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Ireland v France 2021 6n

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  • #362
    TomsOnTheRoof
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    The main positive is the pack. Nobody really playing poorly from 1-8. Our problem is that when we look to spread it we are lost. Catt is stealing a living by the looks of it. Too many passes out wide are not going where they should be, in front of the receiver.


  • #363
    TheCitizen
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    ednwireland wrote: »
    does anyone think we would have played better with Murray and sexton ? I'm not so sure

    Probably not. Sexton is passed his best but we have better options than Burns.


  • #364
    KaneToad
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    Arduach wrote: »
    3 points a poor return for our efforts. Hugo just needed to hold a split second bon his pass to Lowe.

    Big momentum changer.

    I like Keenan but he definitely could have done better there. Gave Lowe too much to do.


  • #365
    almostover
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Be nice if the merchants that will come up with standers small yard gain for high carrying stats could watch how many players are tackling him every time he gets the ball.



    Cian Healy a spent docket already.

    Every pack needs a player to make the hard yards, stander does that for Ireland. He plays 6 when Doris is at 8. You can't run a backrow without one guy who aggressively trucks it up. Every successful team has that player.


  • #366
    Rugby4568
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    touts wrote: »
    Big calls to be made by Farrell at half time. France there for the taking but Burns and JGP clearly not up to it. Does Farrell have the courage to call that he made the wrong selection and change it at half time.

    Burns hasn’t been that bad tbf but JGP has been poor


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  • #367
    thomas 123
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    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    Why not...he's probably better than all the others you mentioned already

    The national team should not be used to develop players imo.

    Fellas earn their crust week in week out - Casey has this year but to suggest he is better than those other four scrum half’s is not right.


  • #368
    not yet
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    AMKC wrote: »
    France the better team in the first have but Ireland not bad either but could be better. I blame the TMO for saying the try was not a try when it was a try.

    You listening on the Radio..?


  • #369
    theVersatile
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    Jesus lads - we're 10-3 down at HT against the Grand Slam favourites and yere calling for heads to be taken. We had a very dominant opening twenty or so minutes and one French surge aside, we've contained them very well.

    But sure, #AndyOut.
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  • #370
    Niallof9
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    thomas 123 wrote: »
    The national team should not be used to develop players imo.

    Fellas earn their crust week in week out - Casey has this year but to suggest he is better than those other four scrum half’s is not right.

    Neither should it be used to develop coaches


  • #371
    crisco10
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    Jgp and burns kicking from hand has been reasonable.


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  • #372
    TomsOnTheRoof
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    almostover wrote: »
    Every pack needs a player to make the hard yards, stander does that for Ireland. He plays 6 when Doris is at 8. You can't run a backrow without one guy who aggressively trucks it up. Every successful team has that player.

    I wouldn't mind but he's made a number of passes as well and tackled everything in sight. His offload to Keenan could have resulted in a try on another day. People just looking to create a narrative.


  • #373
    Niallof9
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    theVersatile wrote: »
    Jesus lads - we're 10-3 down at HT against the Grand Slam favourites and yere calling for heads to be taken. We had a very dominant opening twenty or so minutes and one French surge aside, we've contained them very well.

    But sure, #AndyOut.

    Ah stop its far more than that and you know it


  • #374
    ScissorPaperRock
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    The difference is that France have a genuine attacking game that doesn't depend on collision after collision.

    Ireland are doing a lot really well - scrum, lineout, kicking game - but just don't have the attacking game.


  • #375
    Rugby4568
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    crisco10 wrote: »
    Jgp and burns kicking from hand has been reasonable.

    True


  • #376
    bilston
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    Ireland were OK in the first half...Henderson, Ruddock and Keenan have been very good. The scrum has been very good and the lineout has functioned well, although there have been a couple of dropped balls, although we got away with one.

    Burns has done alright, apart from the missed penalty, but it is what it is...Gibson Park has maybe been more of a concern.

