Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

khalessi · 11-02-2021 04:47PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Forgot about the gossiping as well.

You also forgot you are in Mauritius with the oul sun tan lotion

JP100 · 11-02-2021 04:47PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

I wasn't speaking for everyone, you decided I was and dismissively described ny opinion as coming from "la la land".

This is clearly going nowhere. Bye

The posts and their context is there in black and white for all to see. So yes, indeed, moving on...

JP100 · 11-02-2021 04:47PM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

Very true. Its an absolute disgrace.

Yep, and will be left as usual for principals to take the flack for such shortfalls.

wirelessdude01 · 11-02-2021 04:50PM

khalessi wrote: »

You also forgot you are in Mauritius with the oul sun tan lotion

Far East I'll have you know!!

khalessi · 11-02-2021 04:51PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Far East I'll have you know!!

Wexford Waterford dont count as Far East

Warbeastrior · 11-02-2021 05:16PM

Lillyfae wrote:

The money isn't coming out of their own pockets, they were supplied with budgets to purchase them.

Those budgets may not have been supplied in time or will be. Highly doubt a lot of principals simultaneously forgot to order proper masks for their staff. The odd one of course but not as many as I've seen today in our union group.

penny piper · 11-02-2021 05:52PM

Deeec wrote: »

Penny this is the post I replied to you on. I am still taking it as an insult and a very ill informed post. I think you should read what you posted again. I did not insult teachers in my reply to you. I apologise if you found my post patronising - I did not mean to insult you. Sorry for assuming your children are in there 30's.

I dont want to discuss this any further.

I genuinely believe there are alot of people who are posting on these boards do come across as though their children are some kind of burden to them. It's not going to "kill" parents to make an effort to help with their children's education during this period.
The part where i mentioned about people who don't have children have every right to comment referred to a previous poster who basically said that if you don't have children you have no right to comment. You picked up on this without obviously knowing it was a point aimed at that poster..
I didn't say at all you insulted teachers. My children are both only young teachers.
thank you for your apology and sorry for confusing you.
Likewise I will not comment on this further.

emo72 · 11-02-2021 06:05PM

If I hear that word "clarity" again I think I'll go nuclear. "Clarity" is always a week away.

jrosen · 11-02-2021 06:32PM

JP100 wrote: »

The constitution recognises parents as the primary educators of their children and it is a role that unfortunately some parents take much much less seriously than others. Teaching their children is somebody else's problem and somebody else's job entirely which is a pity and a great detriment to theses children. Teachers will come and go but the parents are the one constant in the lives of the children.

As for your other point, yes relations between parents and teachers should always be worked upon and kept very good. I just hope that after this pandemic that when a school addresses a concern that they may have about a child in school, that some parents who wouldn't have previously done can now better see the problem from all angles.

Teaching life skills or baking etc yeah sure my job. Teaching Irish not so much. Being a child’s primary educator does not mean a parent can suddenly take over their formal education. Teachers are trained to teach.

Its good to see you have good relationships but it has not been my experience with the Irish education system. It took for a time abroad to see it though different eyes. Pre covid we would never have had an email address for a teacher. As parents we had no direct way to contact a teacher. Call the school, hope someone answers hope a message is relayed and teacher calls back. It was ok at primary but **** show at secondary. 5 minute timers at parent teacher meetings. Parents very much on the outside. Zero communication. First you would hear of an issue or a student falling behind was end of year report or PT meetings. Thankfully now things are different. It has made an incredible difference to have the lines of communication we have now. I hope it stays and we have covid to thank for it. But it’s sad it has taken a pandemic to have our schools take a different approach.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 07:09PM

PT meetings at 2nd level aren't the easiest thing to manage. A teacher could have 1-3 classes in any given year with 25-60-odd students. Be some length of a PT meeting if all parents took 5 mins.

On reporting, I wud have thought schools wud send October midterm results, Xmas results, February midterm results, Easter results and Summer results?

A student not working/struggling shud be fairly obvious from that data.

Stateofyou · 11-02-2021 07:09PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2021/0211/1196583-leaving-cert/

Breaking ASTI withdraws from talks with Education Dept over Leaving Cert

Calling on the minister to re-establish the focus of the talks "so that a meaningful Leaving Certificate experience is provided to this cohort of students, which they rightly deserve," Mr Christie said that "given the widely accepted additional stress that students are currently experiencing, it is extraordinary that the only option being explored is that they would effectively prepare for two versions of a Leaving Certificate rather than one".

