Cheltenham 2021 Antepost

Dr. Bre · 08-02-2021 08:01PM

Where’s klassical Dream these days ?

NaiveMelodies · 08-02-2021 08:17PM

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Very interested in Mengli Khan for the Grand Annual
Am I mad?

I mentioned him a while back. Its between himself and Embittered.

You're definitely stone mad though.

Pogue eile · 08-02-2021 08:17PM

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Where’s klassical Dream these days ?

Himself and Bennie have run off together and are running a restruant in Spain.

Coneygree · 08-02-2021 09:47PM

Pogue eile wrote: »

Himself and Bennie have run off together and are running a restruant in Spain.

Laundering Labaik's money in Marbella I hear.

EICVD · 08-02-2021 09:55PM

Pogue eile wrote: »

Horse I took from yesterday for the boodles was Busellton if I'm honest. But not sure it will enjoy the Chetenham hill.

On a slightly realted matter, is the 'Boodles' the worst named race ever??

It’ll always be the Fred Winter!

naraicjul · 08-02-2021 10:26PM

On a serious note, anyone know what/how Benie is doing?

Is he going to Cheltenham? What race?

Pogue eile · 08-02-2021 10:36PM

naraicjul wrote: »

On a serious note, anyone know what/how Benie is doing?

Is he going to Cheltenham? What race?

They are sticking to the story that everything is fine and this was the plan similar to Quevega but who knows.

On the assumption that everything is ok, where do you go? If i was WPM I would be strongly considering runing Concertista in the Champion and leaving the Mares Hurlde to Bennie. They have the mares hurlde and mares chase convered so either Concertista to the Champion or Bennie to the Stayers.

Gavin "shels" · 08-02-2021 10:48PM

Worth creating a separate Handicaps - Cheltenham 2021 thread? Always love peoples angles on the Cheltenham Handicaps! @Slatts!

spuddiesal · 08-02-2021 11:08PM

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Some good points above. I'll mention one horse before i make a point about WPM brigade. Surely Put the kettle on is overpriced @ 12's for the CC. I think it s unbeaten around cheltenham (might be wrong) Anyone agree?

OK, s i have been thinking about WPM brigade this morning. He stated at the xmas festival that he changed some of his methods to ensure they were all primed for xmas festival. Again, his horses were all in prime form at the weekend. Now in general i always tend to avoid Mullins horses until March/April when he cleans up.

I think it could be the opposite this year that his horses may not be at the same level they have shown in 6 weeks time. I am basing this only on a hunch but a strong hunch.

On the flipside, i think Big G will have a huge festival. I think the Morans in te past year have forked out a small fortune on some decent animals so a close eye will be kept also in the spring.

Anyway, i'm predicting 7+winners for him

The Big G is cleaning the Morans

Pogue eile · 08-02-2021 11:16PM

spuddiesal wrote: »

The Big G is cleaning the Morans

That's why Im convinced that Zanahyir will go to the Triumph and not the supreme, he will definitely wnat to win at least one festival race for them, they're a god send to him.

Coneygree · 09-02-2021 12:11AM

Pogue eile wrote: »

That's why Im convinced that Zanahyir will go to the Triumph and not the supreme, he will definitely wnat to win at least one festival race for them, they're a god send to him.

Is there actual talk of Zanahyir going to the Supreme?

Motivator · 09-02-2021 12:23AM

Coneygree wrote: »

Is there actual talk of Zanahyir going to the Supreme?

If there is, it’s rubbish. The reason Gordon and Willie win so many races is because they put the horses where they have the best chance. They don’t take chances and play the “we’ll see what happens” game. The horse will go in whatever race Gordon thinks it has the best chance of winning.

I could never understand Willie being chastised for winning apparently soft Grade 1s with some horses. His job is to get horses to win races, not give Joe public the race he wants to see.

Pogue eile · 09-02-2021 12:42AM

Coneygree wrote: »

Is there actual talk of Zanahyir going to the Supreme?

Pleanty of it and he has been blue on oddschecker for the last few days, as short as 7/1 with the NRNB firms

Pogue eile · 09-02-2021 12:44AM

Motivator wrote: »

If there is, it’s rubbish. The reason Gordon and Willie win so many races is because they put the horses where they have the best chance. They don’t take chances and play the “we’ll see what happens” game. The horse will go in whatever race Gordon thinks it has the best chance of winning.

I hope you are right as someone who is balls deep in Zanahyir for the Triumph, but the fly in the ointment if you like is the fact that Gordon could win the Triumph with his third choice never mind second choice

RivetingRoger · 09-02-2021 10:05AM

Pogue eile wrote: »

Himself and Bennie have run off together and are running a restruant in Spain.

Did they bring Gypsy Island with them as a silent partner?

RivetingRoger · 09-02-2021 10:07AM

Coneygree wrote: »

Is there actual talk of Zanahyir going to the Supreme?

Being suggested on a few forums anbd podcasts since the weekend
Also the possibility of Quilixious going to the supreme
Not too many Juv's have gone that route but Gordon doesn't have an obvious chance as we speak in he supreme does he ? Presuming Ballyadam goes Ballymore

Coneygree · 09-02-2021 10:10AM

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Being suggested on a few forums anbd podcasts since the weekend
Also the possibility of Quilixious going to the supreme
Not too many Juv's have gone that route but Gordon doesn't have an obvious chance as we speak in he supreme does he ? Presuming Ballyadam goes Ballymore

Quilixios isn't a novice so he can't go Supreme

RivetingRoger · 09-02-2021 10:12AM

Coneygree wrote: »

Quilixios isn't a novice so he can't go Supreme

Interesting, Kevin Blake mentioned the possibility of it on last nights BetFair podcast with Hugh Cahill and Tony Calvin...........