    If France score early in the second half we are in trouble.


  • #377
    Morathi
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No invention in attack and couldn't exploit a 14 man France.

    Appointing Catt might have been a mistake.

    It's frustrating, because our scrum and line-out have been great.

    A bit of a cutting edge in attack and we'd be laughing.

    I suppose it's also worth noting but for an inch on the touch, and an extra inch of a jump from Henderson, we'd be in a better position.

    Besides the point though I guess, we're just not looking dangerous with the ball in hand.


  • #378
    Rugby4568
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    We should bring Casey on


  • #379
    thomas 123
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    Niallof9 wrote: »
    Neither should it be used to develop coaches

    Agreed.


  • #380
    Conor Bewildered Sextant
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    We've played ok at points but the way they support compared to us is night and day and we're once again being let down by simple, basic skills like making an accurate pass while running at pace. Very hard to see us winning from here imo.


  • #381
    realhorrorshow
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    I think, albeit based on limited evidence, that we have the worst attacking structure in the competition. I have no idea what we are trying to do. Players taking the ball standing still a mile behind the gainline with no deception or decoy runners at all.


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  • #382
    Niallof9
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    ScissorPaperRock wrote: »
    The difference is that France have a genuine attacking game that doesn't depend on collision after collision.

    Ireland are doing a lot really well - scrum, lineout, kicking game - but just don't have the attacking game.

    But tgis has always been the case. Farrell was lauded for "changing" our gameplan

    Hence y many r so pissed off


  • #383
    almostover
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    crisco10 wrote: »
    Jgp and burns kicking from hand has been reasonable.

    They're doing ok but compare them to Dupont and Jalibert. No where near the level required


  • #384
    awec
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    ednwireland wrote: »
    does anyone think we would have played better with Murray and sexton ? I'm not so sure

    No.

    People are looking for issues with JGP and Burns because of the fuss that's been made about us playing with neither Sexton nor Murray.

    Sexton misses kicks all the time, and t's harsh to blame JGP for the try. They tore through us and the defence was scrambling.

    Both the half backs have been grand.


  • #385
    TheCitizen
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    bilston wrote: »
    Ireland were OK in the first half...Henderson, Ruddock and Keenan have been very good. The scrum has been very good and the lineout has functioned well, although there have been a couple of dropped balls, although we got away with one.

    Burns has done alright, apart from the missed penalty, but it is what it is...Gibson Park has maybe been more of a concern.

    If France score early in the second half we are in trouble.

    Burns is rubbish. Surely Ross Byrne a better option.


  • #386
    eagle eye
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    Unfortunately I can see us getting murdered in the second half. We had opportunities there and France got away with a lot. I think they'll improve in the second half and our bench isn't great.


  • #387
    Arduach
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    KaneToad wrote: »
    I like Keenan but he definitely could have done better there. Gave Lowe too much to do.

    I like his solidity too. A game of inches..


  • #388
    Burkie1203
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    almostover wrote: »
    Every pack needs a player to make the hard yards, stander does that for Ireland. He plays 6 when Doris is at 8. You can't run a backrow without one guy who aggressively trucks it up. Every successful team has that player.

    Have a look at the French try. Players running at gaps, not at players. Trucking it up doesn't mean trying to run over people.


  • #389
    kilns
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    People calling for Farrell to go are stupid you can see real positives there but our attack is awful and that needs to be addressed before we can start taking advantage of our possession dominance


  • #390
    thomond2006
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    Burns has been fine, that miss was horrible though.

    He's putting some serious height on those garryowens and he's not getting enough change from his chasers.


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  • #391
    beggars_bush
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    Clareman wrote: »
    Fixed your post there, if they want to do up a video of clips of examples of penalties for going off your feet at the breakdown just show that over and over, the fact that he was trying to seal off a 9 made it worse.

    The french player backed away.
    I've seen that happening more and more recently


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