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mcmoustache · 03-02-2021 01:08PM

landofthetree wrote: »

I am pro open borders.

I am pro free trade.

Racists like the Democrats arent.

Dis you?

landofthetree wrote:

The election is all but over. Trump has won.

Republicans need to get to work so they can change the law and allow Trump to go for a third term. The Democrats are stupid enough to support it so Obama can run again.

landofthetree · 03-02-2021 01:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What does that (incorrect awful final statement) have to do with what I said? Are you going to reply to my last comment or not?

You are of the opinion that immigrant children should never be separated even if there is significant evidence of human trafficking, that that child's life is in danger if they are not separated etc. That such separation should never happen just so that the current administration can say that they never separated children.

Would you like to explain your rationale behind your way of thinking?

I am not pro Trump. His trade policy was a bad idea. Unfortunately now Biden and the Democrats support most of it and will probably even stick with the China tariffs.

If we had open borders we wouldn't have these problems. Biden is against open borders. :rolleyes:

03-02-2021 01:12PM

landofthetree wrote: »

I am not pro Trump. His trade policy was a bad idea. Unfortunately now Biden and the Democrats support most of it and will probably even stick with the China tariffs.

If we had open borders we wouldn't have these problems. Biden is against open borders. :rolleyes:

You are not answering any of my questions.

You brought up the fact that Obama's administration did separate children as if it was a bad thing. I explained to you that this was only done in exceptional circumstances when it was believed that the child's life was in danger.

Can you explain why you believe instead that that should never be done instead of going off on a tangent about other things that I didn't mention?

astrofool · 03-02-2021 01:12PM

landofthetree wrote: »

I am not pro Trump. His trade policy was a bad idea. Unfortunately now Biden and the Democrats support most of it and will probably even stick with the China tariffs.

If we had open borders we wouldn't have these problems. Biden is against open borders. :rolleyes:

So trump shouldn't get a second term now? There is plenty of candidates to the left of Biden that you can support.

landofthetree · 03-02-2021 01:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You are not answering any of my questions.

You brought up the fact that Obama's administration did separate children as if it was a bad thing. I explained to you that this was only done in exceptional circumstances when it was believed that the child's life was in danger.

Can you explain why you believe instead that that should never be done instead of going off on a tangent about other things that I didn't mention?

Obama refused to open the borders with Mexico. Free movement of people and we wouldn't have people and children locked up and beaten half to death.

Open borders now. Free trade now.

mcmoustache · 03-02-2021 01:15PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Obama refused to open the borders with Mexico. Free movement of people and we wouldn't have people and children locked up and beaten half to death.

Open borders now. Free trade now.

I'm finding your schtick to be a little less than honest.

landofthetree · 03-02-2021 01:15PM

astrofool wrote: »

So trump shouldn't get a second term now? There is plenty of candidates to the left of Biden that you can support.

I am pro free trade. :rolleyes:

Left wing parties hate free trade.

Look at our own left wing parties trying to block free trade with Canada. :mad:

Im digusted to the pit of my stomach that the EU,USA etc puts tariffs on goods from places like Western Sahara.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-02-2021 01:17PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Obama refused to open the borders with Mexico. Free movement of people and we wouldn't have people and children locked up and beaten half to death.

Open borders now. Free trade now.

I don't think any candidate from either side promised that, could be wrong.

I think the amount of anti-Isamic anti-immigratant xenophobic rhetoric that Trump spouted compeltely destroyed any possibility of that happening regardless of who got in.

03-02-2021 01:17PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Obama refused to open the borders with Mexico. Free movement of people and we wouldn't have people and children locked up and beaten half to death.

Open borders now. Free trade now.

So you're not going to answer my question and instead are going to make up things?

Do you think that if a child's life was in danger because their parents are dangerous that there are instances where there that child should be taken away from said parents, regardless of whether that child is an illegal immigrant or not?

landofthetree · 03-02-2021 01:21PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I don't think any candidate from either side promised that, could be wrong.

