Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

growleaves · 14-02-2021 02:32PM

walus wrote: »

If you think from a perspective who benefits from the current state of affairs, you would have to say that it is China.

The worlds order is changing and US is getting relatively weaker with respect to other powers, and especially China. History shows that countries that overextend themselves suffer economically (GB and now US) and crashing US economy plays into Chinese hands. That is not a theory, and definitely not a conspiracy.

It is time to start learning Mandarin guys...

I don't think the Yuan will ever have the strength to be an international currency but certainly China will be a large counterbalancing bloc.

That is sad because their successful economy gives them 'respectability', which means Western leaders and scientists feel free to borrow their utterly wicked methods of control.

Kermit.de.frog · 14-02-2021 02:34PM

JRant wrote: »

Nobody has brought a case to the high court yet so we don't really know.

Gemma did and they were laughed out of court. Literally.

JRant · 14-02-2021 02:34PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

And governments are there to legislate. We need strong legislation across Europe.

Wrong again Kermit. The government cannot legislate your rights away. They are enshired in the constitution. The only way to change them is a referendum, here at least.

14-02-2021 02:37PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is why it is nearly time for tougher legislation across Europe in my view. Restrictions are required and needed for some time to come. Courts should not have any excuse.

To be honest, you have stated before that you absolutely hate bookies and pub culture.

You don’t seem too fond of Christmas either. And you seem like you’d welcome a tougher authority type government.

For your own good, maybe it would help to look at countries closer to your own views?

growleaves · 14-02-2021 02:38PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Gemma did and they were laughed out of court. Literally.

She was an amateur though. She didn't have a scooby doo how to go about it, and offered up polemics mostly.

A case put together by an expert on constitutional law might fare differently.

JRant · 14-02-2021 02:38PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Gemma did and they were laughed out of court. Literally.

It never even got to a court sitting. It was rightly thrown out as they presented no evidence, hence the presiding judge said it had no merit and it was refused leave to have a high court sitting. This is basic stuff and requires only a cursory look at the details.

Loafing Oaf · 14-02-2021 02:39PM

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RobitTV · 14-02-2021 02:40PM

Businesses in Majorca have launched a legal challenge over the weekend against the lockdown. There has been a string of legal victories in Spain against regional authorities and the lockdown measures.

walus · 14-02-2021 02:43PM

growleaves wrote: »

I don't think the Yuan will ever have the strength to be an international currency but certainly China will be a large counterbalancing bloc.

That is sad because their successful economy gives them 'respectability', which means Western leaders and scientists feel free to borrow their utterly wicked methods of control.

We have seen reserve currencies change from Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, British and US money in the past, and it will happen again. It is not even a question of how strong is Yuan, but how strong relative to Dollar it is. The Dollar is being devalued at a frightening pace, but that alone is not sufficient for the Yuan to take over. There is no bond market for Yuan right now and that is what the Chinese need to work on to advance their currency.

I personally think that Dollar will be worthless at the end of this. To stop the Chinese from getting ahead they will introduce some sort of CDBC money/credit to replace $.

TheDoctor · 14-02-2021 02:46PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Gemma did and they were laughed out of court. Literally.

A real case. Not a Gemma case.

dalyboy · 14-02-2021 02:46PM

Gemmas case was so absurd it was almost as if it was set up to fail .

Multipass · 14-02-2021 02:50PM

I’ve just been in a zoom class with people from Spain, Italy and Serbia. They were shocked to hear about the restrictions we still have in Ireland - the Spanish were complaining that their restaurants have to close at 7 or 8pm. Their kids are in school every second day, online on the other days.

ingo1984 · 14-02-2021 02:54PM

JMNolan wrote: »

I actually don't blame NPHET at all. They're doing their job. Sure if you ask any doctor about doing something like having a pint or over eating they'll tell you medically it's not a good idea. Our government is supposed to govern but they seem to just have handed it over to NPHET. And our media castigate them if the government disagree with NPHET. In actuality, I blame our media for what the country is enduring.

Correct, nphet are only doing their job. They are primarily medical professionals who's duty is to preserve life and minimal deaths.

