England vs Italy 6n 2021

bilston · 13-02-2021 4:25pm

awec wrote: »

Italy are awful

Maybe...but I thought last week they looked a bit more threatening with the ball, and actually they looked even better this week.

But they are as loose as anything in defence

Larbre34 · 13-02-2021 4:25pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

So you can hurdle a tackle as long as it's not dangerous?
Right.

This debate was had in the 2017 Lions with Kieran Read.

One mans vault is another mans dive for the line, or otherwise becomes a tackle in the air.

There is no law against jumping out of a tackle. If May boots the winger in the face as a result there, and the winger spits a few teeth or breaks his nose, then the ref can only penalise May under unsportsmanlike conduct, which as we know is a crock of shyt at the best of times.

No ref was going to deny May that score if there was no damage done to the Italian defender engaged in a hail mary slide, and there wasn't. End of story.

bilston · 13-02-2021 4:27pm

Faugheen wrote: »

How does Farrell get away with the way he talks to the referees?

I think the point he was making was fair...but he was too animated about it...he is lucky he wasn't marched back another 10.

razorblunt · 13-02-2021 4:27pm

beggars_bush wrote: »

They do it every single time

Yeah it’s just worse that it’s what led to the English 3rd try.

OldRio · 13-02-2021 4:27pm

It looks as though the English TV company doing the coverage are showing no replays of anything controversial that the ref is missing.

sydthebeat · 13-02-2021 4:27pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

So you can hurdle a tackle as long as it's not dangerous?
Right.

Shane Williams made a career of it.

You can't do anything dangerous.

May didn't

schmoo2k · 13-02-2021 4:27pm

fitz wrote: »

Seems a very flimsy interpretation...if there wasn't a tackle coming in he wouldn't have been jumping to stay in play.

I think the point is, if this happened in regular play it would 100% be a penalty, but your allowed to dive for the line (which is was as his hands landed first - like a dive into a pool)

sydthebeat · 13-02-2021 4:28pm

almostover wrote: »

Dangerous play

LOL

Clegg · 13-02-2021 4:28pm

Farrell is having s stinker.

fitz · 13-02-2021 4:28pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

This debate was had in the 2017 Lions with Kieran Read.

One mans vault is another mans dive for the line, or otherwise becomes a tackle in the air.

There is no law against jumping out of a tackle. If May boots the winger in the face as a result there, and the winger spits a few teeth or breaks his nose, then the ref can only penalise May under unsportsmanlike conduct, which as we know is a crock of shyt at the best of times.

No ref was going to deny May that score if there was no damage done to the Italian defender engaged in a hail mary slide, and there wasn't. End of story.

That's inconsistent with how laws are applied for
other dangerouss play... Tip tackle landing on head doesn't need to cause damage to be penalised as what it is: dangerous play. Same thing here imo.

theVersatile · 13-02-2021 4:29pm

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

9.27: Contrary to sportsmanship. Preventing an attempt to tackle would constitute this.

9.11: Dangerous play could also cover it.

Sidestepping is preventing an attempt to tackle. Should we penalise them too?

bilston · 13-02-2021 4:29pm

Whatever about the rest of their team, Garbisi looks like he is going to be seriously good. He will likely end up in the Top 14 soon enough

Edit - errrrrr I completely scudded him

Sanjuro · 13-02-2021 4:30pm

Why does an Italian player have 24 on his back?

Scratchly · 13-02-2021 4:30pm

England are so lucky they got Italy this week.

testtech05 · 13-02-2021 4:30pm

Was there a late hit on the scrum half in the build up to th intercept there

sydthebeat · 13-02-2021 4:30pm

bilston wrote: »

Whatever about the rest of their team, Garbisi looks like he is going to be seriously good. He will likely end up in the Top 14 soon enough

Edit - errrrrr I completely scudded him

Hex!

He's not been at his best today

thomond2006 · 13-02-2021 4:30pm

Watson has been phenomenal. MOTM as it stands.

razorblunt · 13-02-2021 4:30pm

Italy could really do with Polledri.

aloooof · 13-02-2021 4:30pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

This debate was had in the 2017 Lions with Kieran Read.

One mans vault is another mans dive for the line, or otherwise becomes a tackle in the air.

There is no law against jumping out of a tackle. If May boots the winger in the face as a result there, and the winger spits a few teeth or breaks his nose, then the ref can only penalise May under unsportsmanlike conduct, which as we know is a crock of shyt at the best of times.

No ref was going to deny May that score if there was no damage done to the Italian defender engaged in a hail mary slide, and there wasn't. End of story.

Trying to play Devil’s Advocate here (and I’m not sure either way) but just because it doesn’t result in dangerous play doesn’t mean it isn’t dangerous play.

beggars_bush · 13-02-2021 4:31pm

Where did he start his run from?

Clegg · 13-02-2021 4:31pm

That's a killer for Italy.

They had England reeling.

almostover · 13-02-2021 4:31pm

Farrell up to his old tricks. On review its harmless enough

theVersatile · 13-02-2021 4:31pm

No arms hit on Varney in the build up.

Edit: looked worse on the wide angle, though Sinkler went for the scumbag shot. Pen only?

razorblunt · 13-02-2021 4:31pm

Love to see this pulled back especially as it’s Farrell.

Joy has finally woken up.

fitz · 13-02-2021 4:31pm

Farrell with a cheap late shot??
I'm SHOCKED.

The Inbetween is mine · 13-02-2021 4:32pm

Try scrubbed off..and a yellow card

Scratchly · 13-02-2021 4:32pm

Farrell always good for a cheap shot

beggars_bush · 13-02-2021 4:32pm

He's not that kind of player etc

statesaver · 13-02-2021 4:32pm

Late alright.

Should be peno.

Larbre34 · 13-02-2021 4:32pm

fitz wrote: »

That's inconsistent with how laws are applied for
other dangerouss play... Tip tackle landing on head doesn't need to cause damage to be penalised as what it is: dangerous play. Same thing here imo.

An inconsistent rugby law application. I'm shocked I tells ya!

At best the refs supervisors will consider it during the week and might issue a missive, but I doubt it.

TomsOnTheRoof · 13-02-2021 4:32pm

theVersatile wrote: »

Sidestepping is preventing an attempt to tackle. Should we penalise them too?

The difference is that the man in the air can't be touched as the tackler gives away a penalty. So they are preventing a fair contest. There is also the fact that it is possibly dangerous play.