How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2021 5:10pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

We can see it already with people like Michelle O'Neil very comfortable being part of the British establishment.

I see Irish politicians very comfortable and secure in their identity.

Sam Russell · 07-02-2021 5:37pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

We can see it already with people like Michelle O'Neil very comfortable being part of the British establishment.

Or is it , Michelle O'Neil is very comfortable being part of the NI establishment.

AckwelFoley · 07-02-2021 5:41pm

I don't see an all island state in my lifetime. I can't see how you would convince even moderate unionists that it would be beneficial for them and their identity, when they seem to be happy to vote with their heart and rarely their head. Brexit makes no economic sense yet the majority of unionists vote for it.

Sam Russell · 07-02-2021 5:54pm

AckwelFoley wrote: »

I don't see an all island state in my lifetime. I can't see how you would convince even moderate unionists that it would be beneficial for them and their identity, when they seem to be happy to vote with their heart and rarely their head. Brexit makes no economic sense yet the majority of unionists vote for it.

If the outcome from Brexit is major economic decline for the UK, with little or no effect on Ireland, even a significant growth in GDP, it might be necessary for significant UK public spending cutbacks.

If the cutbacks unduly effect the NI subvention, then the half-crown comes into play. If the cuts for NI appear to be unfair, well the it is game on.

downcow · 07-02-2021 5:54pm

AckwelFoley wrote: »

I don't see an all island state in my lifetime. I can't see how you would convince even moderate unionists that it would be beneficial for them and their identity, when they seem to be happy to vote with their heart and rarely their head. Brexit makes no economic sense yet the majority of unionists vote for it.

Agreed. And you have to start by trying to convince moderate nationalists to change their position of wanting to remain in UK

downcow · 07-02-2021 5:55pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Northern Ireland can benefit and have the best of both worlds but unionists are vehemently opposed to the present terms which allow that kind of " best of both worlds " unique advantage

Have you any idea how many laughable rediculous rules are in place because of protocol. Those rules need to go, and will go. Then we’ll be in a good place

downcow · 07-02-2021 5:57pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

If the outcome from Brexit is major economic decline for the UK, with little or no effect on Ireland, even a significant growth in GDP, it might be necessary for significant UK public spending cutbacks.

If the cutbacks unduly effect the NI subvention, then the half-crown comes into play. If the cuts for NI appear to be unfair, well the it is game on.

If if if

Sam Russell · 07-02-2021 5:57pm

downcow wrote: »

Have you any idea how many laughable rediculous rules are in place because of protocol. Those rules need to go, and will go. Then we’ll be in a good place

The rules are a consequence of leaving the SM.

downcow · 07-02-2021 5:58pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

The rules are a consequence of leaving the SM.

But many of them are typically Eu ie no sense and no benefit to anyone They will go.

AckwelFoley · 07-02-2021 6:00pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

If the outcome from Brexit is major economic decline for the UK, with little or no effect on Ireland, even a significant growth in GDP, it might be necessary for significant UK public spending cutbacks.

If the cutbacks unduly effect the NI subvention, then the half-crown comes into play. If the cuts for NI appear to be unfair, well the it is game on.

That would be a logical conclusion but - I don't think that would pan out. The northern Irish unionist already has a distrust for downing Street, but frankly , they'd rather eat bread and soup than be part of an all island Ireland

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2021 6:02pm

downcow wrote: »

If if if

No 'ifs' so far. 68% loss in exports so far downcow. With the UK still to sort out customs their end.
It's a **** show and it isn't going to get better.

Sam Russell · 07-02-2021 6:03pm

downcow wrote: »

Sam Russell wrote: »

If the outcome from Brexit is major economic decline for the UK, with little or no effect on Ireland, even a significant growth in GDP, it might be necessary for significant UK public spending cutbacks.

If the cutbacks unduly effect the NI subvention, then the half-crown comes into play. If the cuts for NI appear to be unfair, well the it is game on.

If if if

Of course, but Brexit looks like it is not going well, and Cornwall have been denied the EU subvention promised - they got 10% of it. All it will take is sluggish recovery from Covid, and austerity beckons. All it would take is a good recovery in Ireland, and the stage is set.

AckwelFoley · 07-02-2021 6:06pm

downcow wrote: »

Agreed. And you have to start by trying to convince moderate nationalists to change their position of wanting to remain in UK

That's quite true. I know one businessman employs around 80 people and is from staunchly IRA country. He very quietly admitted he votes for the UUP.

The nationalist alternatives aren't pro business despite the rhetoric

RobMc59 · 07-02-2021 6:22pm

I saw this last year about a Donegal company looking to secure a site for a facility they hope to build in NI as a result of brexit but NI isn't going to do well out of any this right?
"Ballybofey operations not affected by Tyrone plans - Mulrines - Highland Radio - Latest Donegal News and Sport" https://www.highlandradio.com/2020/07/02/ballybofey-operations-not-affected-by-tyrone-plans-mulrines/

downcow · 07-02-2021 6:26pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

Of course, but Brexit looks like it is not going well, and Cornwall have been denied the EU subvention promised - they got 10% of it. All it will take is sluggish recovery from Covid, and austerity beckons. All it would take is a good recovery in Ireland, and the stage is set.