It is the government that is failing us. They weigh up the implications advised by nphet v the overall societal and economic costs of the pandemic. However the government just blindly follow nphet advise. Probably due to the fact the politicians are insulated from any long term financial implications of the virus.

hynesie08 · 14-02-2021 02:57PM

Multipass wrote: »

I’ve just been in a zoom class with people from Spain, Italy and Serbia. They were shocked to hear about the restrictions we still have in Ireland - the Spanish were complaining that their restaurants have to close at 7 or 8pm. Their kids are in school every second day, online on the other days.

What parts of Spain and Italy? Since large sections of both are under similar restrictions to Ireland? And who has zoom classes on a Sunday?

TheDoctor · 14-02-2021 02:58PM

Multipass wrote: »

I’ve just been in a zoom class with people from Spain, Italy and Serbia. They were shocked to hear about the restrictions we still have in Ireland - the Spanish were complaining that their restaurants have to close at 7 or 8pm. Their kids are in school every second day, online on the other days.

Arent these people just the worst.

So irresponsible etc etc etc

NovemberWren · 14-02-2021 02:59PM

Parachutes wrote: »

I mean have you ever seen Tony Holahan? Reptilian has to be a likely theory

the br.o'connor radio today, if stephen donnelly said the "cohorts" of people to be vaccinated once, he said it about 10 times. This is truly the mindset of Fianna Fail - the Masters now.

As far as I know, Italy, population of 60million, is to receive Euro200Billion from the E.U. And Ireland, population of 5million, is to receive Euro100Billion from the E.U.

With Euros Billions like that about to be dished out to every Unions' employees 'Cohorts', Public Sector employees 'Cohorts', IMO Doctors 'Cohorts', HSE Bureaucratic employees 'Cohorts', Nurses 'Cohorts', Builders,Local Contracts 'Cohorts, RTE presenters 'Cohorts'....... is it any wonder that all of these State 'Cohorts' have smoothly elided on with Fianna Fail, and F.G., and S.F., and with this financial scamdemic. They are all about to get very rich.

normanoffside · 14-02-2021 03:01PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Is their any legal standing to challenge Irelands restrictions?

The numbers confirm the restrictions are blown out of proportion.

Preventing the right to work, earn a living etc.

The ICHR are planning a legal case and raising funds

https://ie.gofundme.com/f/erosion-of-fundamental-freedoms

RobitTV · 14-02-2021 03:01PM

Lanzarote is currently going through 'Level 4 restrictions' which is the highest level. There is no lockdown Level 5.

Level 4 in Lanzarote:
- Bars and restaurants close at 6pm
- Non-essential retail remains open
- Barbers and hairdressers remain open
- Gyms remain open
- Freedom of movement around the Island
- Schools remain open
- Team sports and training can still take place
- You can meet in groups of four outside at a bar or restaurant.

All of this is happening, and the active cases have been declining substantially since Christmas. They will go back to Level 2 or 3 soon.

Tenerife is back on Level 1 - bars and restaurants can remain open until midnight.

Kermit.de.frog · 14-02-2021 03:07PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Lanzarote is currently going through 'Level 4 restrictions' which is the highest level. There is no lockdown Level 5.

Level 4 in Lanzarote:
- Bars and restaurants close at 6pm
- Non-essential retail remains open
- Barbers and hairdressers remain open
- Gyms remain open
- Freedom of movement around the Island
- Schools remain open
- Team sports and training can still take place
- You can meet in groups of four outside at a bar or restaurant.

All of this is happening, and the active cases have been declining substantially since Christmas. They will go back to Level 2 or 3 soon.

Tenerife is back on Level 1 - bars and restaurants can remain open until midnight.

How is that comparing like with like? They are small islands so zero covid is easy for them.

There are more pressing concerns than tourism here.

Dr. Bre · 14-02-2021 03:07PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Lanzarote is currently going through 'Level 4 restrictions' which is the highest level. There is no lockdown Level 5.

Level 4 in Lanzarote:
- Bars and restaurants close at 6pm
- Non-essential retail remains open
- Barbers and hairdressers remain open
- Gyms remain open
- Freedom of movement around the Island
- Schools remain open
- Team sports and training can still take place
- You can meet in groups of four outside at a bar or restaurant.

All of this is happening, and the active cases have been declining substantially since Christmas. They will go back to Level 2 or 3 soon.

Tenerife is back on Level 1 - bars and restaurants can remain open until midnight.

