What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

latency89 · 10-02-2021 04:45PM

brickster69 wrote: »

Probably gone by now. Boris sent a plane over as soon as he heard.

Haha laughed at that lol, fair play to him.

More than that muppet Martin has done anyway, he's only been in since September, feels like September 2010

Sconsey · 10-02-2021 04:54PM

The Belgian plant that AZ have been blaming for the shortages have now come out and said they have delivered all they were contracted to deliver...no production problems.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AA24Q

deeperlearning · 10-02-2021 05:03PM

Greta Sweet Ballerina wrote: »

So AZ approved for all ages by WHO. Likelihood of diverging from EMA and following WHO so we can give over 70s this vaccine?

The EMA authorised the AZ vaccine for all ages.

Switzerland and the US have declined to authorise AZ for anyone until more data is available.

Germany, Austria, Sweden, France, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain and Poland are currently only recommending it for people under 65, and Italy and Belgium for those under 55.

10-02-2021 05:12PM

deeperlearning wrote: »

Venture capitalist Kate Bingham who led UK Government's Vaccine Taskforce considers it a great success...

Well, there's a shocker.

In the words of the eponymous Mandy Rice-Davies, "Well she would, wouldn't she!".

How would you describe it and what does her being a venture capitalist have to do with it?

Dyr · 10-02-2021 05:40PM

brickster69 wrote: »

WHO approves AZ for all ages.

Macron spotted jumping from a bridge on the River Seine

Perhaps the Chinese gave the WHO permission to approve it

Dyr · 10-02-2021 05:47PM

deeperlearning wrote: »

Venture capitalist Kate Bingham who led UK Government's Vaccine Taskforce considers it a great success...

Well, there's a shocker.

In the words of the eponymous Mandy Rice-Davies, "Well she would, wouldn't she!".

UK has now vaccinated more people than the EU has, she probably considers that grounds to call their roll out a success, how naive

But you know better eh? To borrow another quote "She's attractive successful in an obvious way"

is_that_so · 10-02-2021 05:54PM

AstraZeneca to build a German plant but it won't be up and running until the end of next year.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/10/astrazeneca-to-build-new-covid-19-vaccine-facility-in-germany

brickster69 · 10-02-2021 06:06PM

Bambi wrote: »

UK has now vaccinated more people than the EU has, she probably considers that grounds to call their roll out a success, how naive

But you know better eh? To borrow another quote "She's attractive successful in an obvious way"

Considering the UK's obvious past failures, it does look like a good appointment to give someone the job, that has 25 years experience in this sector, has the connections to just pick the phone up and call these big companies bosses up anytime she wishes.

titan18 · 10-02-2021 06:13PM

is_that_so wrote: »

AstraZeneca to build a German plant but it won't be up and running until the end of next year.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/10/astrazeneca-to-build-new-covid-19-vaccine-facility-in-germany

Useless then

deeperlearning · 10-02-2021 06:16PM

Bambi wrote: »

UK has now vaccinated more people than the EU has, she probably considers that grounds to call their roll out a success, how naive

But you know better eh? To borrow another quote "She's attractive successful in an obvious way"

Kate, it that you?

polesheep · 10-02-2021 06:17PM

titan18 wrote: »

Useless then

You won't say that when you're getting your annual Covid vaccine in 2023.

deeperlearning · 10-02-2021 06:22PM

According to AZ, updated vaccines that will be effective against N501Y and E484K variants of the virus should be available before the end of the year.

brickster69 · 10-02-2021 06:29PM

Early day but sounds interesting

https://newsfilter.io/articles/astrazenecas-covid-19-antibody-therapy-undergoes-nih-funded-study-5a39378533aa616539abebe9f3bd47b3

deeperlearning · 10-02-2021 06:43PM

The problem with the antibody therapies is that they are failing against variants of the virus. However, they have saved lives in this wave.

humberklog · 10-02-2021 07:00PM

deeperlearning wrote: »

Venture capitalist Kate Bingham who led UK Government's Vaccine Taskforce considers it a great success...

Well, there's a shocker.

In the words of the eponymous Mandy Rice-Davies, "Well she would, wouldn't she!".

Did you read the article?
Yes she considers it a success because so far it is. Boris put the right person into the right position at the right time and she did the job required, so far so good.
Here's the opening part of the article (where La Republibblica and Die Welt ask how she achieved success, she didn't come charging down a mountain on a white horse declaring her strategy a success):

La Repubblica and Die Welt: Kate Bingham, how did you achieve this successful vaccine program? How did you know which of the vaccines to pick?
Bingham: “The instruction I was given by the Prime Minister was to save lives as soon as possible, so we had a very clear goal. We had a very clear focus on being quick and securing the most promising vaccines for the UK as soon as possible. That was my number one priority and what we did. I’m a venture capitalist in my whole job, I've spent all my life building companies, developing new pharmaceuticals. So my whole job has always been: look at science, look at data, and then decide what the risks are. And if, from my perspective, it's an attractive investment or whether or not we should be building a company around that area of science.”

Now compare that conversation with Ursula's speech today.

10-02-2021 07:05PM

They did appear to treat it in a proper venture capital way. Not just investing in a company in the hope of success, but actually investing time and effort in to taking the product to market.

It’s proper dragons den stuff, on a somewhat larger and more important scale.

brickster69 · 10-02-2021 07:16PM

Aegir wrote: »

They did appear to treat it in a proper venture capital way. Not just investing in a company in the hope of success, but actually investing time and effort in to taking the product to market.

It’s proper dragons den stuff, on a somewhat larger and more important scale.

I think that by using the experience from the PPE disaster they also understood that by having the research, material supplies, production and distribution all under one roof was essential.

deeperlearning · 10-02-2021 10:09PM

Rolling out the AstraZeneca vaccine in January/February 2021 in the face of emerging coronavirus variants is like rolling out the flu vaccine in January/February 2020 in the face of the emerging coronavirus in Wuhan.

While there may be some short term gains, it will prove ultimately useless.

Happydays2020 · 10-02-2021 10:14PM

Aegir wrote: »

They did appear to treat it in a proper venture capital way. Not just investing in a company in the hope of success, but actually investing time and effort in to taking the product to market.

It’s proper dragons den stuff, on a somewhat larger and more important scale.

But does the vaccine work?

latency89 · 10-02-2021 10:23PM

deeperlearning wrote: »

Rolling out the AstraZeneca vaccine in January/February 2021 in the face of emerging coronavirus variants is like rolling out the flu vaccine in January/February 2020 in the face of the emerging coronavirus in Wuhan.

While there may be some short term gains, it will prove ultimately useless.

True

If its used by the masses, it will just force the e484k substitution variants in Brazil, South Africa and god knows where else to become dominant strains worldwide

It can be used if you lockdown your border and don't let in those strains, but what's the point of that?

Stark · 10-02-2021 10:41PM

The vaccine is still partially effective against those strains. A lot better than nothing.

HBC08 · 10-02-2021 10:44PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

From the HSE website re: AstraZeneca

“second dose will be at least:

84 days (12 full weeks) after your first dose if you get the AstraZeneca vaccine”

I got the AZ jab today,2nd dose is May 5th,12 weeks.

astrofool · 11-02-2021 12:31AM

deeperlearning wrote: »

Rolling out the AstraZeneca vaccine in January/February 2021 in the face of emerging coronavirus variants is like rolling out the flu vaccine in January/February 2020 in the face of the emerging coronavirus in Wuhan.

While there may be some short term gains, it will prove ultimately useless.

Completely untrue and not remotely comparable. This is a complete and utter bald faced lie.

So, come on, and put your reasoning in place, use data and science to do so, and have at it.

astrofool · 11-02-2021 12:32AM

latency89 wrote: »

True

If its used by the masses, it will just force the e484k substitution variants in Brazil, South Africa and god knows where else to become dominant strains worldwide

It can be used if you lockdown your border and don't let in those strains, but what's the point of that?

Not true, you are also spreading lies. Again, use data and science to back these assertions before blindly pushing them.

ongarite · 11-02-2021 09:53AM

Belgian plant contracted to produce vaccine denies any production delays and produced all doses.

https://www.politico.eu/article/belgian-plant-blamed-for-astrazeneca-vaccine-shortage-says-it-met-all-deliveries/

McGiver · 11-02-2021 10:43AM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

So that means AZ lied? why arent their executives dragged in front of EU parliament and council? Their balls need to be put close to the fire if there was any lies and shenanigans or worse selling to highest bidder.

I believe the EC/EP were talking about a public hearing. Not sure when and how.

Sam Russell · 11-02-2021 10:46AM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

So that means AZ lied? why arent their executives dragged in front of EU parliament and council? Their balls need to be put close to the fire if there was any lies and shenanigans or worse selling to highest bidder.

I would guess it was political pressure that was put on AZ by the UK Gov. For the last two days, the UK has reported over 1,000 deaths from Covid. They are giving the first dose to as many as they can, but not giving the second dose to very many.

They have failed at so many stages in this dreadful disease, and hopefully their approach to vaccinations will work, even if it outside of the scientific evidence at the time they deployed it. The NHS is buckling under the overwhelming numbers presenting for treatment.

monkeybutter · 11-02-2021 10:48AM

ongarite wrote: »

Belgian plant contracted to produce vaccine denies any production delays and produced all doses.

https://www.politico.eu/article/belgian-plant-blamed-for-astrazeneca-vaccine-shortage-says-it-met-all-deliveries/

All the EUs fault I tells ya

brickster69 · 11-02-2021 11:18AM

Sam Russell wrote: »

The NHS is buckling under the overwhelming numbers presenting for treatment.

You sure about that ?

https://twitter.com/HealthDataUK1/status/1359638361598808071/photo/1

Icantthinkof1 · 11-02-2021 11:27AM

HBC08 wrote: »

I got the AZ jab today,2nd dose is May 5th,12 weeks.

Great that you’re given a date for the 2nd vaccine at the first appointment.
How are you feeling- any side effects?
I’m waiting on the call to get mine

What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

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