C__MC · 11-02-2021 07:16PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2021/0211/1196583-leaving-cert/

Breaking ASTI withdraws from talks with Education Dept over Leaving Cert

Calling on the minister to re-establish the focus of the talks "so that a meaningful Leaving Certificate experience is provided to this cohort of students, which they rightly deserve," Mr Christie said that "given the widely accepted additional stress that students are currently experiencing, it is extraordinary that the only option being explored is that they would effectively prepare for two versions of a Leaving Certificate rather than one".

Some mess

jrosen · 11-02-2021 07:19PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

PT meetings at 2nd level aren't the easiest thing to manage. You could have 1-3 classes in any given year with 25-60-odd students. Be some length of a PT meeting if all parents took 5 mins.

On reporting, I wud have thought schools wud send October midterm results, Xmas results, February midterm results, Easter results and Summer results?

A student not working/struggling shud be fairly obvious from that data.

If there is no other communication a 5 minute meeting once a year doesnt cut it. We dont get any other updates.

As I said already parents are not teachers. Secondary students take subjects their parents have never taken, have no experience of. So if that student falls behind, unless the teacher contacts the parents how would they know. Valuable time is lost when there is no communication.

Thankfully covid has forced hands at our school and I hope it stays that way.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 07:22PM

jrosen wrote: »

If there is no other communication a 5 minute meeting once a year doesnt cut it. We dont get any other updates.

As I said already parents are not teachers. Secondary students take subjects their parents have never taken, have no experience of. So if that student falls behind, unless the teacher contacts the parents how would they know. Valuable time is lost when there is no communication.

Thankfully covid has forced hands at our school and I hope it stays that way.

Wud assume all teachers available for a call thro the office or parents can arrange a meeting too during the school year, wudnt be unheard of.

am_zarathustra · 11-02-2021 07:34PM

It's also a time issue. I'm a year head, I talk to 10% of the parents/guardians very regularly because of issues. This takes most of my communication time and honestly little changes. Unfortunately I then spend less time on the other 90% of parents who would probably gain actual value from interaction but their kids are ok, and ok never makes it to a list. But I would always call a parent back of they contacted me and certainly wouldn't have any issue with them having my email, I'd much prefer it that way as it eliminates timing issues. I would say though that classroom teachers really have no obligation to speak to parents outside of parent teachers, most will oblige but sometimes people have bad experiences that makes them wary about opening that kind of dialogue.

quarryman · 11-02-2021 07:37PM

penny piper wrote: »

It's not going to "kill" parents to make an effort to help with their children's education during this period.

Please tell me this is a joke.

Have you any idea how difficult parents have it right now trying to educate their children while also working 9-5 jobs to pay the bills?

gifted · 11-02-2021 07:40PM

quarryman wrote: »

Please tell me this is a joke.

Have you any idea how difficult parents have it right now trying to educate their children while also working 9-5 jobs to pay the bills?

Yes we do....and we just get on with it....it's bloody hard but there are people out there with real problems like death and the like so we don't complain...it's not going to last forever.

wirelessdude01 · 11-02-2021 07:43PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2021/0211/1196583-leaving-cert/

Breaking ASTI withdraws from talks with Education Dept over Leaving Cert

Calling on the minister to re-establish the focus of the talks "so that a meaningful Leaving Certificate experience is provided to this cohort of students, which they rightly deserve," Mr Christie said that "given the widely accepted additional stress that students are currently experiencing, it is extraordinary that the only option being explored is that they would effectively prepare for two versions of a Leaving Certificate rather than one".

Wonder if Norma is gone in with an agenda of what she wants?

khalessi · 11-02-2021 07:45PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Wonder if Norma is gone in with an agenda of what she wants?

well she has form:rolleyes:

Locotastic · 11-02-2021 07:46PM

penny piper wrote: »

My comment was not at all insulting to parents...

You don't think so?

penny piper wrote: »

I really don't see why some people have children...the majority of parents on here just seem to complain about their children...the hard work....no time to do anything with them.....blah blah.....