Pity we can’t fly to these places without someone waving their finger at you !

suicide_circus · 14-02-2021 03:18PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Lanzarote is currently going through 'Level 4 restrictions' which is the highest level. There is no lockdown Level 5.

Level 4 in Lanzarote:
- Bars and restaurants close at 6pm
- Non-essential retail remains open
- Barbers and hairdressers remain open
- Gyms remain open
- Freedom of movement around the Island
- Schools remain open
- Team sports and training can still take place
- You can meet in groups of four outside at a bar or restaurant.

All of this is happening, and the active cases have been declining substantially since Christmas. They will go back to Level 2 or 3 soon.

Tenerife is back on Level 1 - bars and restaurants can remain open until midnight.

Disgusting reprehensible granny killers

jams100 · 14-02-2021 03:22PM

What I'm reading lately is both dangerous and reckless. They are now talking about continuing with restrictions even when all the over 50s are vaccinated.

At that point who the f**k are they protecting? The whole point of these restrictions was to protect the vulnerable, I've had several friends (all young-ish < 45) who have caught covid and not one had anything worse than a cold.

It's about time we start hearing dates for a return to normality, once all the over 50s or 60s are vaccinated then that's it everything should then be reopened bar maybe the likes of the 3arena which could be delayed for another while.

It's about time some politicians stood up and start asking questions, some of these immunologists are allowed to suggest anything without question, the latest one being that we won't return to normal until late spring 2022.

RobitTV · 14-02-2021 03:22PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How is that comparing like with like? They are small islands so zero covid is easy for them.

There are more pressing concerns than tourism here.

They aren't aiming for zero covid though. The Canarian authorities have a Level 1-4 plan that allows people to live a relatively normal life alongside restrictions. They take action if the case numbers begin to rise.

The Canary Islands have a population of 2.2 million. 300k more than in Northern Ireland.

The regional government of the Canary Islands have shown what can be achieved, while keeping the risk to the population low from the virus. They have a plan and a strategy which is supported by the local population.

dalyboy · 14-02-2021 03:24PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Disgusting reprehensible granny killers

Yeah. Granny murdering is right.
Look at them with their PCR negative tests on departure and return and isolate afterwards.
Travel is soooooooo risky

weldoninhio · 14-02-2021 03:25PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So how are they distanced?

Or do you think there is a massive cohort of people out there who will sit in packed restaurants or bars with strangers breathing on them like it was 2019? Is that what you believe?

Also who will stay in the hotels that you want open?

It my local was open right now I’d be there whether there were 2 of us in it or 200 in it.

Gael23 · 14-02-2021 03:28PM

jams100 wrote: »

What I'm reading lately is both dangerous and reckless. They are now talking about continuing with restrictions even when all the over 50s are vaccinated.

At that point who the f**k are they protecting? The whole point of these restrictions was to protect the vulnerable, I've had several friends (all young-ish < 45) who have caught covid and not one had anything worse than a cold.

It's about time we start hearing dates for a return to normality, once all the over 50s or 60s are vaccinated then that's it everything should then be reopened bar maybe the likes of the 3arena which could be delayed for another while.

It's about time some politicians stood up and start asking questions, some of these immunologists are allowed to suggest anything without question, the latest one being that we won't return to normal until late spring 2022.

Where did you hear this?

ShyMets · 14-02-2021 03:29PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

It my local was open right now I’d be there whether there were 2 of us in it or 200 in it.

Granny killer:)

TheDoctor · 14-02-2021 03:30PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

It my local was open right now I’d be there whether there were 2 of us in it or 200 in it.

Same, but all my grandparents are dead so I'll need to be called something other than granny killer.

DylanJM · 14-02-2021 03:30PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How is that comparing like with like? They are small islands so zero covid is easy for them.

There are more pressing concerns than tourism here.

There not doing zero covid. The poster's point was that they have managed to control their cases while having considerably lesser restrictions than us.

Graham · 14-02-2021 03:33PM

Multipass wrote: »

They were shocked to hear about the restrictions we still have in Ireland - the Spanish were complaining that their restaurants have to close at 7 or 8pm.

Imagine how shocked they'll be when they discover there are parts of Spain where restaurants/bars are not permitted to open at all.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings