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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,248 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭NSAman


    I am living in US also, but only for a couple of years.

    What do you mean things are on the slide? Over a 5, 10, 20, 40 year picture?

    9/11 obviously rocked things and the focus was on the military for a couple of years. Then the financial crash happened and things tumbled once again but in economic and employment terms things improved at a consistent rate since about 09 until 12 months ago.

    What have you in mind when say it is on the slide and you can see it every day?
    (I'm a tad underwhelmed at the level of education I have seen in some respects) and believe that Healthcare is quite a fiasco for it to be so unattainable for many and expensive for all. Job benefits in terms of job security, paid time off etc are miles behind what they are in Ireland but I suspect this has always been the case.

    Education levels are absolutely abysmal. I know in my own area, those kids that have smart parents are being home-schooled. Despite teachers trying their best, the curriculum is just so bad and being cut on a yearly basis. Yet, the school superintendents salaries seem to increase exponentially. Crazy stuff. What really brought it home to me with the difference in Children, was having an event (cultural) with kids participating. Home schooled kids were absolutely streets ahead of the kids going to regular schools.

    The Health system (and I am not fan pre-or-post Obamacare) has literally been made totally inaccessible for Many middle Americans due to Obama Care. Insurance companies left markets, ruining competition and pushing prices through the roof. I know in my own area there used to be 5 operators, this disappeared to 1.

    Workers in many states have zero rights. As an employer and also as someone from Europe, I am always shocked by how quickly an employee can be terminated. In my own businesses, I have only fired 3 people. All 3 were given warnings and basically did nothing. Usually, its "sorry pack your things, you are fired". My own businesses work on many European Principles which is why my staff stay with me, no one in this area treats their staff like we do.

    In all honesty, all you have to do is drive any freeway, look at the bridges. I am not sure what area you live in, I am in Mid-west, the level of neglect by the State and Federal govts in relation to Bridges is shocking. Granted there are Trophy Projects being built, but what of the thousands of overpasses that are disintegrating?

    As I said, when they do it right they do it right... e.g. I-90 from Rockford to Chicago.. Bridges Demolished and rebuilt (something like 50), New road Widened 2 lanes to 4 lanes either side), Speed limit increased, lit the whole way 70 miles.... All in under 2 years..... but Tollway. It can be done but private operators are involved. (Naas dual Carriageway between Naas and Newbridge take note)

    Work outside the major cities, Internet is non-existent for many. Kids leave hometowns and never go back, hometowns are dying.

    During the past 12 years I have seen certain parts of cities developed. Beautifully so, however, the planning of such development is often stymied by the local government officials due to the "friends and old boys networks" leaving beautiful developed areas to die as local government interests take priority over general population interests.... (not gonna call it corruption but it is)

    Sorry, I love living here, I have a great life. BUT..... so much of what should be done in the States and is NOT done.... leaves me feeling frustrated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Dont Japan, Greece, Italy, Portugal and a few others have a higher debt to gdp ratio than the United states?

    So USA don't have 28 TRILLION debt?
    The topic of debate is America, not the above.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    So USA don't have 28 TRILLION debt?
    The topic of debate is America, not the above.

    They do yes. But on an international comparative scale they are nowhere near the worst.
    Typing in caps lock makes no difference.

    Almost every country has debt. Some more than others

    Also the death rate per million people from mass public shootings in the years 2009-2015 inclusive put the United states in 11th position.
    As per the FEE (Foundation for economic education)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    They do yes. But on an international comparative scale they are nowhere near the worst.
    Typing in caps lock makes no difference.

    Almost every country has debt. Some more than others

    No country has that much debt.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No country has that much debt.

    No other country has a gdp of 22 trillion a year either.

    You are getting confused.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,888 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    They do yes. But on an international comparative scale they are nowhere near the worst.
    Typing in caps lock makes no difference.

    Almost every country has debt. Some more than others

    Also the death rate per million people from mass public shootings in the years 2009-2015 inclusive put the United states in 11th position.
    As per the FEE (Foundation for economic education)

    Care to list the ten previous to the USA or link to where you got this data?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Care to list the ten previous to the USA or link to where you got this data?

    I wrote where I got the data in the post. Link anyway

    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-us-leads-the-world-in-mass-shootings/


  • Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They do yes. But on an international comparative scale they are nowhere near the worst.
    Typing in caps lock makes no difference.

    Almost every country has debt. Some more than others

    Also the death rate per million people from mass public shootings in the years 2009-2015 inclusive put the United states in 11th position.
    As per the FEE (Foundation for economic education)

    And what about gun deaths in general? Do you notice anything in common about the countries above it?

    V3qsSyc.png

    Here is the data you should be looking at.

    495px-2010_homicide_suicide_rates_high-income_countries.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,134 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    NSAman wrote: »
    Education levels are absolutely abysmal. I know in my own area, those kids that have smart parents are being home-schooled. Despite teachers trying their best, the curriculum is just so bad and being cut on a yearly basis. Yet, the school superintendents salaries seem to increase exponentially. Crazy stuff. What really brought it home to me with the difference in Children, was having an event (cultural) with kids participating. Home schooled kids were absolutely streets ahead of the kids going to regular schools.

    The Health system (and I am not fan pre-or-post Obamacare) has literally been made totally inaccessible for Many middle Americans due to Obama Care. Insurance companies left markets, ruining competition and pushing prices through the roof. I know in my own area there used to be 5 operators, this disappeared to 1.

    Workers in many states have zero rights. As an employer and also as someone from Europe, I am always shocked by how quickly an employee can be terminated. In my own businesses, I have only fired 3 people. All 3 were given warnings and basically did nothing. Usually, its "sorry pack your things, you are fired". My own businesses work on many European Principles which is why my staff stay with me, no one in this area treats their staff like we do.

    In all honesty, all you have to do is drive any freeway, look at the bridges. I am not sure what area you live in, I am in Mid-west, the level of neglect by the State and Federal govts in relation to Bridges is shocking. Granted there are Trophy Projects being built, but what of the thousands of overpasses that are disintegrating?

    As I said, when they do it right they do it right... e.g. I-90 from Rockford to Chicago.. Bridges Demolished and rebuilt (something like 50), New road Widened 2 lanes to 4 lanes either side), Speed limit increased, lit the whole way 70 miles.... All in under 2 years..... but Tollway. It can be done but private operators are involved. (Naas dual Carriageway between Naas and Newbridge take note)

    Work outside the major cities, Internet is non-existent for many. Kids leave hometowns and never go back, hometowns are dying.

    During the past 12 years I have seen certain parts of cities developed. Beautifully so, however, the planning of such development is often stymied by the local government officials due to the "friends and old boys networks" leaving beautiful developed areas to die as local government interests take priority over general population interests.... (not gonna call it corruption but it is)

    Sorry, I love living here, I have a great life. BUT..... so much of what should be done in the States and is NOT done.... leaves me feeling frustrated.

    See, I'd read that and I'd say that this is where a Federal Government should be providing an overarching structure or philosophy which is implemented on a state by state level as appropriate rather than saying that the federal government should stay out of things and let states decide what to focus on themselves (Which you haven't specifically said).

    By all means, let them prioritise and do things in a way which best suits their local preference, but let them do so within a largely federal framework or understanding.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    And what about gun deaths in general? Do you notice anything in common about the countries above it?

    V3qsSyc.png

    Here is the data you should be looking at.

    495px-2010_homicide_suicide_rates_high-income_countries.png

    Does that chart say that Ireland has about the 2nd or 3rd highest homicide rate by firearm per 100,000 out of all high income countries?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,098 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42



    Even a cursory review of the findings shows major issues with the statistics used, how they complied, not taking account of frequency over size and where the author gets funding.

    But all of that is academic. The US has a very serious issue with guns, gun control and shootings. To argue that only being 11th worst in the world is exactly the same argument that Trump used about Covid.

    'Hey, we aren't the absolute worst so what are you complaining about?'

    Before one can deal with a problem one needs to acknowledge it exists.


  • Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Does that chart say that Ireland has about the 2nd or 3rd highest homicide rate by firearm per 100,000 out of all high income countries?

    Yes, in 2010 at least. Data is from here.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26551975/

    And here is the table.
    7DUdrXS.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    You gotta love these types of mashups, pretty sure someone here is keeping count..

    https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1359961152336220165?s=19

    Obama and EOs... He's not a king

    Trump and EOs... He is the best, you go tiger

    Biden and EOs... What the hell is he doing, he's not a king!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    495px-2010_homicide_suicide_rates_high-income_countries.png

    Ireland on higher end (relatively) of homicides there which is surprising to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Yes, in 2010 at least. Data is from here.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26551975/

    And here is the table.
    7DUdrXS.png

    It appears you are correct and my source is flawed and has cooked the numbers


  • Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It appears you are correct and my source is flawed and has cooked the numbers

    Your source is not wrong, we are talking about different things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    No other country has a gdp of 22 trillion a year either.

    You are getting confused.
    https://countryeconomy.com/deficit

    Set it to 'deficit (%GDP)' and take a look at the list of countries higher than the US.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    Ireland on higher end (relatively) of homicides there which is surprising to me.

    At first glance it is surprising, but the amount of gangland killings when compared to our population, it then kind of makes sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭newhouse87




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,248 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    newhouse87 wrote: »

    Have we given up on taking swings at Joe Biden and are now content with lashing out at someone else entirely?

