Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

Loafing Oaf · 01-02-2021 11:03PM

noserider wrote: »

This is fckn mental having schools closed since late December.
The surge in numbers had nothing to with them.

Once the virus gets into wide circulation in the community, schools are likely to act as vectors for further spread.

munster87 · 01-02-2021 11:03PM

noserider wrote: »

Yeah and it’s no good for anyone

Maybe Jimmy loves it.

Idbatterim · 01-02-2021 11:04PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I'll paraphrase the probable response to this will be something along the lines of "what makes teachers so special".

What makes teachers special, their jobs, the kids education, the babysitting service they provide! Thats what makes them special. The states has them bumped up to nearly the top of the Q! it makes sense!

65 year olds etc, should not be vaccinated ahead of the teachers. The length of time kids have now been out of the classroom, is a total farce!

wirelessdude01 · 01-02-2021 11:11PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

What makes teachers special, their jobs, the kids education, the babysitting service they provide! Thats what makes them special. The states has them bumped up to nearly the top of the Q! it makes sense!

65 year olds etc, should not be vaccinated ahead of the teachers. The length of time kids have now been out of the classroom, is a total farce!

I'll believe it when the detail is released tomorrow.

Responder XY · 01-02-2021 11:12PM

Crazy stuff re the Leaving. After last year's catastrophe, how are they even hesitating. Was clear as day by the time we got to June that the Leaving could have been safely run. This year will be the same if not even better due to vaccines.

Need to get the kids back into classrooms to support this. Maybe for LC aged kids, giving a live stream option might suit some, but going to class will be absolute requirement for many and needs to be facilitated now.

Millem · 01-02-2021 11:13PM

shoppergal wrote: »

My son is 8 and in a special school. He desperately needs to return to school but there's no way I can send him in for one day on 11th or 12th and then no school again for another week for mid-term. So I'll send him back on 22nd which I presume is what the unions and government knew would happen but 11th sounds better than 22nd.

I've spoken to a few other parents in his school this evening and none will be sending their children back until the 22nd.

I think you are dead right. Very disruptive.
Re the dates.....it’s all about optics rather than logic.

CapriciousOne · 01-02-2021 11:14PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I'll believe it when the detail is released tomorrow.

As I posted on the previous page, SEN staff haven been bumped up the list. After the vulnerable and frontline staff.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 01-02-2021 11:17PM

Responder XY wrote: »

Crazy stuff re the Leaving. After last year's catastrophe, how are they even hesitating. Was clear as day by the time we got to June that the Leaving could have been safely run. This year will be the same if not even better due to vaccines.

Need to get the kids back into classrooms to support this. Maybe for LC aged kids, giving a live stream option might suit some, but going to class will be absolute requirement for many and needs to be facilitated now.

like, tomorrow?

Happydays2020 · 01-02-2021 11:21PM

Responder XY wrote: »

Crazy stuff re the Leaving. After last year's catastrophe, how are they even hesitating. Was clear as day by the time we got to June that the Leaving could have been safely run. This year will be the same if not even better due to vaccines.

Need to get the kids back into classrooms to support this. Maybe for LC aged kids, giving a live stream option might suit some, but going to class will be absolute requirement for many and needs to be facilitated now.

Why do we need live stream? Just run it on a few Tv channels - like the best teachers. Then have tutorials available with local school teachers.

Lillyfae · 01-02-2021 11:24PM

CapriciousOne wrote: »

As I posted on the previous page, SEN staff haven been bumped up the list. After the vulnerable and frontline staff.

That’s great news.

combat14 · 01-02-2021 11:25PM

uk now emergency testing for south african variant which seems to have arrived there

some of the current vaccines are only 50% effective against SA variant

will have to see how 11 feb reopening goes

01-02-2021 11:56PM

combat14 wrote: »

uk now emergency testing for south african variant which seems to have arrived there

some of the current vaccines are only 50% effective against SA variant

will have to see how 11 feb reopening goes

The evidence so far is that all vaccines reduce severity against all strains, even if some appear to be less effective at totally preventing illness

Stateofyou · 01-02-2021 11:57PM

Responder XY wrote: »

Don't agree at all. Damage the variants do is less than the damage done to children kept out of education.

