Burns because of the fuss that's been made about us playing with neither Sexton nor Murray.

    Sexton misses kicks all the time, and t's harsh to blame JGP for the try. They tore through us and the defence was scrambling.

    Both the half backs have been grand.

    We have loads of good 9s and 10s, none as good as Murray and Sexton in their prime. The expectation seems to be they should be but IMO of all those players Casey at 9 and Healy and HByrne at 10 have it to go to that level

    We are going to have a crap 6n so give Casey and a few others meaningful minutes.


  • #417
    Morathi
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    He hasn't been fine at all. He's rubbish. He was so weak for the French first try they stripped the ball off him. He should not be playing. The coach is useless.

    I mean.....get off the fence man, at least commit to an opinion.


  • #418
    swiwi_
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    Maxine Fresh Creature wrote: »
    We've played ok at points but the way they support compared to us is night and day and we're once again being let down by simple, basic skills like making an accurate pass while running at pace. Very hard to see us winning from here imo.

    Pretty much this. I think it’s been a decent display but effectively the odd poor pass or too long kick has killed momentum.


  • #419
    bilston
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    awec wrote: »
    People saying Burns has sucked are talking absolute scutter.

    His garryowens have been bang on the money, every single one. He missed a kick at goal, which is not rare for Sexton either.

    We're not losing because of Burns or JGP, we're losing cause we haven't a clue what to do with the ball. France are far better with the ball than we are.

    This


  • #420
    KaneToad
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    Sean Disgusting Fish wrote: »
    Would you mind elaborating. more than he's just not good enough please

    Sure. We have much better options at 9:

    Cooney
    Marmion
    Blade

    Casey is not (yet) international standard 9. Those guys are and offer us more.


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  • #421
    TomsOnTheRoof
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    StevenToast wrote: »
    Billy burns has been terrible....anyone can miss a kick...but the nature of the first miss was shocking..

    Offers nothing in attack

    Burns isn't the only reason out attack has faltered. We haven't set the world alight with Sexton there either. People need to take off the blinkers, we have two very good centres but they aren't world beaters. Henshaw looks to be a bit more dynamic since shedding the weight but he's not going to step two or three fellas and score a breakaway. Likewise, Ringrose is a very good footballer but he doesn't have the sheer acceleration needed to turn those half breaks into scores. Additionally, Catt looks to have brought nothing worthwhile. Burns is not the only reason our backline can't score.


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