Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

FintanMcluskey · 06-02-2021 04:25PM

aidoh wrote: »

What do we all think will re-open on March 5th?

Gyms, "non-essential" retail, schools?

Maybe nothing?

Schools hopefully.

I wouldn’t be overly optimistic though, judging by the conservativeness evident since last March

ypres5 · 06-02-2021 04:41PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Schools hopefully.

I wouldn’t be overly optimistic though, judging by the conservativeness evident since last March

im looking forward to a repeat of last year when we have 20 cases a day and empty hospitals and still being told we're not where we need to be yet. wherever where is

walus · 06-02-2021 04:45PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Schools hopefully.

I wouldn’t be overly optimistic though, judging by the conservativeness evident since last March

And the fact that 70% of teachers feel stressed probably will not help either.

Mr. Karate · 06-02-2021 04:51PM

ypres5 wrote: »

im looking forward to a repeat of last year when we have 20 cases a day and empty hospitals and still being told we're not where we need to be yet. wherever where is

That's where they lost the good will of the people last year. When they kept the lockdown going even though it was obviously time to open up again. Then when we finally had a bit of freedom they threw us back into lockdown "just to play it safe".

Windmill100000 · 06-02-2021 04:57PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

That's where they lost the good will of the people last year. When they kept the lockdown going even though it was obviously time to open up again. Then when we finally had a bit of freedom they threw us back into lockdown "just to play it safe".

You say they lost the good will, yet people in the main agreed level 5 was essential after Christmas. A journal.ie survey had 75% agreeing the highest level of restrictions were required to stop the sharp rise in cases.

Do you think lockdown after Christmas was unnecessary?

Silentcorner · 06-02-2021 05:19PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

You say they lost the good will, yet people in the main agreed level 5 was essential after Christmas. A journal.ie survey had 75% agreeing the highest level of restrictions were required to stop the sharp rise in cases.

Do you think lockdown after Christmas was unnecessary?

Do you think, given what we know now, that there should be any restrictions from end of April to end of Sept?

I wouldn't pay too much attention to a poll in The Journal, their readers are most likely terrified of the virus, as are most of the readers/viewers of any Irish media outlet!

06-02-2021 05:24PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

You say they lost the good will, yet people in the main agreed level 5 was essential after Christmas. A journal.ie survey had 75% agreeing the highest level of restrictions were required to stop the sharp rise in cases.

Do you think lockdown after Christmas was unnecessary?

Lockdown was not necessary last May - November. And we were either locked down or heavily restricted during lots of that period. That’s when they lost the will of the people.

Now, most people would agree that some kind of restrictions were needed after Christmas and that’s fair enough.

But once again, we have extra restrictions than other countries and are openly talking about a very slow reopening more towards late summer. And foreign holidays will be much stricter than last year.

And this is why they’ll lose the will of the people once again. It’s even worse than last year in terms of pro longed lockdown.

we’ve had a year to learn to live with it. Pathetic all around.

Idbatterim · 06-02-2021 05:27PM

Graham wrote: »

IMF / EU / ISM / BoE / Tánaiste.

What's your source to say austerity is coming?

No offence, but do you expect turkeys to vote for Christmas? Pessimistics soundings can also become a self fulfilling prophecy. These agencies etc have got no more of a clue what's around the corner, than the rest of us... and they have a vested interest

Windmill100000 · 06-02-2021 05:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Lockdown was not necessary last May - November. And we were either locked down or heavily restricted during lots of that period. That’s when they lost the will of the people.

Now, most people would agree that some kind of restrictions were needed after Christmas and that’s fair enough.

But once again, we have extra restrictions than other countries and are openly talking about a very slow reopening more towards late summer. And foreign holidays will be much stricter than last year.

And this is why they’ll lose the will of the people once again. It’s even worse than last year in terms of pro longed lockdown.

we’ve had a year to learn to live with it. Pathetic all around.

I disagree. I think Christmas showed people what can happen and people are very wary of us opening up too soon and seeing a repeat of that. That's not to say people aren't sick to the teeth of it.