Wow. I've never heard any science or health experts say this, I must have missed it! Link?

Responder XY · 02-02-2021 12:00AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

like, tomorrow?

This is the second time I've been asked this, obviously not tomorrow! People need to be given some notice of a change! As soon as practical, which probably means giving people a weekend

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 02-02-2021 12:10AM

Responder XY wrote: »

This is the second time I've been asked this, obviously not tomorrow! People need to be given some notice of a change! As soon as practical, which probably means giving people a weekend

If we all had a euro for each time someone wasn't listening

Responder XY · 02-02-2021 12:11AM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Wow. I've never heard any science or health experts say this, I must have missed it! Link?

There are many. Here are some thst i sourced quite quickly highlighting the harms of halting education and the low risk provided to kids and young people by covid im general and its variants

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/education/what-long-term-impact-will-school-shutdown-have-on-children-1.4289588%3fmode=amp

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.esri.ie/system/files/publications/SUSTAT94_3.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiGm6Ko5cnuAhVJu3EKHegTDRsQFjACegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw0X4osWP_5GN0dWduYRGarv

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1251172

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00139-3

BonsaiKitten · 02-02-2021 12:13AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Why do we need live stream? Just run it on a few Tv channels - like the best teachers. Then have tutorials available with local school teachers.

I think the issue with streaming lessons for the country is that teachers don't all teach the content in the same order. That's how it was in my school anyway. Who's to say that all the 6th years in the country have studied Plant Reproduction, finished their sraith pictiúir or know drainage patterns inside out by now?

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 02-02-2021 12:16AM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

I think the issue with streaming lessons for the country is that teachers don't all teach the content in the same order. That's how it was in my school anyway. Who's to say that all the 6th years in the country have studied Plant Reproduction, finished their sraith pictiúir or know drainage patterns inside out by now?

The bit where you ask if there's any questions could be awkward with 57k LCs watching

BonsaiKitten · 02-02-2021 12:20AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

The bit where you ask if there's any questions could be awkward with 57k LCs watching

Ah I gather that the battle at secondary is to get them to say anything at all :pac: I have the opposite in primary. Want to say everything and anything that pops into their heads, whether it's on topic or not doesn't matter!

wirelessdude01 · 02-02-2021 12:23AM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

Ah I gather that the battle at secondary is to get them to say anything at all :pac: I have the opposite in primary. Want to say everything and anything that pops into their heads, whether it's on topic or not doesn't matter!

Hands up if anyone has a question on how to multiply a decimal by a decimal, que a hand shooting up and a story about their new pet flows out!!

BonsaiKitten · 02-02-2021 12:26AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Hands up if anyone has a question on how to multiply a decimal by a decimal, que a hand shooting up and a story about their new pet flows out!!

Oh the pets. Many, many pets. And anecdotes about pets. And pet pictures being set as Virtual backgrounds. And fluffy teddies.

Earlier today a kid held a tray of freshly baked cookies up to the camera for me to see...she wanted me to pick the worst one, so she could give it to her brother :pac:

You have to be a bit cracked to teach primary, don't you?

Locotastic · 02-02-2021 12:27AM

combat14 wrote: »

uk now emergency testing for south african variant which seems to have arrived there

some of the current vaccines are only 50% effective against SA variant

will have to see how 11 feb reopening goes

Apparently we've contained any spread of it here, hence the knee jerk long overdue clamp down on foreign arrivals.

wirelessdude01 · 02-02-2021 12:30AM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

Oh the pets. Many, many pets. And anecdotes about pets. And pet pictures being set as Virtual backgrounds. And fluffy teddies.

Earlier today a kid held a tray of freshly baked cookies up to the camera for me to see...she wanted me to pick the worst one, so she could give it to her brother :pac:

You have to be a bit cracked to teach primary, don't you?

