Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

Gael23 · 10-02-2021 5:11pm

DessieJames wrote: »

Belfast will become very busy then guaranteed.

Will be a bumper year for Belfast international airport

josip · 10-02-2021 5:13pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

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It's pretty evident at this stage that the Government will not permit non-essential travel abroad throughout the summer - i.e. holidaying abroad.

I've added your post's URL to a June 1st reminder that I've set.
I'm very curious to see which way it transpires.

DessieJames · 10-02-2021 5:14pm

Gael23 wrote: »

Will be a bumper year for Belfast international airport

certainly will, looks like we'll be traveling to and from Belfast for the summer holiday so.

agoodpunt · 10-02-2021 5:15pm

If we stop flights airlines will give up slots and abandon our airports making it more difficult and expensive for separated families to meet in the future probably have to hub through another european/uk airport

Coybig_ · 10-02-2021 5:24pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The UK is about to introduce strict hotel quarantine requirements and it specifically states that Irish residents are included in the plan.

I'm not sure people will be willing to pay €2,000 for the privilege of quarantining in a hotel for 10 days in Northern Ireland if they aren't willing to be handed a €2,000 fine at Dublin Airport.

They have, at the very least, promised a review of the situation once their adult population is vaccinated. Which will happen far earlier than ours.

Gael23 · 10-02-2021 5:24pm

Australia who have a zero Covid policy are hoping all going well to reopen international tourism in early 2022

DessieJames · 10-02-2021 5:25pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The UK is about to introduce strict hotel quarantine requirements and it specifically states that Irish residents are included in the plan.

I'm not sure people will be willing to pay €2,000 for the privilege of quarantining in a hotel for 10 days in Northern Ireland if they aren't willing to be handed a €2,000 fine at Dublin Airport.

i think you got it wrong here mate in this instance,phew thats a relief you had me worired there.

https://www.gov.uk/uk-border-control/self-isolating-when-you-arrive

When you do not need to self-isolate (exempt countries, territories and regions)
You do not need to self-isolate in England if you’re travelling from Ireland, the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man.

You must have spent the last 10 days in one of these places, or the UK.

Santan · 10-02-2021 5:31pm

I will give this government one thing, they have done an excellent job of divide and conquer on this nation. People spying on people, families been shamed over visiting parents houses, cutting off families from seeing each other for over a year, be it people choosing not to travel back to Ireland for fear of parents been shamed because of it, or elderly parents locked in nursing homes not seeing or holding loved ones for the best part of a year. While all this goes on, a useless and slow vaccination program, no real forward thinking, just extend lockdown, blame anything else but don't mention the amount of cases coming from hospitals, and also make sure any negative news on the government is announced while focusing the people on something else, wet pubs, restaurants, travel, hairdressers. I am disgusted that oap's are being vilified for going to live in the canarias or wherever for a few months, to get away from miserable weather, to a safe location, this is what has happened to Ireland and in what, 6 months, doesn't take long to be able to turn people on each other.

DessieJames · 10-02-2021 5:34pm

Santan wrote: »

I will give this government one thing, they have done an excellent job of divide and conquer on this nation. People spying on people, families been shamed over visiting parents houses, cutting off families from seeing each other for over a year, be it people choosing not to travel back to Ireland for fear of parents been shamed because of it, or elderly parents locked in nursing homes not seeing or holding loved ones for the best part of a year. While all this goes on, a useless and slow vaccination program, no real forward thinking, just extend lockdown, blame anything else but don't mention the amount of cases coming from hospitals, and also make sure any negative news on the government is announced while focusing the people on something else, wet pubs, restaurants, travel, hairdressers. I am disgusted that oap's are being vilified for going to live in the canarias or wherever for a few months, to get away from miserable weather, to a safe location, this is what has happened to Ireland and in what, 6 months, doesn't take long to be able to turn people on each other.

well said its downright sickening the amount of spiteful,resentful bitter cun*s who have surfaced because of all this, a nation of absolute begrudgers, its sickening reading some comments from people almost asking for people to be locked up for getting on a plane or going to visit someone.:eek:

drunkmonkey · 10-02-2021 5:37pm

How does the fine work for a family of 5, is the 2k fine for the adults, like can they give a 2yr or 5yr old a 2k fine?
So it's 4k for a family of 5 to travel? They can't stop you travelling?

stargazer 68 · 10-02-2021 5:38pm

DessieJames wrote: »

well said its downright sickening the amount of spiteful,resentful bitter cun*s who have surfaced because of all this, a nation of absolute begrudgers, its sickening reading some comments from people almost asking for people to be locked up for getting on a plane or going to visit someone.:eek:

You are both absolutely right. I had to turn the radio off earlier - basically the gist was its the 'private sector' employees who are suffering while the OAP's are still getting their full pensions. The public service still getting paid out of tax payers money while, most of them, are sitting at home doing nothing! I bloody wish!! Where do these people think all the stats that they are screaming for on an hourly basis comes from let alone the hospital staff etc all still in work.

