The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

tritium wrote: »

True, and the reality is that while Dublin has advantages so do other counties.
The anti Dublin camp cant bring themselves to admit that because to do so would be to acknowledge what the GAA have said, and what the counties bought into, all along - that those disadvantages Dublin faced had been ignored by the GAA and government to the extent that it was becoming critical not just for the GAA but for the wider social cohesion of the county. Teehans statistics on the availability of pitches in Dublin painted an even bleaker picture than I realised, and if anything the picture is only likely to get worse: its all well and good talking about Dublins super clubs but actually finding a space and time slot to get kids on a pitch is a challenge that no other county faces to the degree clubs in Dublin do. in many cases Dublin clubs could see their pitches disappear and have little or no say in the matter.

More reason for the split to go ahead. Each of the 4 county councils already in place will be better positioned to sort this out. It will assist the growth and development of Gaelic games at a local level. Much easier than having one county board trying to tackle this.

Enquiring wrote: »

So you think the near 2 decades of funding disparity should be ignored? Even though it's led to Dublin now being in a position where they have an enormous level of resources.

By the way. The redistribution has still not taken place. It's still limited to a few counties including Dublin. Every other Leinster county and counties in Ulster, Munster and Connaught don't have access to this fund.

Given that the Leinster council are looking after, unsurprisingly, Leinster, shouldn't you be having a word with the Munster, Ulster and Connacht Provincial councils about implementing a similar scheme? That said I suspect Ulster would point to Gaelfest for example, an initiative that hopefully has the potential to grow further and receive more funding in a similar way to how Dublin's funding grew over time as the benefits were demonstrated

Enquiring wrote: »

So you think the near 2 decades of funding disparity should be ignored? Even though it's led to Dublin now being in a position where they have an enormous level of resources.

By the way. The redistribution has still not taken place. It's still limited to a few counties including Dublin. Every other Leinster county and counties in Ulster, Munster and Connaught don't have access to this fund.

It cant be ignored. Its happened. Maybe it shouldnt but something needed to be done in Dublin
Now is time to work on other counties in Leinster especially as if Leinster counties are stronger then Dublin's route to all ireland success will be much harder.
As has been pointed out to you plenty of times before all the other counties especially the more rural counties dont have as much competition from other sports or at least have clubs actively involved in schools far more especially primary schools. Much easier to do that when for rural clubs you will have 1 maybe 2 primary schools to pull players from so clubs can assist far more.

Enquiring wrote: »

More reason for the split to go ahead. Each of the 4 county councils already in place will be better positioned to sort this out. It will assist the growth and development of Gaelic games at a local level. Much easier than having one county board trying to tackle this.

Its not a reason for a split especially in 4. Very few people in Dublin think of the county council areas as a natural boundary and changing how Dublin GAA works and adding 4 layers of bureaucracy instead of 1 would make the growth and development harder not easier in many ways.

Enquiring wrote: »

Ok, so you've admitted you're not interested in fair play. Dublin winning at all costs is your only interest. That's fair enough but I'm not sure why you think everyone else should just allow Dublin to continue as a professional organisation in an amateur sport.

Splitting Dublin is just one part, giving every county appropriate funding and an equal opportunity to compete is another. Instead of over funding the county with the most advantages, you fund the weaker counties. That is a fair way of doing things.

Oh dear , were did i admit im not interested in fair play ?Dublin being split is your only interest ,there are a lot of things that are not fair in the GAA , splitting Dublin will change very little if anything for the weaker counties and should be a last resort in my opinion

ArielAtom wrote: »

Some posters really do not get the term Games Development Funding. Some posters like to put for lies that the funding was for the registered players. If they did some research they would understand it was primarily for the development of Gaelic Games in the 5-12 yr old age groups, whether they were club members or not, both boys and girls in all 4 codes. But hey the registered player figure suits their rhetoric.

Not true. Are you calling senior Dublin county board employees liars? They have stated that the coaches go into primary and secondary schools but their main role is improving standards within the club their employed by.

ShyMets wrote: »

You a relentless in pushing your agenda and dismissing all other alternatives.

There is a danger that many posters will put you on ignore and this thread will become echo chamber

The echo chamber is coming from the anti fair play posters who want 2 decades of funding disparity brushed under the carpet.

Enquiring wrote: »

Hang on, you tried to justify the enormous over funding because of the population of Dublin. You're now accepting that that's nonsense? You're ripping up your own argument here and you're claiming I'm slipping up.

The split is because of the Dublin only scheme. You're now accepting it was completely unjustified?

I'm simply presenting the inconsistencies in your own argument to you

Nothing to do with what I believe since I clearly don't accept your (deeply flawed and inconsistent) argument

Enquiring wrote: »

It's irrelevant to the splitting of Dublin what other counties or provincial council's are doing. The split of Dublin has to happen because of the near 2 decades of funding disparity.

funding is being addressed

what happens when we balance the funding to a level you deem fair for a decade or two- do we unsplit Dublin again, since this is only about the funding?

olestoepoke wrote: »

Its gas, the notion of splitting up the Dubs was not mentioned in the first 11 years of the alleged 20 years of funding disparity.

I wonder it that's because the GAA was completely transparent with their members in all counties about exactly what they were doing and why they were doing it and indeed the members got on board, even if a few struggled to take Dublin seriously.

Enquiring wrote: »

Again you're ignoring the results of the funding disparity. It's now left Dublin with enormous financial power. That can't be brushed under the carpet either. Many Ulster counties have half their population opposed to the GAA and just came out of a 30 year war. Why did Dublin deserve the special scheme over them?

It won't be Dublin GAA anymore. It will be Fingal GAA, Dún Laoighaire/Rathdown GAA, South Dublin GAA and Dublin city GAA. Having 4 county boards tackle issues and promote Gaelic games in their area will of course be more successful than having one try to look after all 4.

But you've just told us the GAA in Dublin only had 30,000 kids interested in playing GAA. At least in Belfast the half that are interested in GAA would have a deep cultural interest in GAA, another anti Dublin poster told us that the rest of the Dubs were off playing Soccer and Rugby (presumably the domain of the other half of the population in Belfast under your viewpoint)

olestoepoke wrote: »

Its gas, the notion of splitting up the Dubs was not mentioned in the first 11 years of the alleged 20 years of funding disparity.

It was. The splitting of Dublin was on the table before the funding disparity even began!!!

tritium wrote: »

funding is being addressed

what happens when we balance the funding to a level you deem fair for a decade or two- do we unsplit Dublin again, since this is only about the funding?

It's about the funding and the financial power Dublin possess because of it. It's more than enough for 4 counties to thrive.

With the split, developing Gaelic games in all areas of our capital will be effectively tackled. It will increase participation and standards in those areas.

tritium wrote: »

But you've just told us the GAA in Dublin only had 30,000 kids interested in playing GAA. At least in Belfast the half that are interested in GAA would have a deep cultural interest in GAA, another anti Dublin poster told us that the rest of the Dubs were off playing Soccer and Rugby (presumably the domain of the other half of the population in Belfast under your viewpoint)

I didnt say that. I said that under 30,000 between 8 and 18 were registered, these were the main focus of the money. If there were under 30,000 kids in Antrim registered and they received the enormous over funding, then calls for them to be split would be made.

They weren't though, it was Dublin who received the millions. Hence why they must be split.