Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Hellraiser posted a list of TDs yesterday (Thanks for that btw) So this morning I made a list of senators and also some mental health charities who seem to be very very quiet in all this. I will be emailing them both. I will be adding senators to the TD list to voice my displeasure and also dismay at yet more leaks, dripping more doom and gloom into our lives via a hungry media desperate for the next headline or soundbite of misery and why there is no clarity whatsoever given on what these low numbers appear to be. I will be asking the charities why they have been so quiet and why none of them have highlighted in any visible way the toll this has taken on people.
And I can only speak for myself and those around me, but this time around, especially in the past few weeks a real anger has grown. I have noticed a turn in support for these measures which are viewed as ill thought out and lacking any real hope.

JRant wrote: »

Last time I checked we were still part of the EU, chief. They've made a complete stones of the vaccine procurement and roll out.

It was clear you were referring to our government.

JRant wrote: »

Oh, look, we have a tiny statistic that shows we have something completely meaningless. In relative terms we are miles behind other countries on first doses. The numbers left to be done are eye watering, especially as we are going to be under severe restrictions until everyone is done.

In reality there is very little difference to where the North are compared to where we are in terms of inoculation when it comes to restrictions.

If you insist on playing the Vaccine Cup, you will drive yourself mental.

It's a marathon not a sprint, to use that annoying phrase. Let's see where we are by the end of the summer.

pjohnson wrote: »

I wouldn't hold my breath

ah you're back , dropping in with your snide one liners yet never respond to the challenging questions on your opinons.
Bit one dimensional, no?

AdamD wrote: »

You're the only person saying 'let it rip'.

Dishonest as ****

What do you think the virus will do to a population with little immunity?

Boggles wrote: »

It was clear you were referring to our government.



In reality there is very little difference to where the North are compared to where we are in terms of inoculation when it comes to restrictions.

If you insist on playing the Vaccine Cup, you will drive yourself mental.

It's a marathon not a sprint, to use that annoying phrase. Let's see where we are by the end of the summer.

Sure but you've got to admit the EU have made an almighty balls of this so far in the vaccine roll out. They're even beginning to admit that much

paw patrol wrote: »

this is true.
whatever shambles FF and FG are presiding over.
Lets not forget SF and the rest are saying we should have MORE restrictions.

Let that sink in though , a lot of the left base would be working people of low/middle income....they are denying them a right to work and earn. surviving on PUP while the mortgage interest and unpaid bile pile up - not to mention the revenue coming looking for the taxes on the PUP.
What a betrayal.

It's actually frightening to see the only opposition in the Dail to the current lockdown policies are from the lunatic fringe who want more lockdown, more borrowed money, more long-term debt.

We are destroying our indigenous economy and paving the way for SF and their ilk to gain power in the next election and drive the FDIs out.

We are honestly staring down the barrel of a seismic shock to our standard of living which may never recover from the damage that is being done.

The people in power making these decisions have the least to lose. They are insulated and protected from the negative fallout. There is nobody willing to stick their necks out and question this madness. These people are paid a king's ransom to represent the people who elected them but they are cowards, happy to feather their own nests while the economy burns to the ground around them.

Never has so much money been wasted for so little benefit. This waste will have real and lasting consequences for every citizen of this country in the years and decades to come.

At this stage, our only hope is that some business leaders step up and legally challenge the Irish Government.

Quality vs Quantity

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I literally just thought the same thing listening to him talk about Joe Schmidt going to a wedding tonight.

Is the penny starting to drop?

If we continue to implement restrictions based on the metrics we are currently, we won’t ever relax restrictions.

First came flatten the curve, then came numbers are where we need them to be, then came the vaccine is nearly here one more push, and now here we are staring at months on end of stay at home measures and business closures

is tubridy the new Joseph Goebbels :pac:

will the media turn on him now?

BTownB wrote: »

Social distancing, handwashing, meeting up in small groups, mainly outside.
Rules around limited numbers in cafes, restaurants, etc. WFH where possible.

All this will prevent it 'ripping' through the population.

We tried all that.

Now you are forgetting the strategy been advocated is we don't go back into "lockdown", so the release valve is off the table.

It's been a disastrous policy in Sweden where they locked up there over 70s until they couldn't do it anymore, largely because of public opinion and largely because it wasn't working. Sweden are edging more towards us then us them, they are talking about preparing for the 3rd wave which is going down an absolute treat as you can imagine with an exhausted healthcare workforce.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

I’m not referring to people living to 95 though. You can have a stroke at 40, ordinarily easily overcome with immediate access to healthcare but a lot more difficult to do so if you’re waiting an hour to get into the entrance door of A&E.

I was left waiting two hours for an ambulance for someone with a fairly serious head injury in early January. All the ambulances were stuck in A&E waiting to unload their critically ill patients. That’s the reality of hospitals becoming overwhelmed.

Couple this with the fact that hospital admissions increase with increased social activity, which would go hand in hand with increased cases, it doesn’t paint a pretty picture.

Don’t get me wrong, this is absolutely **** for us all. It’s a terrible way to live. However I can see why the Government is doing what it is doing.

Right, it's a supply/demand problem. The current strategy is to decrease demand for health services. What are they doing to increase supply? We obviously cannot live this way forever, or even much longer.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/were-a-good-six-weeks-away-from-100-covid-cases-a-day-professor-philip-nolan-40082951.html

10 weeks away from 100 Covid cases a day. Another 4 weeks on top of that to maintain cases below 100. You're talking the middle of June at the earliest for some restrictions easing and even then it's "ifs and maybes" and if cases do shoot up after a week of eased restrictions were back to lockdown again? What are we doing here?

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

They’ll care once their mother or father who is suffering from a suspected heart attack is told their is no place for them in A&E. That’s the cold, hard reality of lifting restrictions rapidly and letting hospitals become overwhelmed.

Has there been any evidence of this happening so far in Ireland during the last 11 months?

BTownB wrote: »

Disastrous???

Sweden per 100k of population had a figure of 94, up to early Feb better than Bulgaria, Lithuania, Russia, Poland, Belgium, Britain, Spain, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Portugal, Hungary, Netherlands, Italy, Austria and France. A total of 15 countries in the EU.

I have no idea what a figure of 94 is, but are any of those countries preparing for their 3rd wave?

But again we talking about the effect of their strategy on society as a whole and their strategy as a whole.

They basically banished their over 70s from society until late October. People bang on about mental health and how the Swedes have aced it is complete nonsense.

I guess their mental and physical health doesn't really matter.

2 things are happening in Sweden at the moment.

People are sick of the voluntary restrictions and are giving up on them - which is natural, whatever restrictions you impose people will grow tired of and if those restrictions are voluntary, so the slack needs to be imposed legally which they have done.

The second thing that is happening is there is a growing movement highlight the failures of the strategy, they are basically fed up of the sickness and death.

That's a very dangerous pair of differing subsets 11 months into the pandemic.