Enquiring wrote: » Again you're ignoring the results of the funding disparity. It's now left Dublin with enormous financial power. That can't be brushed under the carpet either. Many Ulster counties have half their population opposed to the GAA and just came out of a 30 year war. Why did Dublin deserve the special scheme over them? It won't be Dublin GAA anymore. It will be Fingal GAA, Dún Laoighaire/Rathdown GAA, South Dublin GAA and Dublin city GAA. Having 4 county boards tackle issues and promote Gaelic games in their area will of course be more successful than having one try to look after all 4.
dobman88 wrote: » How can they change 2 decades when it's already happened, they cant go back in time and give less funding. Not sure how you got that I think it should be ignored when I clearly said redistributing funds needs to happen, is happening, but will take time to sort out and see the benefits. You're definitely losing the run of yourself here.
olestoepoke wrote: » Its gas, the notion of splitting up the Dubs was not mentioned in the first 11 years of the alleged 20 years of funding disparity.
Lost Ormond wrote: » It cant be ignored. Its happened. Maybe it shouldnt but something needed to be done in Dublin Now is time to work on other counties in Leinster especially as if Leinster counties are stronger then Dublin's route to all ireland success will be much harder. As has been pointed out to you plenty of times before all the other counties especially the more rural counties dont have as much competition from other sports or at least have clubs actively involved in schools far more especially primary schools. Much easier to do that when for rural clubs you will have 1 maybe 2 primary schools to pull players from so clubs can assist far more. Its not a reason for a split especially in 4. Very few people in Dublin think of the county council areas as a natural boundary and changing how Dublin GAA works and adding 4 layers of bureaucracy instead of 1 would make the growth and development harder not easier in many ways.
Enquiring wrote: » It's irrelevant to the splitting of Dublin what other counties or provincial council's are doing. The split of Dublin has to happen because of the near 2 decades of funding disparity.
Enquiring wrote: » Hang on, you tried to justify the enormous over funding because of the population of Dublin. You're now accepting that that's nonsense? You're ripping up your own argument here and you're claiming I'm slipping up. The split is because of the Dublin only scheme. You're now accepting it was completely unjustified?
tritium wrote: » No, not at all. the issue is that the pitches aren't there full stop. Splitting dublin wont magically change that. Indeed diluting the county board with a split would almost certainly worsen the position. Which is another reason why Dublin wont agree to a split. Which kind of ends the conversation
ShyMets wrote: » You a relentless in pushing your agenda and dismissing all other alternatives. There is a danger that many posters will put you on ignore and this thread will become echo chamber
tritium wrote: » Given that the Leinster council are looking after, unsurprisingly, Leinster, shouldn't you be having a word with the Munster, Ulster and Connacht Provincial councils about implementing a similar scheme? That said I suspect Ulster would point to Gaelfest for example, an initiative that hopefully has the potential to grow further and receive more funding in a similar way to how Dublin's funding grew over time as the benefits were demonstrated
ArielAtom wrote: » Some posters really do not get the term Games Development Funding. Some posters like to put for lies that the funding was for the registered players. If they did some research they would understand it was primarily for the development of Gaelic Games in the 5-12 yr old age groups, whether they were club members or not, both boys and girls in all 4 codes. But hey the registered player figure suits their rhetoric.
tritium wrote: » So Dublin don't in your view have a big playing pool but you want to dilute it anyway with a split even though you've argued that this would help Dublin by giving all those players who miss out because of the size of Dublin a shot at inter county Even though that pool is similar to many other counties But splitting other big counties with plenty of players isn't a topic for you. Or merging counties with less But its all about fairness You're slipping badly at this stage
Enquiring wrote: » Ok, so you've admitted you're not interested in fair play. Dublin winning at all costs is your only interest. That's fair enough but I'm not sure why you think everyone else should just allow Dublin to continue as a professional organisation in an amateur sport. Splitting Dublin is just one part, giving every county appropriate funding and an equal opportunity to compete is another. Instead of over funding the county with the most advantages, you fund the weaker counties. That is a fair way of doing things.
Enquiring wrote: » So you think the near 2 decades of funding disparity should be ignored? Even though it's led to Dublin now being in a position where they have an enormous level of resources. By the way. The redistribution has still not taken place. It's still limited to a few counties including Dublin. Every other Leinster county and counties in Ulster, Munster and Connaught don't have access to this fund.
Enquiring wrote: » More reason for the split to go ahead. Each of the 4 county councils already in place will be better positioned to sort this out. It will assist the growth and development of Gaelic games at a local level. Much easier than having one county board trying to tackle this.
ooter wrote: » Oh dear, after all this time the registered player argument is still being trotted out.
tritium wrote: » True, and the reality is that while Dublin has advantages so do other counties. The anti Dublin camp cant bring themselves to admit that because to do so would be to acknowledge what the GAA have said, and what the counties bought into, all along - that those disadvantages Dublin faced had been ignored by the GAA and government to the extent that it was becoming critical not just for the GAA but for the wider social cohesion of the county. Teehans statistics on the availability of pitches in Dublin painted an even bleaker picture than I realised, and if anything the picture is only likely to get worse: its all well and good talking about Dublins super clubs but actually finding a space and time slot to get kids on a pitch is a challenge that no other county faces to the degree clubs in Dublin do. in many cases Dublin clubs could see their pitches disappear and have little or no say in the matter.
dobman88 wrote: » Fair enough. I've asked you questions and you've refused to answer. But I'm courteous enough to give you a response. The funding should be addressed of course and according to the leinster council lad who was on the debate, he said it is being addressed. So that'a good start but it will take time. Splitting Dublin and pooling sponsorship is not the way to go about. Redistributing funding from croke park is. And that's happening so give it time.
Enquiring wrote: » Yes, yet again, population is not the issue. It's the funding Dublin were handed to target the 30,000 and under registered players aged between 8 and 18. It has completely transformed standards in Dublin GAA across the board. Nearly 100 titles post funding.
ArielAtom wrote: » Agree with you, its a farce. On fairness, since when has intercounty Gaelic Games been about fairness. It is about winning, always has and always will be. I wonder would Enquiring like us to have grading leagues and ensure that each child is playing against a child of similar ability, thats fair? Thats the way its done up and down the country. Sounds familiar? Could it be that a Tiered approach would be similar? I'm going to pick Cork and Kerry as examples with regards to sponsorship. Kerry had a massive advantage with Kerry Group sponsoring way before anyone else could get that level of sponsorship. Did anyone complain? Can't remember it myself. Fair play to them. Cork have just signed a deal with Sports Direct, fair play to them. What Comrade Enquiring is looking for is akin to a Communist GAA movement. Pool the sponsorship. As it has been pointed out the bitterness and looking to knock Dublin off it's current perch is the obvious end goal. Fairness has nothing to do with it. The agenda is the same as the blogger from Athy or the Westmeath lad who could not even get his figures correct going into a debate. Comical bitterness is a better description for their campaign, they have their cabal, do they really think that posting the same lies every day will make them the truth and garner support from the rest of the GAA. If nothing else this thread is keeping me amused during lockdown.
Enquiring wrote: » I asked you a question, I didn't say you have justified it. But if you don't think it's justified, then what do you think should be done about the Dublin issue?
dobman88 wrote: » Show me one post where I justified any of that. Just one.