I think the amount of anti-Isamic anti-immigratant xenophobic rhetoric that Trump spouted compeltely destroyed any possibility of that happening regardless of who got in.

The Libertarian candidate did.

But of course Joe Biden and Trump blocked her from taking part in debates.

https://reason.com/2020/02/26/libertarian-presidential-candidates-champion-open-borders/

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-02-2021 01:31PM

landofthetree wrote: »

The Libertarian candidate did.

But of course Joe Biden and Trump blocked her from taking part in debates.

https://reason.com/2020/02/26/libertarian-presidential-candidates-champion-open-borders/

Fair point - forgot about he Libertarians! I didn't think her economic policies were sound though, when I researcher her, but that was some time ago and I can't remember why not.

But as I said - Americans are now so terrified of foreigners, it's never going to happen.

landofthetree · 03-02-2021 01:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So you're not going to answer my question and instead are going to make up things?

Do you think that if a child's life was in danger because their parents are dangerous that there are instances where there that child should be taken away from said parents, regardless of whether that child is an illegal immigrant or not?

Who says their dangerous? Some racist cop?

landofthetree · 03-02-2021 01:38PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Fair point - forgot about he Libertarians! I didn't think her economic policies were sound though, when I researcher her, but that was some time ago and I can't remember why not.

But as I said - Americans are now so terrified of foreigners, it's never going to happen.

Im not surprised they are. Everything movie and TV show seems to portray Mexicans as drug dealing gangsters.

Google this. A very interesting PHD on it.

ANGRY WHITE MEN: HOW BREAKING BAD AND THE WALKING DEAD
PREDICTED THE TRUMPIAN ZEITGEIST
Graeme J. Wilson

03-02-2021 01:45PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Who says their dangerous? Some racist cop?

So you don't think there would ever be the case that a children's life would be in danger if they continued to be with the people they illegally crossed the border with, be they their parents or not? You are just going to assume that whenever that was decided to be the case that the person who decided it must have been racist or something similar is that right?

TomTomTim · 03-02-2021 02:10PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Im not surprised they are. Everything movie and TV show seems to portray Mexicans as drug dealing gangsters.

Google this. A very interesting PHD on it.

ANGRY WHITE MEN: HOW BREAKING BAD AND THE WALKING DEAD
PREDICTED THE TRUMPIAN ZEITGEIST
Graeme J. Wilson

This sounds like something you'd read on Tumblr, not on a peer reviewed site.

The archetypal protagonist of the modern “Golden Age of Television” is a maladjusted, White male struggling with feelings of marginalization. While this description applies to characters such as Breaking Bad’s Walter White, it is also used by political commentators to characterize what is popularly perceived to be the prototypical male supporter of President Donald Trump. When considering the cultural zeitgeist of the angry White man, are there any cultural and rhetorical connections between White, male Trump supporters who exhibit irrational feelings of marginalization and dramas such as Breaking Bad whose protagonists similarly exhibit and are motivated by such feelings? As a theorist and critical scholar of televised rhetoric and discourses, I am interested in analyzing such programming to determine whether these prestige antihero series invited viewers to contribute to the current masculinist movement under Trump and reassert dominance in response to perceived losses to women and minority groups. The specific episodes that will serve as case studies for this research into the relationship between modern prestige television and the cultural zeitgeist of Trump’s America will be drawn from Breaking Bad and The Walking Dead, due to their cultural influence and visibility. My research will demonstrate that these series have operated as textual artifacts that contributed to forming the zeitgeist of the masculinized cultural moment which Trump serves as a figurehead of. Such research is relevant to modern American political and social discourse, thus providing a rich opportunity to expand on preexisting research into televisual influence on masculinity within a fresh context.

If I started ranting about angry black men, like the above has done about white men, everyone one of you would be outraged.

03-02-2021 02:15PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

This sounds like something you'd read on Tumblr, not on a peer reviewed site.

