Exchange of UK driving licence

Av8or · 27-11-2020 7:05pm #1

I understand that there are certain driving categories that will not transfer over from a UK licence to an Irish licence due to restrictions on some categories i.e. D1/D1E etc. The Minister for Transport explains that this is due to Ireland having different categories/thresholds to the UK. Their reason for not allowing D1/D1E (with the '101' restriction - not for Hire or Reward) is that Ireland does not have that category! Surely, that is nonsense, as the issue of a D1/D1E here does not give the holder Hire or Reward privileges *until* they have passed the relevant CPC requirements.
Therefore, in my opinion, the licence privileges are exactly the same and should be transferred across.

Anyone care to comment?

L1011 · 27-11-2020 9:07pm

The UK not for hire or reward restriction cannot be overcome without doing the entire testing process for that licence; which is not equivalent to the CPC.

You are not going to convince the RSA to change their mind on this in the realistically ~3 weeks you have to get in there to transfer a licence. Or ever.

kaahooters · 27-11-2020 9:57pm

If you don't want to change your licence, move back to England.
If you want to stay in Ireland, exchange your licence.
Only options you got.

macplaxton · 27-11-2020 11:58pm

Av8or wrote: »

Their reason for not allowing D1/D1E (with the '101' restriction - not for Hire or Reward) is that Ireland does not have that category! Surely, that is nonsense, as the issue of a D1/D1E here does not give the holder Hire or Reward privileges *until* they have passed the relevant CPC requirements.
Therefore, in my opinion, the licence privileges are exactly the same and should be transferred across.

Anyone care to comment?

Speaking as a former UK licence holder and minibus driver, your opinion whilst understandable is misguided.

The UK licence privileges are not the same so do not carry over to an Irish licence.

The UK D1/D1E (101) were grandfather rights issued following a category B pass prior to the 1st January 1997 and granted on a national basis only. They only applied within the UK and were not valid for travelling around the EU/EEA

The 2nd Driving Licence Directive (2DLD) removed the minibus and 7.5T derogations to new category B licence holders, so those that passed their B tests after that date, did not get them added.

Article 5.4.(a) & 5.4(b) of 91/439/EEC allowed the Member states to apply the national derogation on minibuses at the time.

Restriction codes 01 to 99 are harmonised Community codes. Restriction codes 100 and above are national codes valid only for driving in the territory of the Member State which issued the licence. 101 in the UK means "not for hire or reward". 101 in other Member States can mean something entirely different. The same applies to licence categories. Those in upper case are EU/EEA standard categories and those in lower case apply only on a national basis.

If a UK resident living in the UK had a pre-1997 licence with D1(101) and wished to drive in the UK a minibus for hire or reward, they would have to sit a D1 driving test, and not just top-up with the CPC requirements.

Whilst some national categories (UK f,k,l,m,n,p,q) might translate to something similar here, unlike cateogories A to E, there isn't an obligation to translate it.

macplaxton · 28-11-2020 12:03am

kaahooters wrote: »

If you don't want to change your licence, move back to England.
If you want to stay in Ireland, exchange your licence.
Only options you got.

Is Av8or from England? The first post doesn't conclusively say so. Could be from Wales or Scotland?

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 28-11-2020 12:15am

macplaxton wrote: »

Is Av8or from England? The first post doesn't conclusively say so. Could be from Wales or Scotland?

:rolleyes:

Av8or · 28-11-2020 12:16pm

macplaxton wrote: »

Is Av8or from England? The first post doesn't conclusively say so. Could be from Wales or Scotland?

It could also be none of his f*ck*ng business

Samuel T. Cogley · 28-11-2020 12:18pm

Av8or wrote: »

It could also be none of his f*ck*ng business

Sounds like Northern England to me

:pac:

kaahooters · 28-11-2020 5:17pm

Av8or wrote: »

It could also be none of his f*ck*ng business

Na, you should move back.

You seem to be looking for support to circumvent legislation here, as pointed out the licence s is not equivilant.
Different country different rules., you want the same rules, and legislation, move to where that legislation is valid.

tipptom · 04-02-2021 12:06pm

Im about to change my license over from a UK and i have a c1,d1,c1e etc category on it.I have driven my 7 1/2 ton for my own private work and not for hire
i would like to keep the c1 on my new irish licence and am getting a medical report form for it but are they going to refuse me when i go in to the centre on the grounds that i dont have a cpc for this category?

