Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

billy_beckham · 03-02-2021 01:06PM

ELM327 wrote: »

The new variants are more transmissable by children.

Not as big a cause for concern as being made out....

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/15/us/kids-schools-coronavirus-variant.html

"The latest research puts the worst fears to rest. A large study by health officials in Britain found that young children are only about half as likely as adults to transmit the variant to others."

ELM327 wrote: »

Lucky for us, children live alone, and both teach and parent themselves and have no dealings with adults at all

Lowest form of wit....

Qwertyminger · 03-02-2021 01:13PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Nothing released yet. INTO made a blunder by announcing it was to be released yesterday. Dept statement said it would be available in the coming days/soon.

Thanks for the info

Be nice to know what I could do to prepare my classroom etc as our principal is insisting we all come in tomorrow. I'm thinking about refusing based on no guidance from dept

Loafing Oaf · 03-02-2021 01:28PM

Teachers’ unions oppose ‘hybrid’ Leaving Cert proposal

Anyone know if the teachers' unions are merely opposed to the hybrid model, or to any element of predictive grades?

If they're insisting there has to be a conventional Leaving Cert, we could be heading for a Mexican standoff...

wirelessdude01 · 03-02-2021 01:28PM

Qwertyminger wrote: »

Thanks for the info

Be nice to know what I could do to prepare my classroom etc as our principal is insisting we all come in tomorrow. I'm thinking about refusing based on no guidance from dept

Come in for a chat ehh!!!

No point going in until you actually know what it is that needs to be done. Contact could be made with parents to get a rough idea of what is/isn't going to attend and then draw up your lists based on max 50% capacity.

Stateofyou · 03-02-2021 01:33PM

Responder XY wrote: »

yes - I'm being entirely consistant. you are missing the point once again. I'm not sure what else I can say at this stage.

No, that isn't true. I feel like you have actually resorted to gaslighting, such is the refusal to admit where you've gone wrong.

There's certainly nothing else I can say, or want to say to a poster like this.

6o9fv7jpreb180 · 03-02-2021 01:40PM

billy_beckham wrote: »

Not as big a cause for concern as being made out....

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/15/us/kids-schools-coronavirus-variant.html

"The latest research puts the worst fears to rest. A large study by health officials in Britain found that young children are only about half as likely as adults to transmit the variant to others."

So it will transmit in schools?

billy_beckham · 03-02-2021 02:00PM

Mohamed Thoughtless Adhesive wrote: »

So it will transmit in schools?

No...

Icyseanfitz · 03-02-2021 02:08PM

billy_beckham wrote: »

No...

what do you mean no, of course it has and will spread in and from schools ffs

downthemiddle · 03-02-2021 02:18PM

Good news folks. We have snow days coming next week. That should calm everyone down.

Stateofyou · 03-02-2021 02:20PM

billy_beckham wrote: »

No...

What in the name of Jaysus....

6o9fv7jpreb180 · 03-02-2021 02:23PM

billy_beckham wrote: »

No...

Ok, so thousands of transmissions from adults socialising over Christmas. Lets compare this to schools.

Get all the kids back in school, still community transmission happening, packed classrooms, difficult to keep 2m apart, throw some teachers and SNAs in, transport and of course, magical open windows

Multiply that by half the transmission rate and......

Oh yeah, your magic equation will result in zero transmission in school.

PoolDude · 03-02-2021 02:34PM

Mohamed Thoughtless Adhesive wrote: »

Ok, so thousands of transmissions from adults socialising over Christmas. Lets compare this to schools.

Get all the kids back in school, still community transmission happening, packed classrooms, difficult to keep 2m apart, throw some teachers and SNAs in, transport and of course, magical open windows

Multiply that by half the transmission rate and......

Oh yeah, your magic equation will result in zero transmission in school.

I'll restate the data points I shared previously as I think they are telling:

59% of cases on Saturday were aged 35 - 45 and the highest transmission rate was coming from the 18 - 24 year olds.

So if the average teacher age is in the median age group that is getting the virus and the 6th year students are in the median age spreading the virus

Responder XY · 03-02-2021 02:42PM

All secondary school students should be well able to comply with all rules around social distancing, masks proper behavior etc.. This will significantly reduce the risk.

Younger students who may not be able to comply are significantly less likely to transmit per the study linked, so although may not be practical to enforce the same standard on them, the risk is much lower.

Mohamed Thoughtless Adhesive wrote: »

magical open windows

Nothing magical there, ventilation is looking like the single biggest improvement that can be made.
https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html

Example of a classroom there too.

TTLF · 03-02-2021 02:51PM

Responder XY wrote: »

All secondary school students should be well able to comply with all rules around social distancing, masks proper behaviour etc.. This will significantly reduce the risk.

As a student in a school, while your idea sounds good in practice, it's just not what happens in reality. Schools unfortunately don't follow this protocol to a tee, nor is it every properly enforced. Hallways at breaks/Lunch are always somewhat cramped or everyone wants to socialise. It's annoying to see but it's the case, how I put it is that once a student is in school and seeing their friends anyway, they use it as an excuse to see them outside school too. :pac:

I just know from real experience inside the school environment around my piers that real enforced social distancing is impossible. As for masks, 4th yr onwards wear them properly, but obviously opinions on the virus via students and maturity levels will differ from person to person.

It is what it is though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Icyseanfitz · 03-02-2021 02:54PM

Responder XY wrote: »

All secondary school students should be well able to comply with all rules around social distancing, masks proper behavior etc.. This will significantly reduce the risk.