Probably because it's not on a peer reviewed site. It's simply the thesis of someone who did a PhD in media studies and no peer reviewed articles ever came from it for obvious reasons.

The fact that OP found such an insignificant, obscure thesis is impressive. I can only imagine the sites he is on or the things he Googles.

Cody montana · 03-02-2021 02:34PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Dis you?

Well that’s embarrassing.

paw patrol · 03-02-2021 03:00PM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Does Biden differ from Trump on policy at all?

What's Biden's stance on selling arms to Saudi Arabia, and supporting their war in Yemen?

trump started no new wars which is to his credit, he also tried to remove troops from places where they were ensconced. You can't just remove the troops without consequence or walk away no matter how anti war you are.

comparing Biden to Trump is fun but ultimately a lost cause. Biden is supposedly this great hero to rescue us all and he isn't. he was VP during the obama years and all the great and good that did us all.

Firstly i wish we could ignore America but due to their imperialism and the dollar hegemony in world trade, we cant. Also their culture seeps over here eventually. Good tv but sh1t social politics.

Secondly, I do like Trump he is brilliant at times but not perfect - he isn't my god. If i had a hero of American politics at the highest level , it would be Ron Paul.
The media hatchet job of him when he tried to run in 2012 did the whole world a disservice especially Americans themselves.

03-02-2021 03:56PM

paw patrol wrote: »

trump started no new wars which is to his credit, he also tried to remove troops from places where they were ensconced. You can't just remove the troops without consequence or walk away no matter how anti war you are.

comparing Biden to Trump is fun but ultimately a lost cause. Biden is supposedly this great hero to rescue us all and he isn't. he was VP during the obama years and all the great and good that did us all.

Firstly i wish we could ignore America but due to their imperialism and the dollar hegemony in world trade, we cant. Also their culture seeps over here eventually. Good tv but sh1t social politics.

Secondly, I do like Trump he is brilliant at times but not perfect - he isn't my god. If i had a hero of American politics at the highest level , it would be Ron Paul.
The media hatchet job of him when he tried to run in 2012 did the whole world a disservice especially Americans themselves.

Your American political hero is Ron Paul, a man who:

is a massive racist
is against gay marriage
wants to define life as starting at conception
wants to end birthright citizenship
wants to deny funding to any organization which "presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style"
wants the US to withdraw from the UN
wants to end NATO
believes in New World Order conspiracy theories
believes that the International Baccalaureate program is UN mind control
denounces evolutionary theory in favour of creationism
opposes the separation between church and state
voted against an amendment to protect net neutrality
believes that the Panama Canal should be owned by the US

That Ron Paul?

Professor Moriarty · 03-02-2021 04:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Your American political hero is Ron Paul, a man who:
is a massive racist

is against gay marriage

wants to define life as starting at conception

wants to end birthright citizenship

wants to deny funding to any organization which "presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style"

wants the US to withdraw from the UN

wants to end NATO

believes in New World Order conspiracy theories

believes that the International Baccalaureate program is UN mind control

denounces evolutionary theory in favour of creationism

opposes the separation between church and state

voted against an amendment to protect net neutrality

believes that the Panama Canal should be owned by the US

That Ron Paul?

Ron makes The Donald look like Jeremy Corbyn.

duploelabs · 03-02-2021 04:56PM

paw patrol wrote: »

trump started no new wars which is to his credit, .

This line is the biggest load of sh!te I've heard trotted out in the defense of trump. He sold billions of arms to saudi and UAE who are currently participating in the biggest sectarian massacre of Shias in Yemen. Just because no american's pulled any triggers doesn't mean america doesn't have blood on its hands or isn't participating in any (Cold) wars. Trump is no peacemaker, and that doesn't go near the shafting of the Kurds because he was personally blackmailed over the Kashoggi Killing by Turkey to withdraw american troops from the border areas so the Turkish army destroy them.