Here's an idea, try saying that to a parents face, come back and let us know if they are insulted.

Hint....I'd imagine they'll be pretty angry (and insulted).

quarryman · 11-02-2021 07:46PM

gifted wrote: »

Yes we do....and we just get on with it....it's bloody hard but there are people out there with real problems like death and the like so we don't complain...it's not going to last forever.

I see. So parents with special needs children who are regressing massively, suffering acute psychological issues, parents needing anti-depressants, getting made redundant because they can't do their jobs should just "get on with it" because, ye know, they're not dying or something actually important?

downthemiddle · 11-02-2021 07:52PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Have the principals forgotten to order them?

What a wonderful post. I wonder why people think you have an anti teacher agenda when you radiate such positivity.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 08:00PM

The Dept scrambling for a Plan B in February of the 2nd academic year in a pandemic is embarrassing.

gifted · 11-02-2021 08:01PM

quarryman wrote: »

I see. So parents with special needs children who are regressing massively, suffering acute psychological issues, parents needing anti-depressants, getting made redundant because they can't do their jobs should just "get on with it" because, ye know, they're not dying or something actually important?

But you didn't ask that...you asked ...

"Have you any idea how difficult parents have it right now trying to educate their children while also working 9-5 jobs to pay the bills?"

Make up your mind ted.....ask one question but don't be playing the keyboard warrior by then asking a different question because you didn't like the answer.

billy_beckham · 11-02-2021 08:16PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Wonder if Norma is gone in with an agenda of what she wants?

khalessi wrote: »

well she has form:rolleyes:

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

The Dept scrambling for a Plan B in February of the 2nd academic year in a pandemic is embarrassing.

I don't know exactly what has happened, don't think any of yee were round the table either?

But the default is to hammer the Department and its Minister......to me it looks like, once again, a Teaching Union is trying to call the shots....It knows best!

penny piper · 11-02-2021 08:16PM

Locotastic wrote: »

You don't think so?

Here's an idea, try saying that to a parents face, come back and let us know if they are insulted.

Hint....I'd imagine they'll be pretty angry (and insulted).

Why would I need to say that to a parent's face? It's an opinion based on alot of the comments on boards.ie...

Sometimes the truth hurts...maybe some people should think before they comment.....

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 08:20PM

billy_beckham wrote: »

I don't know exactly what has happened, don't think any of yee were round the table either?

But the default is to hammer the Department and its Minister......to me it looks like, once again, a Teaching Union is trying to call the shots....It knows best!

Hiya Billy, how's David? Behaving himself I hope.

Reminds me, whatever happened that Rebecca wan?

edit- doesn't really matter what happened round the table tho does it?

Fact they're still arsing round looking for a Plan in Feb is bad enuf on its own, regardless if the union was totally at fault today

Locotastic · 11-02-2021 08:24PM

quarryman wrote: »

I see. So parents with special needs children who are regressing massively, suffering acute psychological issues, parents needing anti-depressants, getting made redundant because they can't do their jobs should just "get on with it" because, ye know, they're not dying or something actually important?

It's awful and hard to see the end game right now. I try to fast forward myself mentally to a time when this is a distant memory but it's just dragging on and on like some sick groundhog day.

'Get on with it' will safely make it into the dictionary of irritating covid terms. Along with, new normal, unprecedented, stay home, stay safe, wash your hands, cocooning, we're all in this together, the next 6 weeks are crucial, flatten the curve, variants and social distancing (remember a time when we had never heard of that).

mcsean2163 · 11-02-2021 08:25PM

gifted wrote: »

But you didn't ask that...you asked ...

"Have you any idea how difficult parents have it right now trying to educate their children while also working 9-5 jobs to pay the bills?"

Make up your mind ted.....ask one question but don't be playing the keyboard warrior by then asking a different question because you didn't like the answer.

There we have it folks. Parents of special needs children are not .... drumroll... parents.

Fwiw I don't share that horrible sentiment.

Locotastic · 11-02-2021 08:26PM

penny piper wrote: »

Sometimes the truth hurts...maybe some people should think before they comment.....

Yeah you should, because you wouldn't dare say it to someones face. Unless you really are that oblivious and can't see how insulting it is.

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01