Anjobe · 04-02-2021 1:33pm

tipptom wrote: »

Im about to change my license over from a UK and i have a c1,d1,c1e etc category on it.I have driven my 7 1/2 ton for my own private work and not for hire
i would like to keep the c1 on my new irish licence and am getting a medical report form for it but are they going to refuse me when i go in to the centre on the grounds that i dont have a cpc for this category?

You will lose D1/D1E but should be able to keep C1/C1E with the medical report

ohnonotgmail · 04-02-2021 1:45pm

Anjobe wrote: »

You will lose D1/D1E but should be able to keep C1/C1E with the medical report

Only if their D1 licence has a "1" or "101" restriction. if they received their D1 licence after taking the appropriate test in the UK they can transfer it to an Irish licence.

tipptom · 04-02-2021 2:27pm

Anjobe wrote: »

You will lose D1/D1E but should be able to keep C1/C1E with the medical report

Im happy with that but looking on one of the sites this morning they were mentioning cpc also but surly i dont need a cpc to get the c1 added

It also mentioned eyesight test separate to the medical report,i hardly need two sepearate reports?

Just want to make sure i dont waste another day and just the one journey when i get there,TIA.

ohnonotgmail · 04-02-2021 2:31pm

tipptom wrote: »

Im happy with that but looking on one of the sites this morning they were mentioning cpc also but surly i dont need a cpc to get the c1 added

It also mentioned eyesight test separate to the medical report,i hardly need two sepearate reports?

Just want to make sure i dont waste another day and just the one journey when i get there,TIA.

no mention of separate eyesight test for a C1 https://www.ndls.ie/help/faq.html#is-a-medical-report-form-required-to-exchange-a-uk-ni-licence-for-an-irish-driving-licence

you need the CPC if you want to drive commercially. you dont need it to transfer your licence.

tipptom · 04-02-2021 2:33pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Only if their D1 licence has a "1" or "101" restriction. if they received their D1 licence after taking the appropriate test in the UK they can transfer it to an Irish licence.

d1 has a 101
c1e has a 107
d1e has a 101and a 119

tipptom · 04-02-2021 2:34pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no mention of separate eyesight test for a C1 https://www.ndls.ie/help/faq.html#is-a-medical-report-form-required-to-exchange-a-uk-ni-licence-for-an-irish-driving-licence

you need the CPC if you want to drive commercially. you dont need it to transfer your licence.

Perfect,thanks

ohnonotgmail · 04-02-2021 2:39pm

tipptom wrote: »

d1 has a 101
c1e has a 107
d1e has a 101and a 119

you wont get any of those because of the national restrictions.We dont have a corresponding category in Ireland. https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-04-10/172/#:~:text=The%20C1E%20category%20with%20a,C1E%20is%2012%20tonne%2Fkg.

tipptom · 04-02-2021 5:23pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you wont get any of those because of the national restrictions.We dont have a corresponding category in Ireland. https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-04-10/172/#:~:text=The%20C1E%20category%20with%20a,C1E%20is%2012%20tonne%2Fkg.

Yeah thanks,happy enough to take the c1 out of it,just a pain i cant do it online because of it

corks finest · 05-02-2021 5:32pm

Av8or wrote: »

I understand that there are certain driving categories that will not transfer over from a UK licence to an Irish licence due to restrictions on some categories i.e. D1/D1E etc. The Minister for Transport explains that this is due to Ireland having different categories/thresholds to the UK. Their reason for not allowing D1/D1E (with the '101' restriction - not for Hire or Reward) is that Ireland does not have that category! Surely, that is nonsense, as the issue of a D1/D1E here does not give the holder Hire or Reward privileges *until* they have passed the relevant CPC requirements.
Therefore, in my opinion, the licence privileges are exactly the same and should be transferred across.

Anyone care to comment?

I lost my bike but retained my c1 and ordinary licence, needed it in a hurry and at the time I was busted and the doctors eye test fee was was too much,,,,, big mistake,,, n of Ireland ðŸ‡®ðŸ‡ª licence in 99

tipptom · 10-02-2021 1:22pm

corks finest wrote: »

I lost my bike but retained my c1 and ordinary licence, needed it in a hurry and at the time I was busted and the doctors eye test fee was was too much,,,,, big mistake,,, n of Ireland &#55356;&#56814;&#55356;&#56810; licence in 99

Im 50/50 about retaining the c1 as im not sur if i will ever use it again.