And before you say 'but Biden', he stopped arms and munition sales to those two countries last week

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/joe-biden-suspends-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia-and-uae-1.4470264

dwayneshintzy · 03-02-2021 05:01PM

duploelabs wrote: »

This line is the biggest load of sh!te I've heard trotted out in the defense of trump. He sold billions of arms to saudi and UAE who are currently participating in the biggest sectarian massacre of Shias in Yemen. Just because no american's pulled any triggers doesn't mean america doesn't have blood on its hands or isn't participating in any (Cold) wars. Trump is no peacemaker, and that doesn't go near the shafting of the Kurds because he was personally blackmailed over the Kashoggi Killing by Turkey to withdraw american troops from the border areas so the Turkish army destroy them.

And before you say 'but Biden', he stopped arms and munition sales to those two countries last week

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/joe-biden-suspends-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia-and-uae-1.4470264

I've not seen a single pro-Trump poster address this Saudi Arabia/Yemen issue, even when called out directly on it.

paw patrol · 03-02-2021 05:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Your American political hero is Ron Paul, a man who:
is a massive racist

is against gay marriage

wants to define life as starting at conception

wants to end birthright citizenship

wants to deny funding to any organization which "presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style"

wants the US to withdraw from the UN

wants to end NATO

believes in New World Order conspiracy theories

believes that the International Baccalaureate program is UN mind control

denounces evolutionary theory in favour of creationism

opposes the separation between church and state

voted against an amendment to protect net neutrality

believes that the Panama Canal should be owned by the US

That Ron Paul?

LOLz

yup. that guy.
I'd vote for most of those myself , i'll leave you to figure out which ones.

I'll take your word for all those "allegations",
How dare he have opinions that are opposed to yours. :rolleyes:

03-02-2021 05:19PM

paw patrol wrote: »

I'd vote for most of those myself , i'll leave you to figure out which ones.

So there are some of those that you oppose yourself, but of all the politicians in America, he is your hero is that right?

paw patrol wrote: »

I'll take your word for all those "allegations",

The fact that you didn't actually know about some of these very well-known facts about your so-called American political hero makes think that you don't know much about American politics at all.

Professor Moriarty · 03-02-2021 05:25PM

paw patrol wrote: »

LOLz

yup. that guy.
I'd vote for most of those myself , i'll leave you to figure out which ones.

I'll take your word for all those "allegations",
How dare he have opinions that are opposed to yours. :rolleyes:

The word 'most' indicates at least half. No matter how kind I try to be in allocating 'most' of those policies and beliefs, you still come out as a loon. No offence intended.

bewareofthedog · 03-02-2021 05:52PM

I'd say some of them are no less looney than some of the wokism the modern Democrat party endorse, I'll leave that to the imagination but I'd say most people can figure it out.

Leroy42 · 03-02-2021 05:56PM

bewareofthedog wrote: »

I'd say some of them are no less looney than some of the wokism the modern Democrat party endorse, I'll leave that to the imagination but I'd say most people can figure it out.

No go on, for those of us with a lack of imagination, spell it out for us.

duploelabs · 03-02-2021 05:57PM

bewareofthedog wrote: »

I'd say some of them are no less looney than some of the wokism the modern Democrat party endorse, I'll leave that to the imagination but I'd say most people can figure it out.

Why don't you debate the points you favour rather than bad faith debating like 'I'll leave that to your imagination'?

03-02-2021 06:07PM

paw patrol wrote: »

I'll take your word for all those "allegations"

Well you'll be glad to know that I've gone to the effort of providing sources of my "allegations" for your pleasure.

I'll add some more while I'm at it:

Would you like to defend these opinions of your American political hero?

03-02-2021 06:17PM

paw patrol wrote: »

LOLz

yup. that guy.
I'd vote for most of those myself , i'll leave you to figure out which ones.

I'll take your word for all those "allegations",
How dare he have opinions that are opposed to yours. :rolleyes:

In fairness, he violates his own libertarian principles with plenty of those beliefs. Then others are simply conspiracies..

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