Younger students who may not be able to comply are significantly less likely to transmit per the study linked, so although may not be practical to enforce the same standard on them, the risk is much lower.

Nothing magical there, ventilation is looking like the single biggest improvement that can be made.
https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html

Example of a classroom there too.

Haha if only :pac:

Stateofyou · 03-02-2021 03:48PM

Sometimes it really shows when people don't have kids and then comment on the behaviour of kids.

Popped out for a quick mid-week shop today and saw two people shopping with the mask under their noses. Full adults. Two other people had visors.

wirelessdude01 · 03-02-2021 03:56PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Popped out for a quick mid-week shop today and saw two people shopping with the mask under their noses.

Ahh the auld infamous 'nose willy'.

Responder XY · 03-02-2021 04:06PM

The key word was "should" as Stateofyou notes fully grown adults sometimes don't do what they are supposed to.

Difference being in a school environment there are responsible adults around to give direction.

And by the way having kids isn't a prerequisite to knowing anything about them.

beggars_bush · 03-02-2021 04:37PM

Responder XY wrote: »

All secondary school students should be well able to comply with all rules around social distancing, masks proper behavior etc.. This will significantly reduce the risk.

Younger students who may not be able to comply are significantly less likely to transmit per the study linked, so although may not be practical to enforce the same standard on them, the risk is much lower.

Nothing magical there, ventilation is looking like the single biggest improvement that can be made.
https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html

Example of a classroom there too.

They comply in school

But not when they get on bus, get off bus, hang around before school, after school

Stateofyou · 03-02-2021 04:46PM

Responder XY wrote: »

And by the way having kids isn't a prerequisite to knowing anything about them.

:pac:

Or being around kids regularly, as you also said you're not a teacher. Going to guess you're not a childminder either.

Stateofyou · 03-02-2021 04:51PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

They comply in school

But not when they get on bus, get off bus, hang around before school, after school

They also eat lunch together and many would huddle closely in groups off school grounds while doing so.

Wombatman · 03-02-2021 05:00PM

Responder XY wrote: »

All secondary school students should be well able to comply with all rules around social distancing, masks proper behavior etc.. This will significantly reduce the risk.

Younger students who may not be able to comply are significantly less likely to transmit per the study linked, so although may not be practical to enforce the same standard on them, the risk is much lower.

Nothing magical there, ventilation is looking like the single biggest improvement that can be made.
https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html

Example of a classroom there too.

Any idea why Oireachtas sittings are currently in the Convention Centre at a cost of €25,000 per day?

Baggly · 03-02-2021 05:13PM

Responder XY wrote: »

yes - I'm being entirely consistant. you are missing the point once again. I'm not sure what else I can say at this stage.

Stateofyou wrote: »

No, that isn't true. I feel like you have actually resorted to gaslighting, such is the refusal to admit where you've gone wrong.

There's certainly nothing else I can say, or want to say to a poster like this.

Mod

Both of you quit the bickering. Improve the tone between ye or ignore each other.

Wombatman · 03-02-2021 05:40PM

Journal.ie Poll

Poll: Should Leaving Cert students be given the option of sitting the exams or taking calculated grades?

https://www.thejournal.ie/leaving-cert-poll-4-5343442-Feb2021/

downthemiddle · 03-02-2021 09:36PM

Email to schools from DES at 19.10 this evening.

I am pleased to advise that following intensive engagement and input from primary
and special education partners a framework has been developed and agreed with all

partners, including unions and management in order to achieve a phased return to in-
school provision for children with special educational needs. This remains a high

priority for all partners.
The framework (attached) is an interim arrangement as the Department and the
education partners’ work together to ensure that special schools and special classes
can safely reopen in line with public health advice at the earliest opportunity.
Under the framework the following phased return to in-school provision has been
agreed:
Phase 1: Special schools will reopen from Thursday 11th February 2021. In
accordance with this agreement pupils will attend on a 50 per cent basis
to allow for attendance of reduced numbers within the school setting.
This will be reviewed in line with public health advice.

Phase 2: Primary Special Classes will reopen from Monday 22nd February 2021.

Four appendices comprising 76 pages attached.

km79 · 03-02-2021 09:51PM

Doesn’t sound like any other primary classes will be back the week after mid term so

ruwithme · 03-02-2021 10:05PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

Good news folks. We have snow days coming next week. That should calm everyone down.

The irony. Snow for the snow flakes. Any excuse at this point now.

downthemiddle · 03-02-2021 10:09PM

ruwithme wrote: »

The irony. Snow for the snow flakes. Any excuse at this point now.

Fun fact. No two snowflakes are the same. :cool:

C__MC · 03-02-2021 10:21PM

The lack of clarity around education is shocking
Leaving Cert aside, how in the name of God can the government not announce a plan to let us know when schools are to return? Give us dates to work towards or outline a plan that will see primary and secondary return on a phased basis whenever it may be.

khalessi · 03-02-2021 10:23PM

C__MC wrote: »

The lack of clarity around education is shocking
Leaving Cert aside, how in the name of God can the government not announce a plan to let us know when schools are to return? Give us dates to work towards or outline a plan that will see primary and secondary return on a phased basis whenever it may be.

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I'd say what they are learning about the new variants has them waiting until numbers way down but threat of legal action led them to reopen to SEN students in a limited way. Putting it off allows the numbers to decrease to acceptable levels whatever they are, maybe close to Spetember levels

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01