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    #4952
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    I find it hard to take when 15 and 16 year olds go “missing” and show back up again a minuscule amount of time later and it’s considered bad taste to ask where they were. “That doesn’t matter, they’re safe and that’s all that matters”. Well ultimately it is all that matters but I’m convinced some of them just do it without giving a rats and do it for the craic.


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    #4953
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,800 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I find it hard to take when 15 and 16 year olds go “missing” and show back up again a minuscule amount of time later and it’s considered bad taste to ask where they were. “That doesn’t matter, they’re safe and that’s all that matters”. Well ultimately it is all that matters but I’m convinced some of them just do it without giving a rats and do it for the craic.

    They waste heaps of police time whether it's a "go missing" game or playing at running away after an argument, coming back for dinner two days later.

    We would have got a kick up the hole from parents for dragging guards into it and an earful from the guards themselves, they get cuddles, kisses and their favourite meal.


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    #4954
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    They waste heaps of police time whether it's a "go missing" game or playing at running away after an argument, coming back for dinner two days later.

    We would have got a kick up the hole from parents for dragging guards into it and an earful from the guards themselves, they get cuddles, kisses and their favourite meal.

    Call me cynical but the parents nearly always seem to be cut from the same mould too. It's like they love all the facebook huns sharing and praying for their angles.


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    #4955
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ^^^are yea alright folks, is lockdown getting to you? You seem a bit judgemental there!


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    #4956
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,260 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I find it hard to take when 15 and 16 year olds go “missing” and show back up again a minuscule amount of time later and it’s considered bad taste to ask where they were. “That doesn’t matter, they’re safe and that’s all that matters”. Well ultimately it is all that matters but I’m convinced some of them just do it without giving a rats and do it for the craic.

    Any teen that I've known of to go missing has generally being in a foster home and they seem to do it a lot and they seem to have lots of issues.


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    #4957
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    ^^^are yea alright folks, is lockdown getting to you? You seem a bit judgemental there!

    It's an unpopular opinion, you're not expected to agree with it.


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    #4958
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,381 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Omackeral wrote: »
    It's an unpopular opinion, you're not expected to agree with it.

    It's just a very specific thing to have an opinion about at all.


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    #4959
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Omackeral wrote:
    It's an unpopular opinion, you're not expected to agree with it.

    I clearly don't, and being judgemental is a bit of a problem, it's rather ignorant


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    #4960
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Call me cynical but the parents nearly always seem to be cut from the same mould too. It's like they love all the facebook huns sharing and praying for their angles.

    there used be a social media game pre-covid,where they would see,who could stay missing the longest

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/tech/facebook-challenge-missing-child-604579


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    #4961
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I clearly don't, and being judgemental is a bit of a problem, it's rather ignorant

    Good for you. Any unpopular opinions you'd care to share yourself? Everyone is judgemental to a degree.


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    #4962
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Omackeral wrote:
    Good for you. Any unpopular opinions you'd care to share yourself? Everyone is judgemental to a degree.

    I try not to judge, as we generally have little information to judge others on, but I will agree, we do all judge. Can't think of any right now, but I'm sure I do


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    #4963
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,559 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Brioche is shyte.


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    #4964
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,800 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I try not to judge, as we generally have little information to judge others on, but I will agree, we do all judge. Can't think of any right now, but I'm sure I do

    You just judged a poster to be "ignorant".


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    #4965
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    You just judged a poster to be "ignorant".

    there you go, thank you, im still asleep


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    #4966
    Hamachi
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    University / third-level eduction is a waste of time for a high % of students.

    It’s valuable if you are studying for a career-oriented, vocational degree like medicine, engineering or computer science.

    Many other courses are useless and actually destroy the work ethic of young people.


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    #4967
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Hamachi wrote: »
    University / third-level eduction is a waste of time for a high % of students.

    It’s valuable if you are studying for a career-oriented, vocational degree like medicine, engineering or computer science.

    Many other courses are useless and actually destroy the work ethic of young people.

    who gets to decide whats valuable and whats not?

    how so?


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    #4968
    Hamachi
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    who gets to decide whats valuable and whats not?

    how so?

    From my own personal experience, knew too many people who floated around for four years, without really achieving anything.

    I’m late 30s now and have quite a few peers who have never really managed to establish a solid career. They’ve drifted from job to job, without ever finding a sustainable interest.

    These are all relatively smart people. The common denominator is that this lack of focus can be traced back to studying undemanding, worthless degrees that unwittingly encouraged laziness.


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    #4969
    ShagNastii
    Registered Users Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    This whole Garda dance thing got me thinking.

    Losing the height restrictions for the Gardai was such a misstep. OK, I’ll agree there have surely been fantastic people who have entered since this change but when it comes to Gardai on the beat some (particularly female) are dainty AF and are a total liability.


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    #4970
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Hamachi wrote: »
    From my own personal experience, knew too many people who floated around for four years, without really achieving anything.

    I’m late 30s now and have quite a few peers who have never really managed to establish a solid career. They’ve drifted from job to job, without ever finding a sustainable interest.

    These are all relatively smart people. The common denominator is that this lack of focus can be traced back to studying undemanding, worthless degrees that unwittingly encouraged laziness.

    who determines this, you, and what kind of degrees are worthful and worthless?


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    #4971
    KaneToad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    who determines this, you, and what kind of degrees are worthful and worthless?