All in this together my a**.

Dr. Em · 10-02-2021 5:38pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How does the fine work for a family of 5, is the 2k fine for the adults, like can they give a 2yr or 5yr old a 2k fine?
So it's 4k for a family of 5 to travel?

The idea is to deter people from traveling unless they absolutely have to. They aren't going to give a per person breakdown of the fines.

Sierra Oscar · 10-02-2021 5:41pm

DessieJames wrote: »

Are you sure about this @sierra oscar ?

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6543299/ireland-uk-hotel-quarantine-red-list-travel-advice/

Ireland is within the Common Travel Area so anyone travelling from here directly to the UK will not be affected by the new rules.

I mean if you are traveling on a sun holiday via Belfast.

Traveling within the CTA does not require quarantine. Can't see many going on sun holidays to the UK though, surely?

In saying that some destinations might be exempt from the quarantine, at the moment the provisional list is 33 countries.

What are the new rules for testing and hotel quarantine?

From Monday UK residents and Irish nationals arriving from 33 "red list" countries will have to quarantine in hotels selected by the government.

In England, this will cost £1,750 per passenger travelling alone, to cover transport, tests and accommodation. Accommodation will need to be booked in advance, through an online booking system going live on 11 February.

Arrivals will be escorted straight to their hotel and they will have to stay in their rooms for 10 nights, with security guards accompanying them if they go outside.

Those who fail to quarantine in a designated hotel face fines of £5,000 to £10,000. Anyone who lies on their passenger locator form about having been in a country on the red list will face a prison sentence of up to 10 years.

lukas8888 · 10-02-2021 5:43pm

Dr. Em wrote: »

The idea is to deter people from traveling unless they absolutely have to. They aren't going to give a per person breakdown of the fines.

Don't thi k that directly answers his question.

drunkmonkey · 10-02-2021 5:44pm

Dr. Em wrote: »

The idea is to deter people from traveling unless they absolutely have to. They aren't going to give a per person breakdown of the fines.

The question is can they fine children with their parents, I'd live with the 4k tax an extra 6k for the 3 kids would be a bit harder stomach.

FatherTed · 10-02-2021 5:45pm

I'm getting my second vaccine shot here in the US next week and want to travel soon to Ireland to visit my parents, I'm thinking late March/April maybe for Easter. What's the story for quarantining there after traveling if've I've had my shots? I'm guessing I would need to provide documentation that I've been vaccinated, correct?

DessieJames · 10-02-2021 5:45pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

I mean if you are traveling on a sun holiday via Belfast.

Traveling within the CTA does not require quarantine. Can't see many going on sun holidays to the UK though, surely?

In saying that some destinations might be exempt from the quarantine, at the moment the provisional list is 33 countries.

What are the new rules for testing and hotel quarantine?

oh right ok, well i cant see that lasting until the summer, in fact id be astounted if it did.

Sierra Oscar · 10-02-2021 5:47pm

DessieJames wrote: »

oh right ok, well i cant see that lasting until the summer, in fact id be astounted if it did.

Just looking at the list, your typical sun holiday European destinations aren't included in the quarantine requirement at the moment it seems.

Although everyone coming into the UK will have to take two Covid tests while self-isolating. Not sure how that will work for people from Ireland traveling via Belfast.

All incoming passengers have to fill in a passenger locator form before they arrive, listing their contact details, departure country and their UK address.

They also have to show proof of a negative Covid-19 test to be allowed entry. It must have been taken in the 72 hours before travelling, with Border Force officials carrying out spot checks.

Travellers must then self-isolate for 10 days.

From Monday, arrivals in England will also have to take a coronavirus test on days two and eight of quarantine, which they will have to pay for. If they test positive, they must self-isolate for a further 10 days.

There will be a £1,000 fine for any international arrival who fails to take a mandatory coronavirus test. This will be followed by a £2,000 fine for failing to take a second test, with quarantine automatically extended to 14 days.

Airlines can also be fined £2,000 for passengers arriving without a completed form and advance negative test.

10-02-2021 6:13pm

FatherTed wrote: »

I'm getting my second vaccine shot here in the US next week and want to travel soon to Ireland to visit my parents, I'm thinking late March/April maybe for Easter. What's the story for quarantining there after traveling if've I've had my shots? I'm guessing I would need to provide documentation that I've been vaccinated, correct?