How does it work if i keep the c1,does this category go on my car license even though the c1 is only 5 years and the car is 10,is their an extra charge for that category on top of the £55?

ohnonotgmail · 10-02-2021 1:24pm

tipptom wrote: »

Im 50/50 about retaining the c1 as im not sur if i will ever use it again.

How does it work if i keep the c1,does this category go on my car license even though the c1 is only 5 years and the car is 10,is their an extra charge for that category on top of the £55?

Do you have a C1 separate to your C1E with the national restriction?

tipptom · 10-02-2021 1:31pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Do you have a C1 separate to your C1E with the national restriction?

I do,i have the c1 separate from the c1e with the 107 after the c1e on my english license.

corks finest · 10-02-2021 1:33pm

tipptom wrote: »

Im happy with that but looking on one of the sites this morning they were mentioning cpc also but surly i dont need a cpc to get the c1 added

It also mentioned eyesight test separate to the medical report,i hardly need two sepearate reports?

Just want to make sure i dont waste another day and just the one journey when i get there,TIA.

Think u do need cpc, pain in they hole I kept up my annual cpc just in case but dropped it last year, as I didn't drive commercial in years and was really only keeping it as a back up when decorating work dries up

ohnonotgmail · 10-02-2021 1:37pm

corks finest wrote: »

Think u do need cpc, pain in they hole I kept up my annual cpc just in case but dropped it last year, as I didn't drive commercial in years and was really only keeping it as a back up when decorating work dries up

you dont need the CPC to swap the licence. you need it if you plan to work with the licence

tipptom · 10-02-2021 1:43pm

corks finest wrote: »

Think u do need cpc, pain in they hole I kept up my annual cpc just in case but dropped it last year, as I didn't drive commercial in years and was really only keeping it as a back up when decorating work dries up

If you do need the cpc then i am just going to leave it.
I done the cpc years ago and i had to do a full days course for every week for 5 weeks to catch up so i would say thats 5 years ago and im not doing that again.

Then again how would they insist on a cpc when you can drive without it if you telol them you are not driving for hire or reward?

tipptom · 10-02-2021 1:46pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you dont need the CPC to swap the licence. you need it if you plan to work with the licence

Is there an extra charge for the c1 on my new Irish licence on top of the 55 i will be giving then for the car licence?

corks finest · 10-02-2021 1:55pm

tipptom wrote: »

If you do need the cpc then i am just going to leave it.
I done the cpc years ago and i had to do a full days course for every week for 5 weeks to catch up so i would say thats 5 years ago and im not doing that again.

Then again how would they insist on a cpc when you can drive without it if you telol them you are not driving for hire or reward?

It's a waste of money unless you're intending to drive full time commercial, I'd never contemplate it and rather be on a site painting than putting up with all the ****e delivering, head wrecking

Ref cpc most employers request proof of it and its availableve on the rsa site to see

Anjobe · 10-02-2021 4:26pm

tipptom wrote: »

Is there an extra charge for the c1 on my new Irish licence on top of the 55 i will be giving then for the car licence?

Not as far as I remember, but the doctor will charge for the medical report.

corks finest · 10-02-2021 4:50pm

tipptom wrote: »

Is there an extra charge for the c1 on my new Irish licence on top of the 55 i will be giving then for the car licence?

Think an eye test

tipptom · 15-02-2021 1:03pm

Okay,i was just about to pay for a medical report but on looking at the driving licence application form it says "evidence of cpc IF required" among the checklist.

I had a cpc but its up 3 years and i never really needed it anyway as i always just used my 7 1/2 ton for private use so i would have thought they could add this category as i will not be using the category for "hire or reward".

Has anyone got this done without having to show the cpc to retain a category from the British licence or is a cpc now required even for your own private work?

There is nothing clear about this on the application form and there is no way of contacting them.

tipptom · 26-03-2021 10:48am

Just for anyone who is still exchanging.

I done all my paperwork and was told in there that i should receive my licence in a while only to get a letter this morning saying i needed to go in to the UK DVLA site to get them a code no.

For this code no you need your old Uk licence no which they had taken of me,your old UK postcode,and your old UK national insurance to acess this code.