Incredible wishful thinking. It’s great to have a neighbour that wants you to fail but says he wants to be your friend lol

Fionn1952 · 07-02-2021 6:34pm

AckwelFoley wrote: »

That's quite true. I know one businessman employs around 80 people and is from staunchly IRA country. He very quietly admitted he votes for the UUP.

The nationalist alternatives aren't pro business despite the rhetoric

Imagine how happy he'd be with FF to vote for!

Fionn1952 · 07-02-2021 6:37pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

I saw this last year about a Donegal company looking to secure a site for a facility they hope to build in NI as a result of brexit but NI isn't going to do well out of any this right?
"Ballybofey operations not affected by Tyrone plans - Mulrines - Highland Radio - Latest Donegal News and Sport" https://www.highlandradio.com/2020/07/02/ballybofey-operations-not-affected-by-tyrone-plans-mulrines/

Exports down by 68%, but a juice company isn't cancelling its already existing plans to open a facility in Tyrone....christ, up there with the Albania trade deal. Britannia rules the waves indeed.

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2021 6:41pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

I saw this last year about a Donegal company looking to secure a site for a facility they hope to build in NI as a result of brexit but NI isn't going to do well out of any this right?
"Ballybofey operations not affected by Tyrone plans - Mulrines - Highland Radio - Latest Donegal News and Sport" https://www.highlandradio.com/2020/07/02/ballybofey-operations-not-affected-by-tyrone-plans-mulrines/

...and how did it go? Surely after a year they'd be set up and running? Or did something change their minds?

Sam Russell · 07-02-2021 7:01pm

downcow wrote: »

Incredible wishful thinking. It’s great to have a neighbour that wants you to fail but says he wants to be your friend lol

No, not really, just to provide a safe exit for a friend if things go pear shaped.

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2021 7:11pm

The Irish government must make sure that the now certain fact, that a political party effectively behaved as the 'terrorist threat' here in the last two weeks is known by every single member state.

Edwin Poots and the DUP fabricated the threat in order to try and bring down the protocol and therefore the agreement.
That is an unforgiveable rogue action and an extremely dangerous one.

jm08 · 07-02-2021 7:45pm

downcow wrote: »

But many of them are typically Eu ie no sense and no benefit to anyone They will go.

Which rules do you think can/will go?

RobMc59 · 07-02-2021 8:26pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

...and how did it go? Surely after a year they'd be set up and running? Or did something change their minds?

Donegal has had more than it`s fair share of problems with covid,probably originating in Monaghan which has some of the highest rates in Ireland apparently.This has probably put a stop to any developments there.

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2021 8:30pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

Donegal has had more than it`s fair share of problems with covid,probably originating in Monaghan which has some of the highest rates in Ireland apparently.This has probably put a stop to any developments there.

I'm sure you'll stoke an argument with someone Rob. Won't be me sadly.

RobMc59 · 07-02-2021 8:33pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm sure you'll stoke an argument with someone Rob. Won't be me sadly.

Francie,I apologise for that post.It was uncalled for and thoughtless in the current situation.

downcow · 07-02-2021 8:39pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Irish government must make sure that the now certain fact, that a political party effectively behaved as the 'terrorist threat' here in the last two weeks is known by every single member state.

Edwin Poots and the DUP fabricated the threat in order to try and bring down the protocol and therefore the agreement.
That is an unforgiveable rogue action and an extremely dangerous one.

Is that not what Leo has spent a couple of years doing ?

JasonStatham · 07-02-2021 8:42pm

downcow wrote: »

Incredible wishful thinking. It’s great to have a neighbour that wants you to fail but says he wants to be your friend lol

I don't think the Republic wants NI to fail - it's in our best interest for it to be stable.

downcow · 07-02-2021 8:44pm

jm08 wrote: »

Which rules do you think can/will go?

eg
If I go to the premier bulls sales in Carlisle or Stirling I can buy an English bull and bring it home but if my neighbour is there with his Northern Irish bull I cannot buy it and bring it home Also if I take a bull over and it doesn’t sell I can’t bring it home again, but I can bring hamish mcstavish’s home from Inverness.

Seems my bull which was reared on this island is more of a bio security risk to the EU after two days in Stirling that John Smiths bull in the stall next door which travelled up from Kent.

Much of this stuff is mad Eu nonsense

jmlad2020 · 07-02-2021 8:47pm

We need to make Irish men more attractive to Unionist women to phase out the Unionist gene.

Unification through fornication.

downcow · 07-02-2021 8:47pm

JasonStatham wrote: »

I don't think the Republic wants NI to fail - it's in our best interest for it to be stable.

Some posters on here clearly do

downcow · 07-02-2021 8:49pm

jmlad2020 wrote: »

We need to make Irish men more attractive to Unionist women to phase out the Unionist gene.

Unification through fornication.

Lol. My mum had me well warned about that tactic 40 years ago

How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

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