Cork Lass · 06-02-2021 05:33PM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-find-holidaymakers-using-fake-letters-for-travel-1076808.html

This article really shows that if you’re happy to add €500 to the cost of your holiday the you can just carry on. It’s madness, the fine for people leaving to go on a holiday should be high enough to deter them.

walus · 06-02-2021 05:43PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I disagree. I think Christmas showed people what can happen and people are very wary of us opening up too soon and seeing a repeat of that. That's not to say people aren't sick to the teeth of it.

Christmas showed what happens when a paternalistic government with poor transparency, constantly shifting goalposts restricts the freedom of people for far too long and beyond what’s reasonable and appropriate.

We had months when cases were in tens, with number of deaths statistically insignificant, and yet the narrative was do not travel, the next two weeks are critical and all that malarkey. You only get peoples buy in for so long, if you abuse it, you lose it. And for this strategy to be unsuccessful it only takes the minority to stop giving a fcuk.

Edit: and so just to be clear this current lockdown was necessary (or should I rather say, the number of hospitalisations of sick with covid rose so rapidly) but only because the prior six months were a total overreaction.

walus · 06-02-2021 05:48PM

Cork Lass wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-find-holidaymakers-using-fake-letters-for-travel-1076808.html

This article really shows that if you’re happy to add €500 to the cost of your holiday the you can just carry on. It’s madness, the fine for people leaving to go on a holiday should be high enough to deter them.

Out of the interest, what is consider an essential travel and what isn’t? For example is the summer visit to elderly parents deemed essential? Did not see mine for 2 years this summer and was wondering will my trip be 500 euro more expensive?

Necro · 06-02-2021 05:50PM

frozen3 wrote: »

They could make it fair anyway

Poor staff in Nursing homes and high risk environments working for €10 an hour are/were getting infected one after the other and get/got €350 for 2 weeks on illness benefit and then €203 a week afterwards while sick as a dog

Then people on the PUP get €350 sitting at home with no risk to health

That's scandalous imo

That's not true. If you are a confirmed positive case of Covid-19 the Enhanced Rate of Illness Benefit pays for up to 10 weeks.

After that it reduces to a rate based on your average weekly earnings from the Governing Contribution Year, which for 2021 is 2019. Max rate is based on earnings over 300 p/w which is currently 203.

silverharp · 06-02-2021 05:50PM

cant be arsed watching the rugby, not missing anything

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1358094858477527043

Silentcorner · 06-02-2021 05:52PM

silverharp wrote: »

cant be arsed watching the rugby, not missing anything

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1358094858477527043

That is insane!!!!

06-02-2021 06:02PM

silverharp wrote: »

cant be arsed watching the rugby, not missing anything

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1358094858477527043

Italy continued to maintain the 2m gap for much of their match having seen the score

Windmill100000 · 06-02-2021 06:04PM

walus wrote: »

Christmas showed what happens when a paternalistic government with poor transparency, constantly shifting goalposts restricts the freedom of people for far too long and beyond what’s reasonable and appropriate.

We had months were cases were in tens, with number of deaths statistically insignificant, and yet the narrative was do not travel, the next two weeks are critical and all that malarkey. You only get peoples buy in for so long, if you abuse it, you lose it. And for this strategy to be unsuccessful it only takes the minority to stop giving a fcuk.

Edit: and so just to be clear this current lockdown was necessary, but only because the prior six months were a total overreaction. Or should I rather say, the number of hospitalisations of sick with covid rose so rapidly.

Silentcorner wrote: »

Do you think, given what we know now, that there should be any restrictions from end of April to end of Sept?

I wouldn't pay too much attention to a poll in The Journal, their readers are most likely terrified of the virus, as are most of the readers/viewers of any Irish media outlet!

See that's a tough one, what do we know now exactly? We know that numbers can increase very quickly. We know there are new varieties of the virus constantly popping up.

In the absence of any other polls I will assume the journal.ie is of merit though. I don't accept "all" readers of the site are terrified of the virus. After all, 25% said they did not believe level 5 was necessary

Only time will tell if people will adhere to ongoing restrictions. I can't predict the future any better than anyone else on here. My take is they will but that's an opinion only.

Mr. Karate · 06-02-2021 06:05PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

You say they lost the good will, yet people in the main agreed level 5 was essential after Christmas.

I'm talking about last Summer when the case and death numbers were virtually non existent for weeks. They kept trotting the vague "The numbers just aren't there yet" bull****.