I was just lucky that i had an old photo copy of my licence that i was able to retrieve the licence no and postcode,then half a day up in the attic looking for my old national insurance no that i havnt used in decades and was not sure if i had it still,if you cant find this within ten days then your application is void,you lose your fee and have to reapply and you still need this information and good luck trying to get your old national insurance no from the UK within ten days.

Maybe this is normal but i did not know anything about it,did not see anything about it on the NDLS site and was not told anything about it when i went in with the application before i handed in my old licence.

I was just told my licence would be with me in about four weeks and the reference no would do me if i was pulled in,nothing about keeping the information of the licence they were confiscating or to make sure i knew my old natiional insurance no or what else i would need going forward.

Bellmeister · 26-03-2021 7:28pm

tipptom wrote: »

Just for anyone who is still exchanging.

I done all my paperwork and was told in there that i should receive my licence in a while only to get a letter this morning saying i needed to go in to the UK DVLA site to get them a code no.

For this code no you need your old Uk licence no which they had taken of me,your old UK postcode,and your old UK national insurance to acess this code.

I was just lucky that i had an old photo copy of my licence that i was able to retrieve the licence no and postcode,then half a day up in the attic looking for my old national insurance no that i havnt used in decades and was not sure if i had it still,if you cant find this within ten days then your application is void,you lose your fee and have to reapply and you still need this information and good luck trying to get your old national insurance no from the UK within ten days.

Maybe this is normal but i did not know anything about it,did not see anything about it on the NDLS site and was not told anything about it when i went in with the application before i handed in my old licence.

I was just told my licence would be with me in about four weeks and the reference no would do me if i was pulled in,nothing about keeping the information of the licence they were confiscating or to make sure i knew my old natiional insurance no or what else i would need going forward.

When did you start your application? I've been waiting since late December with no sign of progress. Really tired of this crazy red tape.

tipptom · 26-03-2021 7:39pm

Bellmeister wrote: »

When did you start your application? I've been waiting since late December with no sign of progress. Really tired of this crazy red tape.

About a month ago i took the application in to them,not sure if you had to get the code for them but it just feels like I am starting again after opening the envelope thinking the licence was in it

26-03-2021 7:50pm

Think the code thing started this year as I applied for licence early Jan then got letter about check code. I emailed the code of 25 Feb and have heard nothing since. Don’t know if they have done their checks within the 21 days that the code was valid for either.

tipptom · 26-03-2021 9:33pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Think the code thing started this year as I applied for licence early Jan then got letter about check code. I emailed the code of 25 Feb and have heard nothing since. Don’t know if they have done their checks within the 21 days that the code was valid for either.

Yeah,its only live for a certain time for them.

Maybe they got a hard on for this code when they got the publicity for drivers getting suspended for penalty points or is it because i wanted to retain my C category.

Im not that bothered about it as i have the ref no, but i was blindsided by this code check as i have not seen or heard anything about it and i would have thought they could have said about it at the ndls centre to at least keep the number of the licence they were taking of me, and that i would need my old national insurance number

27-03-2021 8:07am

I didn’t apply for the Cat C because my GP surgery were not doing medical forms for licences in January. NDLS did confirm with me prior to making the appointment that I would have 12 months to add categories to my licence if I wanted but after reading here, I’m not going to use it so what’s the point in renewing my licence every 5 years?

I can’t fault the woman in my local ndls centre. She photocopied my old licence and attached it to the receipt without me asking. And I memorised my National Insurance number when I was issued it at 16 years old and I’ve never forgotten it

tipptom · 27-03-2021 1:30pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I didn’t apply for the Cat C because my GP surgery were not doing medical forms for licences in January. NDLS did confirm with me prior to making the appointment that I would have 12 months to add categories to my licence if I wanted but after reading here, I’m not going to use it so what’s the point in renewing my licence every 5 years?

I can’t fault the woman in my local ndls centre. She photocopied my old licence and attached it to the receipt without me asking. And I memorised my National Insurance number when I was issued it at 16 years old and I’ve never forgotten it

She gave you back your old licence?

27-03-2021 3:23pm

tipptom wrote: »

She gave you back your old licence?

She attached a photocopy.

Marcusm · 27-03-2021 8:10pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I didn’t apply for the Cat C because my GP surgery were not doing medical forms for licences in January. NDLS did confirm with me prior to making the appointment that I would have 12 months to add categories to my licence if I wanted but after reading here, I’m not going to use it so what’s the point in renewing my licence every 5 years?