I had a dog let the loudest fart on a zoom classes today. You could see all the kids trying to hold it in and I cracked first. Was like being in the physical class such was the tears and red faces from laughing. Say the neighbour next door was wondering what the hell was so funny.

combat14 · 02-02-2021 12:31AM

Locotastic wrote: »

Apparently we've contained any spread of it here, hence the knee jerk long overdue clamp down on foreign arrivals.

we thought we contained the uk variant too

lets hope lastest south african version doesnt get in here via the north

km79 · 02-02-2021 12:33AM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

Oh the pets. Many, many pets. And anecdotes about pets. And pet pictures being set as Virtual backgrounds. And fluffy teddies.

Earlier today a kid held a tray of freshly baked cookies up to the camera for me to see...she wanted me to pick the worst one, so she could give it to her brother :pac:

You have to be a bit cracked to teach primary, don't you?

I just couldn’t deal with that

Ye are a different breed

Stateofyou · 02-02-2021 12:38AM

Responder XY wrote: »

There are many. Here are some thst i sourced quite quickly highlighting the harms of halting education and the low risk provided to kids and young people by covid im general and its variants

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/education/what-long-term-impact-will-school-shutdown-have-on-children-1.4289588%3fmode=amp

The date of the article is Sat, Jun 27, 2020. And it's a journalist piece the Irish Times. Nothing to do with the new variant and comparing it to risk and education.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.esri.ie/system/files/publications/SUSTAT94_3.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiGm6Ko5cnuAhVJu3EKHegTDRsQFjACegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw0X4osWP_5GN0dWduYRGarv

July 2020, same. Nothing with regards to the new variants.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1251172

Dec 2020 article, would obviously be reporting on findings before then, which would be before the impact of new variants. Seems to be general impact on children and school closures. I'm not reading all that to find out if it has anything on new variants (how could it have) but a quick scan seemed to confirm it did not. Pull it out if so though. It's 85 pages long, good luck.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00139-3

And the opening sentence on this one reads: "What new COVID variants mean for schools is not yet clear." "...But researchers now suggest the variant is spreading more efficiently in all age groups..." It says in conclusion more data is needed. And "However, data often aren’t easily comparable between countries because of the variation in practices." “We still don’t really know how much schools and children actually contribute to spread,” says Catherine Bennett, an epidemiologist at Deakin University in Melbourne.

With regards to the variant, it talks about their potential biological impact in children- I don't see anywhere it specifically talks about that even in light of new variants driving up community spread around the world and overwhelming hospitals, it is still worth it above all to keep schools open and therefore hospitals ovwerwhelmed, for example.

You're absolutely full of it with this nonsense. Also, just posting links is ridiculous, and expecting anyone to read full articles and reports. If you read them and feel it highlights your point, you should pull that info out and post it with the link.

Well that was a complete waste of my time, thanks. You don't have links to anything so far to back up what you claimed.

yrreg0850 · 02-02-2021 12:40AM

shoppergal wrote: »

My son is 8 and in a special school. He desperately needs to return to school but there's no way I can send him in for one day on 11th or 12th and then no school again for another week for mid-term. So I'll send him back on 22nd which I presume is what the unions and government knew would happen but 11th sounds better than 22nd.

I've spoken to a few other parents in his school this evening and none will be sending their children back until the 22nd.

Why is a mid term needed . After all it is usually intended to give students a break , but, they have had one since mid December.

wirelessdude01 · 02-02-2021 12:42AM

yrreg0850 wrote: »

Why is a mid term needed . After all it is usually intended to give students a break , but, they have had one since mid December.

It's like being in a spin wash, constsnt repetition.

combat14 · 02-02-2021 12:43AM

yrreg0850 wrote: »

Why is a mid term needed . After all it is usually intended to give students a break , but, they have had one since mid December.

they shouldnt have had a break.. many schools live stream classes and teachers have been providing work each day for students and parents to engage with

Stateofyou · 02-02-2021 12:45AM

yrreg0850 wrote: »

Why is a mid term needed . After all it is usually intended to give students a break , but, they have had one since mid December.

I'm sitting here wondering why we're all so exhausted doing the full class schedule of work sent for both kids (projects too) on top of holding down our jobs (and in fact I've been up-skilling in an area too) and all the other household chores as well. If my kids get tired by the end of the day as they sometimes do I'll remember your post and tell them they're had a break since Mid Dec and to get over themselves. :pac:

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01