A journal.ie survey had 75% agreeing the highest level of restrictions were required to stop the sharp rise in cases.

Hilary had a 98% chance of victory in 2016. We all know how that turned out. Polls are easily rigged to get the outcome you want. Its foolish to put too much stock in them.

Do you think lockdown after Christmas was unnecessary?

I never said this one was unnecessary. I reserve the right to change my mind at the end of the month if/when the numbers of cases and deaths have fallen off and they start trotting out the "The numbers just aren't there yet" bull**** again to extend the lockdown into Summer.

Windmill100000 · 06-02-2021 06:07PM

I see most people adhering to restrictions, Karate, so I'd say it is a fair representation. I hardly think it foolish. Fact is people are adhering to restrictions.

Mr. Karate · 06-02-2021 06:13PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I see most people adhering to restrictions, Karate, so I'd say it is a fair representation. I hardly think it foolish. Fact is people are adhering to restrictions.

You can be adhering to them and still be fed up of them and dying for normality to return.

Windmill100000 · 06-02-2021 06:16PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

You can be adhering to them and still be fed up of them and dying for normality to return.

Absolutely. Does anyone really want to remain in lockdown? But I do believe people see the merit of them in light of Christmas. I think those figures shocked a lot of people and showed how quickly a situation can change.

Mr. Karate · 06-02-2021 06:22PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Absolutely. Does anyone really want to remain in lockdown? But I do believe people see the merit of them in light of Christmas. I think those figures shocked a lot of people and showed how quickly a situation can change.

The problem is that lockdowns should only be for a few weeks. Not something that stretches on for months.

Turtwig · 06-02-2021 06:39PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The problem is that lockdowns should only be for a few weeks. Not something that stretches on for months.

Think everyone agrees with this. Trouble is each time the opportunity for this arose, Ireland delayed far too long. Sad nature of exponential growth is a delay of a few days can cost you weeks to revert. Ireland delayed weeks!

Windmill100000 · 06-02-2021 06:40PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The problem is that lockdowns should only be for a few weeks. Not something that stretches on for months.

I think last year there was great uncertainty that extreme caution was deemed necessary. This year we are dealing with such huge numbers that level 5 lockdown is essential.

I am hopeful that as case numbers drop, industries will open up. I don't see a mad rush in doing it, but I see it happening.

niallo27 · 06-02-2021 06:44PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I think last year there was great uncertainty that extreme caution was deemed necessary. This year we are dealing with such huge numbers that level 5 lockdown is essential.

I am hopeful that as case numbers drop, industries will open up. I don't see a mad rush in doing it, but I see it happening.

Was there though, a simple look around Europe and you could see they were open without cases exploding during the summer

Windmill100000 · 06-02-2021 06:52PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Was there though, a simple look around Europe and you could see they were open without cases exploding during the summer

Clearly it was deemed necessary. Was there any other legitimate reason to keep people in lockdown?. Do people really think the government wanted people to suffer for absolutely no reason? That is a genuine question.

Clonmel1000 · 06-02-2021 06:55PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Clearly it was deemed necessary. Was there any other legitimate reason to keep people in lockdown?. Do people really think the government wanted people to suffer for absolutely no reason? That is a genuine question.

Conservative govt conservative people, weak opposition, no media. Ireland has a history of this just look at the scandals and church state collusion throughout our history.

CruelSummer · 06-02-2021 07:10PM

Summer 2021 in Ireland here we come. The permanently outraged, the social media video posts, the ‘I’ve a right to be here so no one else does’ brigade.

https://twitter.com/declanvarley/status/1358061872805785601?s=21

Poor Frank & Una on Joe Duffy - at least the mask slipped on a lot of the outraged callers. People actually think they’ve a right to ‘police’ others actions.

dalyboy · 06-02-2021 07:14PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

That is insane!!!!

If ever there was a example of pure virtue signalling it’s this 2M apart prematch spectacle. Im surprised they were not wearing masks too.

Utterly pathetic is what is.

GazzaL · 06-02-2021 07:20PM

dalyboy wrote: »

If ever there was a example of pure virtue signalling it’s this 2M apart prematch spectacle. Im surprised they were not wearing masks too.

Utterly pathetic is what is.

Whoever came up with that plan is a complete and utter moron.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings