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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #5402
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,349 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    This will surprise no one, given that doing almost anything in this country is extortionate but has anyone from officialdom spoken out and explained why the above is the case?

    A spokesperson for the Govt said: "it's good value"

    I was gobsmacked.


  • #5403
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Del Griffith wrote: »
    The more cars on the road, the more people crash, more people crash, more die.
    Let's ban cars.
    We can have a zero road death Ireland, if we just ban all cars from the island.

    Do we not do this? Are we sacrificing peoples lives for the convenience of driving?
    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The N20 Cork Limerick road is one example of a cost being put on people’s lives.

    It’s claimed countless lives over the years but still exists

    Yet, when it comes to Covid, lives are priceless.
    Hmob wrote: »
    Would we endure masks at concerts and theatres etc. forever?

    I wonder

    Not read such nonsense on boards for a while.

    We have safety measures in place to control driving and reduce deaths just like we have for Covid.


  • #5404
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Hmob wrote: »
    What would we do if there were no vaccines for covid?

    Presumably proper masks and distancing where possible and just get on with it

    Extra ICU beds

    We wouldn't be allowed to hug kids

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/lockdown-rules-likely-ignored-vaccine-rollout-b900242.html

    Kids couldn't have friends

    Sport is out for every one

    Socializing would be too risky

    Family time would need to be regulated

    But don't worry, the bureaucrats can think for us, what could go wrong!!


  • #5405
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Not read such nonsense on boards for a while.

    We have safety measures in place to control driving and reduce deaths just like we have for Covid.

    We do have measures to reduce road deaths.

    Those measures don’t include reducing cancer screening by 60%.

    Those measures are cost effective

    So for all the nonsense you have read on boards, none of it involves thinking beyond what’s on RTE


  • #5406
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Del Griffith wrote: »
    The more cars on the road, the more people crash, more people crash, more die.
    Let's ban cars.
    We can have a zero road death Ireland, if we just ban all cars from the island.

    Do we not do this? Are we sacrificing peoples lives for the convenience of driving?

    Are cars comparable to airborne viruses? No.

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  • #5407
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Are cars comparable to airborne viruses? No.

    The effect/risk related to other road users is similar to other people putting your health in jeopardy.


  • #5408
    Hmob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Hmob


    Cars move around like viruses

    They've that in common


  • #5409
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    We do have measures to reduce road deaths.

    Those measures don’t include reducing cancer screening by 60%.

    Because there is absolutely zero chance of road accidents completely overwhelming our health service within a couple of weeks. Covid, allowed to run free, will do exactly that. Comparing the two is ridiculous.


  • #5410
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The effect/risk related to other road users is similar to other people putting your health in jeopardy.

    Nope


  • #5411
    Hmob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Hmob


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Because there is absolutely zero chance of road accidents completely overwhelming our health service within a couple of weeks. Covid, allowed to run free, will do exactly that. Comparing the two is ridiculous.

    If we took away speed limits checkpoints and NCT, drink drive limits

    What then?


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  • #5412
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Hmob wrote: »
    If we took away speed limits checkpoints and NCT, drink drive limits

    What then?
    huh? Why on earth would we do that?


  • #5413
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Because there is absolutely zero chance of road accidents completely overwhelming our health service within a couple of weeks. Covid, allowed to run free, will do exactly that. Comparing the two is ridiculous.

    Exactly.

    Mask wearing and social distancing is not allowing it to run free however.


  • #5414
    Hmob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Hmob


    Scotty # wrote: »
    huh? Why on earth would we do that?

    Think about it.

    We have restrictions on cars the same as we have covid restrictions


  • #5415
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Graham wrote: »
    Nope

    How many young people die on the road’s due to other road user’s?

    Then calculate the probability of death for young people due to Covid


  • #5416
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Is it possible for cars to keep crashing at an exponentially growing rate? I'm pretty sure I've heard this analogy around the time of CERN starting the LHC.

    Definitely didn't expect to see it dragged out for a pandemic.


  • #5417
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    How many young people die on the road’s due to other road user’s?

    Then calculate the probability of death for young people due to Covid

    No thanks

    but you feel free


  • #5418
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Is it possible for cars to keep crashing at an exponentially growing rate? I'm pretty sure I've heard this analogy around the time of CERN starting the LHC.

    Definitely didn't expect to see it dragged out for a pandemic.

    The point being made here is risk analysis for those younger than 50.

    Make no mistake, one group of citizens, those under 50, are sacrificing the future they may have to prolong the lives of those older than them.

    I hope it doesn’t go unnoticed


  • #5419
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Graham wrote: »
    No thanks

    but you feel free

    Precisely my point.

    You have no interest in investigating the risk/sunk cost’s related to Covid


  • #5420
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Precisely my point.

    You have no interest in investigating the risk/sunk cost’s related to Covid

    I can honestly say I just have no interest in a meaningless comparison with absolutely no bearing on a pandemic.


  • #5421
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The point being made here is risk analysis for those younger than 50.

    Make no mistake, one group of citizens, those under 50, are sacrificing the future they may have to prolong the lives of those older than them.

    I hope it doesn’t go unnoticed

    All citizens are making massive sacrifices. I like to think that's not going unnoticed.

    The risk analysis is just bonkers. Your mode of comparison makes no sense. You cannot crash cars in Ireland in an exponential growing manner that all the car crash victims would end up needing access to health care at once.


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  • #5422
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Graham wrote: »
    I can honestly say I just have no interest in a meaningless comparison with absolutely no bearing on a pandemic.

    It’s highlighting a lack of awareness of danger for those not at risk from Covid.

    It’s something I always tease out of people I have discussion with on the topic.

    Those coming after us will pay the bill type attitude


  • #5423
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    It’s highlighting a lack of awareness of danger

    It's highlighting nothing.


  • #5424
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Del Griffith wrote: »
    You really have a hard time following some of these posts. Read it again, it's a step by step.

    We know for a fact that we can stop 100% of car crash deaths by removing all cars from the island of Ireland. That's a car I'm talking about, not a disease - stay with me.

    The question is why don't we do it?

    Would it be that life at all times comes with an accepted level of risk? Why have we not locked down cars this whole time? We're letting people die!

    That's a completely shíte analogy that's been dealt with a lot previously in this thread. Over the years cars and roads have been made safer and safer with the introduction of things like seatbelts, airbags, crash barriers, etc., etc. Speed limits have been introduced. You could call them restrictions. You can't catch a potentially life threatening illness from a car.

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  • #5425
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The risk analysis is just bonkers. Your mode of comparison makes no sense.

    I don't think it's actually meant to make sense, that's not the point of that type of post.


  • #5426
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    To be honest I might not.

    I was trying to sound relevant

    Does it not mean trying to silence debate?

    If not I’ll accept I’m past it

    No. It doesn't. You're past it.

    :p

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  • #5427
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Turtwig wrote: »
    All citizens are making massive sacrifices. I like to think that's not going unnoticed.

    The risk analysis is just bonkers. Your mode of comparison makes no sense. You cannot crash cars in Ireland in an exponential growing manner that all the car crash victims would end up needing access to health care at once.

    Perhaps you are correct. Covid is not comparable to a car crash.

    Car crashes are dangerous to those fit to work

    Imagine if the median age of death from car crashes was 83, the safety campaigns would not carry as much weight


  • #5428
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Horse dead, stop flogging.


  • #5429
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Turtwig wrote: »
    All citizens are making massive sacrifices. I like to think that's not going unnoticed.

    The risk analysis is just bonkers. Your mode of comparison makes no sense. You cannot crash cars in Ireland in an exponential growing manner that all the car crash victims would end up needing access to health care at once.

    Unlike cancer, heart disease, mental health issues evident in young and old, the social costs of a deep recession, depriving people of social outlets, employment opportunities, not to mention the long term costs of these policies on taxpayers and their ability to pay rent or mortgages or start businesses.

    You sound like this has all been well thought through? This has all been thrust upon us by bureaucrats of dysfunctional health systems and environmental factors beyond our control.

    Nobody has thought this through, absolutely nobody, it has never been done before...that is bonkers!


  • #5430
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Penfailed wrote: »
    No. It doesn't. You're past it.

    :p

    I must concede

    Modern language is difficult to follow


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  • #5431
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Like some alternate reality out of the twilight zone in here


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