Coneygree · 09-02-2021 10:14AM

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Interesting, Kevin Blake mentioned the possibility of it on last nights BetFair podcast with Hugh Cahill and Tony Calvin...........

Won a race in France last March so his novice status is gone. Funny one how a juvenile isn't a novice.

naraicjul · 09-02-2021 10:29AM

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Presuming Ballyadam goes Ballymore

Is this the word out there?

Coneygree · 09-02-2021 11:48AM

I think the Ballymore is much deeper than the Supreme, Ballyadam shouldn't switch. Supreme is fairly poor besides Appreciate It. Metier is second favourite for God's sake. And after Ballyadam you've the Triumph and Bumper favourites as next favourites for it.

With better suiting ground Ballyadam can definitely get closer to Appreciate It.

Slattsy · 09-02-2021 11:52AM

Gavin shels wrote: »

Worth creating a separate Handicaps - Cheltenham 2021 thread? Always love peoples angles on the Cheltenham Handicaps! @Slatts!

Probably a good idea but worth waiting until the marks are out could be the best thing to do?

Or just back every JP horse blind

IAMAMORON · 09-02-2021 12:21PM

Coneygree wrote: »

Quilixios isn't a novice so he can't go Supreme

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Interesting, Kevin Blake mentioned the possibility of it on last nights BetFair podcast with Hugh Cahill and Tony Calvin...........

He won a hurdle in France last March, although in fairness I am only guessing that is why he cannot be considered a novice.

https://www.racingpost.com/results/291/compiegne/2020-03-02/753038

Coneygree · 09-02-2021 12:29PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

He won a hurdle in France last March, although in fairness I am only guessing that is why he cannot be considered a novice.

https://www.racingpost.com/results/291/compiegne/2020-03-02/753038

It's funny how Quilixios isn't four yet he'll be racing with the big boys and girls next year whereas Sir Gerhard will be 6 entering his novice hurdle season.

IAMAMORON · 09-02-2021 12:46PM

They send them over fences in France as 2 year olds. They don't faff around.

But French NH breeds spit the dummy a few years earlier. You won't see many French breds racing in to their teens like Irish breeds and British home breeds.

It is kind of the same for juvenile hurdlers. I reckon if you don't give them a break after their 4 yr old campaign they tend to spit the dummy. They lose appetite for it. They get destroyed too young.

Stevieluvsye · 09-02-2021 12:53PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

They send them over fences in France as 2 year olds. They don't faff around.

But French NH breeds spit the dummy a few years earlier. You won't see many French breds racing in to their teens like Irish breeds and British home breeds.

It is kind of the same for juvenile hurdlers. I reckon if you don't give them a break after their 4 yr old campaign they tend to spit the dummy. They lose appetite for it. They get destroyed too young.

Yep. Wrong way to go about it. Horses lose their appetite for racing by the time they are 8/9.

Whereas Irish/English yokes are still sometime improving at that age.

I am at the early planning stage of buying a NH horse and won't be touching anything french

In saying that, the one (irish bred) i had a share in was no great shakes, and when i say no great shakes, i mean no great shakes! 1 win in 40 odd starts.

But oul Roger L said it was a dcent enough yoke, god love him. Obviously trying to humour me

Coneygree · 09-02-2021 12:58PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

They send them over fences in France as 2 year olds. They don't faff around.

But French NH breeds spit the dummy a few years earlier. You won't see many French breds racing in to their teens like Irish breeds and British home breeds.

It is kind of the same for juvenile hurdlers. I reckon if you don't give them a break after their 4 yr old campaign they tend to spit the dummy. They lose appetite for it. They get destroyed too young.

Defi Du Seuil

posturingpat · 09-02-2021 01:00PM

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Yep. Wrong way to go about it. Horses lose their appetite for racing by the time they are 8/9.

Whereas Irish/English yokes are still sometime improving at that age.

I am at the early planning stage of buying a NH horse and won't be touching anything french

In saying that, the one (irish bred) i had a share in was no great shakes, and when i say no great shakes, i mean no great shakes! 1 win in 40 odd starts.

But oul Roger L said it was a dcent enough yoke, god love him. Obviously trying to humour me

Random question Stevey, did you along with a friend or 2 ever get a taxi to Punchestown races when Hurricane fly and Jezki were facing off from Busaras after the bus didnt turn up?
That story about your horse sounds very familiar. Small world if we have met before :pac:

IAMAMORON · 09-02-2021 01:05PM

Don't buy a horse unless you don't need the money. Seriously, they cost a fortune to buy... then monthly fees... vets... jockeys.... transport... entries.... vets.... knobbling....feed......trainer fees.... After all that the phucker won't even recognise you.

Only buy one for the craic and be prepared to lose all your money.

If you are mad keen to have an interest have a look at a syndicate. It will cost you a lot less and you will get to meet new people and get a few days at the races out of it.

Stevieluvsye · 09-02-2021 01:08PM

posturingpat wrote: »

Random question Stevey, did you along with a friend or 2 ever get a taxi to Punchestown races when Hurricane fly and Jezki were facing off from Busaras after the bus didnt turn up?
That story about your horse sounds very familiar. Small world if we have met before :pac:

Not me but i can guess it was a couple of others from the syndicate

They'd certainly have the cash to get a taxi that far

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