I can’t fault the woman in my local ndls centre. She photocopied my old licence and attached it to the receipt without me asking. And I memorised my National Insurance number when I was issued it at 16 years old and I’ve never forgotten it

Adding the photocopy of the original is their standard protocol not anything special this woman invented.

tipptom · 27-03-2021 8:18pm

Marcusm wrote: »

Adding the photocopy of the original is their standard protocol not anything special this woman invented.

I wish someone sent the memo to the woman i was dealing with then.

14-04-2021 10:14am

Just an update.

I still haven’t received my licence so contacted ndls on the phone this morning After spending 40 minutes in the queue, I eventually got talking to someone. Turns out my check code expired before they looked at my file. They never contacted me asking for another. Whilst on the phone I generated a new code and emailed it over. Then I waited till she confirmed receipt of email. She then forwarded it to the relevant department.

So, if you’re still waiting then I suggest -

Charging you phone to max.
Calling first thing in morning.
DO NOT call after 4pm as you may find (like I did) that by the time your call comes around, they’ve all finished work for the day.
Generate a new check code whilst on hold.
Stay on the call until they receive the email they might ask you to resend and have them confirm they have it.
Be pleasant - the person answering your call isn’t the person handling your case and you don’t want your info “going missing”

I’ll keep you posted.

tipptom · 14-04-2021 12:21pm

I had a letter last week and i thought this is my licence but no,it was a letter asking for another code while not giving any reason what happened with the first one.

I have sent them another one via email and also sent them it in the post as any time i phone them it wont even leave me in a q.

14-04-2021 12:43pm

That was the reason I emailed them the first code 5 minutes after generating it. I didn’t trust posting it and it then sitting in a pile on someone’s desk. But they never took action on the email until after the 21 day expiry either.

At least you got a letter!

sayno · 27-04-2021 11:22am

I got an automatic email telling me they had recieved the check code this morning. Has anyone any positive stories of actually recieving their driving licence?

tipptom · 27-04-2021 2:37pm

sayno wrote: »

I got an automatic email telling me they had recieved the check code this morning. Has anyone any positive stories of actually recieving their driving licence?

Have had the automatic email twice now,expect another request for another code a few weeks down the line.

27-04-2021 3:43pm

They’re on the third check code from me now.

tipptom · 27-04-2021 6:07pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

They’re on the third check code from me now.

Have they requested another check code from you since you phoned them with the second one and gave it to them over the phone?

28-04-2021 10:07am

tipptom wrote: »

Have they requested another check code from you since you phoned them with the second one and gave it to them over the phone?

Yep. I stayed on the phone until she confirmed she had received email with the screenshot of code. A few days later I got an email saying they couldn’t use it as it had been used already. It hadn’t as I only screenshotted the page which showed the code. So I got another code anyway and this time wrote down the lower case and upper case code and sent.

Still waiting.

tipptom · 28-04-2021 5:44pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Yep. I stayed on the phone until she confirmed she had received email with the screenshot of code. A few days later I got an email saying they couldn’t use it as it had been used already. It hadn’t as I only screenshotted the page which showed the code. So I got another code anyway and this time wrote down the lower case and upper case code and sent.

Still waiting.

The first code i got there was headings on the top of the page that you could go into and it said if you had penalty point etc as you clicked into them,is this termed as using the code no if you go in to them?

28-04-2021 6:06pm

tipptom wrote: »

The first code i got there was headings on the top of the page that you could go into and it said if you had penalty point etc as you clicked into them,is this termed as using the code no if you go in to them?

Possibly. I did nosey around when I got my first code which is probably why it didn’t work. I definitely didn’t with second code.

I think you can generate numerous codes at the same time. If it comes back again, I’m gonna send them on 10

27-05-2021 9:23am

Guess what the postman delivered yesterday?

I did have to ring them again last week though. Spent 50 mins on hold then another 10/15 minutes as the woman answering the calls then having to call up the dept dealing with it and relaying their message back to me. They said they were waiting for DVLA to get back to them, I said I’d sent numerous check codes so they didn’t need to contact dvla, she said she didn’t know and was just passing message on.

I told her my insurance were threatening to cancel and could she ask that department to send me an email with current situation so I could send to my insurance. Never got email

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