    Have we absolutely nothing negative to say about Biden in a thread dedicated to commentary on his presidency?

    What a ringing endorsement of 46!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Have we given up on taking swings at Joe Biden and are now content with lashing out at someone else entirely?

    Have we absolutely nothing negative to say about Biden in a thread dedicated to commentary on his presidency?

    What a ringing endorsement of 46!

    Point me to one post where i criticized Biden? I have repeatedly said i rather Biden to trump and any current republican even though i would consider myself conservative, just because i criticized a dem correctly you jump to conclusions, you need to calm down its 9am. Again deflection from the actual post of the disgraceful behavior of Cuomo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,954 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    newhouse87 wrote: »
    Point me to one post where i criticized Biden? I have repeatedly said i rather Biden to trump and any current republican even though i would consider myself conservative, just because i criticized a dem correctly you jump to conclusions, you need to calm down its 9am. Again deflection from the actual post of the disgraceful behavior of Cuomo.

    what is the relevancy of cuomo to a thread on Biden?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,248 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    newhouse87 wrote: »
    Point me to one post where i criticized Biden? I have repeatedly said i rather Biden to trump and any current republican even though i would consider myself conservative, just because i criticized a dem correctly you jump to conclusions, you need to calm down its 9am. Again deflection from the actual post of the disgraceful behavior of Cuomo.

    My point is, and you have completely missed it, is that this is a thread about Biden.

    ^^^^^
    See the title up there?

    Posters in here have been trying to post negative comment and embarrassed themselves in the process.

    What appears to be happening now is that you have posted something negative about Cuomo... in Biden's thread.

    You see the issue?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    everlast75 wrote: »
    My point is, and you have completely missed it, is that this is a thread about Biden.

    ^^^^^
    See the title up there?

    Posters in here have been trying to post negative comment and embarrassed themselves in the process.

    What appears to be happening now is that you have posted something negative about Cuomo... in Biden's thread.

    You see the issue?

    Yes and you have missed my point , i was hoping the Biden admin DOJ will investigate. Would you not think it warrants further investigation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    what is the relevancy of cuomo to a thread on Biden?

    DOJ should be investigating, all part of bidens admin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,819 ✭✭✭quokula


    newhouse87 wrote: »
    DOJ should be investigating, all part of bidens admin.

    Depends what actually happened. The only source of a cover up is some right wing rags with no interest in reporting truthfully, reporting what they say some low level junior staffer said.

    If you look at the original reports from AP and the like, it suggests that there were simply delays and confusion in data coming out of nursing homes.

    The crux of it is that Cuomo wrongly directed that covid patients be released back from hospitals to nursing homes after 9 days, when they could have still been infectious. But this was actually a federal directive at the time which the state simply followed. They reversed the directive in May.

    It's easy to forget how much less knowledge there was about the virus at that time, and how completely swamped hospitals were in New York, with tough on the spot decisions needing to be made.

    The right wing rags and the Republicans will of course want to turn this into a political football, but if they start reexamining decisions political leaders made in the early days of the pandemic, it's not the Dems that will end up looking bad. Even Cuomo's big sin was just following what came down from a federal level.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    quokula wrote: »
    Depends what actually happened. The only source of a cover up is some right wing rags with no interest in reporting truthfully, reporting what they say some low level junior staffer said.

    If you look at the original reports from AP and the like, it suggests that there were simply delays and confusion in data coming out of nursing homes.

    The crux of it is that Cuomo wrongly directed that covid patients be released back from hospitals to nursing homes after 9 days, when they could have still been infectious. But this was actually a federal directive at the time which the state simply followed. They reversed the directive in May.

    It's easy to forget how much less knowledge there was about the virus at that time, and how completely swamped hospitals were in New York, with tough on the spot decisions needing to be made.

    The right wing rags and the Republicans will of course want to turn this into a political football, but if they start reexamining decisions political leaders made in the early days of the pandemic, it's not the Dems that will end up looking bad. Even Cuomo's big sin was just following what came down from a federal level.

    A TOP aide said they essentially froze the data, im saying the DOJ should at least investigate, thats all, im not expecting any comment from Biden just a DOJ investigation, don't think that's asking for too much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,080 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    newhouse87 wrote: »
    A junior aide said they essentially froze the data, im saying the DOJ should at least investigate, thats all, im not expecting any comment from Biden just a DOJ investigation, don't think that's asking for too much.

    No


    You said the DOJ should investigate all parts of the Biden Admin.


    That's bizarre. Why why would they need to do that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    listermint wrote: »
    No


    You said the DOJ should investigate all parts of the Biden Admin.


    That's bizarre. Why why would they need to do that.
    What ?you misunderstood me. I never said that, i said bidens admin DOJ should investigate Cuomo's handling of the pandemic data.


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