    Its usually an engineering graduate who makes these statements.

    There is a world of difference between education & job training.


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    #4972
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    KaneToad wrote: »
    Its usually an engineering graduate who makes these statements.

    There is a world of difference between education & job training.

    fair point, im one of those myself


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    #4973
    Hamachi
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    KaneToad wrote: »
    Its usually an engineering graduate who makes these statements.

    There is a world of difference between education & job training.

    That’s my point. A lot of universities market particular degrees as an ‘education’.

    Whilst the content may be interesting, they are better suited to well established, mature students who are looking to round out their knowledge and world view.

    They aren’t fit for purpose for 18-22 year olds who, whether they like it or not, need to deal with the realities of entering the labor force and taking on adult responsibilities. It’s disingenuous of the third level sector to even imply that some degrees will ever lead to a viable career.


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    #4974
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Hamachi wrote: »
    That’s my point. A lot of universities market particular degrees as an ‘education’.

    Whilst the content may be interesting, they are better suited to well established, mature students who are looking to round out their knowledge and world view.

    They aren’t fit for purpose for 18-22 year olds who, whether they like it or not, need to deal with the realities of entering the labor force and taking on adult responsibilities. It’s disingenuous of the third level sector to even imply that some degrees will ever lead to a viable career.

    its the nature of the beast, our educational system has become extremely dysfunctional, many aspects of it truly dont meet our actual needs, drop out rates are relatively high at the early stages of third level, most probably remember very little of the details from their education, as its primarily based on the rote system, most probably arent truly ready for the workforce upon leaving it, its academically biased, but society actually needs alternatively trained people such as trades etc, but we also need academically trained people just as much................. its a mess


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    #4975
    Antares35
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Hamachi wrote: »
    From my own personal experience, knew too many people who floated around for four years, without really achieving anything.

    I’m late 30s now and have quite a few peers who have never really managed to establish a solid career. They’ve drifted from job to job, without ever finding a sustainable interest.

    These are all relatively smart people. The common denominator is that this lack of focus can be traced back to studying undemanding, worthless degrees that unwittingly encouraged laziness.

    I've a cousin who has spent the majority of his adult life in third level "education" - the kind of courses that are like eight hours a week. Saving the world from itself and crusading against gender stereotyping and god knows what else. He's in his thirties now and still has never had a full time job where he is expected to pay contributions like the rest of us. He will still expect to be able to "retire" the same age as everyone else! :D


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    #4976
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Antares35 wrote: »
    I've a cousin who has spent the majority of his adult life in third level "education" - the kind of courses that are like eight hours a week. Saving the world from itself and crusading against gender stereotyping and god knows what else. He's in his thirties now and still has never had a full time job where he is expected to pay contributions like the rest of us. He will still expect to be able to "retire" the same age as everyone else! :D

    ....so ridiculing him on the internets, solves the 'issue' by?


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    #4977
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Hamachi wrote: »
    University / third-level eduction is a waste of time for a high % of students.

    It’s valuable if you are studying for a career-oriented, vocational degree like medicine, engineering or computer science.

    Many other courses are useless and actually destroy the work ethic of young people.
    100% agree. The idea of having everyone university educated sounds great on paper but then you realise that a degree is the new junior cert. You also have a derth of plumbers, carpenters etc - getting a tradesman sometimes is neigh on impossible while you have people with psychology degrees working in starbucks. We need a massive injection of money and effort into the way we do apprenticeships. I'd say maybe 20% of the people in Irish universities really need to be there.


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    #4978
    Oymyakon
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭Oymyakon


    Just an anecdote here, I graduated with a third class honours physics degree a few years ago. I felt too stupid to really grasp the course material and I was eventually spat out the other side with the bare minimum passing grades through rote learning.

    Leaving school I genuinely thought a physics degree would unlock a wide variety of jobs but I’ve been stuck in a couple low paying financial service roles since, and I can’t seem to branch out, when searching for jobs I’m not even sure what to look for as I’ve no specific career path in mind.

    As others have pointed out, my course has a very high drop out rate, and I also don’t think that going into a 4 year degree aged 18 was the right decision at the time.

    Not sure if this is a criticism of me or on the third level education system. :)


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    #4979
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Oymyakon wrote: »
    Just an anecdote here, I graduated with a third class honours physics degree a few years ago. I felt too stupid to really grasp the course material and I was eventually spat out the other side with the bare minimum passing grades through rote learning.

    Leaving school I genuinely thought a physics degree would unlock a wide variety of jobs but I’ve been stuck in a couple low paying financial service roles since, and I can’t seem to branch out, when searching for jobs I’m not even sure what to look for as I’ve no specific career path in mind.

    As others have pointed out, my course has a very high drop out rate, and I also don’t think that going into a 4 year degree aged 18 was the right decision at the time.

    Not sure if this is a criticism of me or on the third level education system. :)

    it most definitely isnt you, i attempted physics for a couple of years at third level, fcuk that, couldnt even make it to degree level! fair fcuks


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    #4980
    Antares35
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    ....so ridiculing him on the internets, solves the 'issue' by?

    Oh are we only meant to post solutions to problems here? Sorry I thought it was the unpopular opinion thread.


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    #4981
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Oh are we only meant to post solutions to problems here? Sorry I thought it was the unpopular opinion thread.

    true, but is this truly 'a problem'?


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