I believe that Americans aren’t allowed into the EU right now unless they’re a resident or a spouse of a resident. Same ban as EU citizens into the USA There’ll be no vaccination passport arrangements in place by then and doubt the restriction would be lifted

10-02-2021 6:15pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Just looking at the list, your typical sun holiday European destinations aren't included in the quarantine requirement at the moment it seems.

Although everyone coming into the UK will have to take two Covid tests while self-isolating. Not sure how that will work for people from Ireland traveling via Belfast.

The 5 day test to release system is still operating if someone wants to leave self quarantine early. But would be three tests in 8 days

faceman · 10-02-2021 6:17pm

FatherTed wrote: »

I'm getting my second vaccine shot here in the US next week and want to travel soon to Ireland to visit my parents, I'm thinking late March/April maybe for Easter. What's the story for quarantining there after traveling if've I've had my shots? I'm guessing I would need to provide documentation that I've been vaccinated, correct?

To quote Tony Hulahoop, “until everyone is vaccinated, we must act as if none of us are vaccinated”

Sadly your vaccination won’t mean anything and you’ll be required to quarantine. It’s unlikely the US will be added to the list of countries that will be quarantined in the hotel so you can do it wherever you’re staying. You’ll also be required to arrive with a negative test. After 5 days you can get tested again and if negative you’re free of quarantine.

faceman · 10-02-2021 6:19pm

Annd9 wrote: »

What I really do not understand is the approach being taken by Gardai at the Airport , fining people leaving but nothing said to those arriving . I'm working in the airport at the moment , the Paris and Amsterdam flights are arriving every day with hundreds of people coming from God knows where .

As these are large connection Airports to Africa and South America our chances of new strains arriving get larger with every single arrival .

All arriving passengers are legally required to have a negative pcr test result on arrival. You’re more likely to catch covid from airport staff than passengers.

10-02-2021 6:20pm

faceman wrote: »

To quote Tony Hulahoop, “until everyone is vaccinated, we must act as if none of us are vaccinated”

Sadly your vaccination won’t mean anything and you’ll be required to quarantine. It’s unlikely the US will be added to the list of countries that will be quarantined in the hotel so you can do it wherever you’re staying. You’ll also be required to arrive with a negative test. After 5 days you can get tested again and if negative you’re free of quarantine.

Are Americans allowed to travel to Europe now? I’ve some relatives who’d like to visit but thought they were banned

I regurgitate the news · 10-02-2021 6:21pm

Gael23 wrote: »

Australia who have a zero Covid policy are hoping all going well to reopen international tourism in early 2022

If I could I would bet you they'll be back in lockdown once their winter flu season kicks in

faceman · 10-02-2021 6:25pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are Americans allowed to travel to Europe now? I’ve some relatives who’d like to visit but thought they were banned

To Europe no, a travel ban is still in place. Travel to Ireland is permitted though. Allowed isn’t a word id use though

ninebeanrows · 10-02-2021 6:32pm

One has to laugh at Duncan Smith today in the Dail lambasting the Healy Raes while he is trying to promote decisions that would kill a large portion of his electorates job prospects....does he realise that huge proportion of his electorate are employed directly or indirectly due to Dublin Airport?

Bonkers move.

piwyudo0fhn57b · 10-02-2021 6:34pm

Sure, according to the Irish examiner, 110,000 came through Dublin Airport last month so.

10-02-2021 6:36pm

ninebeanrows wrote: »

One has to laugh at Duncan Smith today in the Dail lambasting the Healy Raes while he is trying to promote decisions that would kill a large portion of his electorates job prospects....does he realise that huge proportion of his electorate are employed directly or indirectly due to Dublin Airport?

Bonkers move.

Garda checkpoint before you board now :eek: I see it there on Zara Kings live report fro Dublin Airport

10-02-2021 6:39pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The question is can they fine children with their parents, I'd live with the 4k tax an extra 6k for the 3 kids would be a bit harder stomach.

Again on virgin media news,the fine includes children
A family of 4 pays 8k and the parents are liable for the kids
It also has to be paid within 28 days
No installment plans
They're going all out

ninebeanrows · 10-02-2021 6:41pm

AuntySnow wrote: »

Garda checkpoint before you board now :eek: I see it there on Zara Kings live report fro Dublin Airport

Some measures are necessary but think things have went very draconian, all driven by populism and nice soundbites to pass the blame to a minority.

It leaves a bad taste and god help the EU and non-EU nationals living in this country who play such a critical role in many of our essential services feeling extremely isolated and vilified.

It is a sad time but I believe things will change into the summer, although no doubt we will be extremely slow.

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