Warhammer: Total War

19-12-2020 02:42PM

Finished the long campaign there as the new WE faction. I enjoyed it, they play totally different to most factions in that territory is basically irrelevant to them. Consequence of that is you don't need loads of armies to protect it so you can get away with their crap economy a bit. Treemen are totally OP, there's no reason to have anything else in your army if you're so inclined, along with a healer to keep them topped up.

I found loads of people declared war on me later in the campaign, like the ordertide did out of nowhere but it didn't really matter tbh because again you don't need territory really.

Gunmonkey · 29-01-2021 05:23PM

It aint much....but its something.

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/l7ul83/azyr_stirs/

ancapailldorcha · 29-01-2021 05:38PM

Gunmonkey wrote: »

It aint much....but its something.

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/l7ul83/azyr_stirs/

Not like their usual DLC teasers. I'd say Warhammer 3.

Gunmonkey · 29-01-2021 07:56PM

Yeah thats one of the prevailing theories. And the star constellation is a Dwarf symbol for a late spring/early summer festival so a possible window of more news?

ancapailldorcha · 29-01-2021 07:59PM

Gunmonkey wrote: »

Yeah thats one of the prevailing theories. And the star constellation is a Dwarf symbol for a late spring/early summer festival so a possible window of more news?

Yeah. I think they might have one more DLC for WH2. A shame if they leave either of Norsca or the Beastmen in their current state as everyone else has had some attention now.

Usually, there's a vignette of a few seconds but this is a minute so I'm thinking it's the final iteration of the trilogy.

Gbear · 29-01-2021 08:26PM

Norsca were included in a pre-order bonus of some sort for WH2. I think they were announced after WH2 was.

It's a bit different to games being distinct from one another. It kinda doesn't matter when the last WH2 DLC comes out. They could release it after WH3 if they wanted to and it wouldn't make much difference, because they'd be playable in both either way.

ancapailldorcha · 29-01-2021 09:54PM

Norsca was a DLC for WH1. I think the pre-order bonus was contingent on their appearing in Mortal Empires.

I think WH3 is going to be the replacement for WH2. DLC for the latter seems pointless with the new title imminent though the combined map will probably be some time coming!

29-01-2021 10:34PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Norsca was a DLC for WH1. I think the pre-order bonus was contingent on their appearing in Mortal Empires.

I think WH3 is going to be the replacement for WH2. DLC for the latter seems pointless with the new title imminent though the combined map will probably be some time coming!

I'm pretty sure the CA community person who posts on reddit said there's one more TWW2 DLC coming.

Lot of people seem to think this is TWW3 which would be great, there are not many games I'd pay full price on day 1 for but this is definitely one of them.

ancapailldorcha · 29-01-2021 10:43PM

Alina Nutritious Coyote wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the CA community person who posts on reddit said there's one more TWW2 DLC coming.

Lot of people seem to think this is TWW3 which would be great, there are not many games I'd pay full price on day 1 for but this is definitely one of them.

Yeah, I recall the same. I'd say May for the DLC and then end of the year for WH3. We've known it's been coming for ages and mechanically, it's going to be identical to WH2 as they're all based off the same engine.

And yeah, this might be one for preordering.

Christy42 · 30-01-2021 02:03AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Yeah. I think they might have one more DLC for WH2. A shame if they leave either of Norsca or the Beastmen in their current state as everyone else has had some attention now.

Usually, there's a vignette of a few seconds but this is a minute so I'm thinking it's the final iteration of the trilogy.

Beastmen need a massive rework. May as well save it for WH3. I would like to see Ogres in WH3 as well, that could be a cool and different faction.

Not sure what the new dlc will be. Vamps maybe?

ancapailldorcha · 30-01-2021 10:21AM

Christy42 wrote: »

Beastmen need a massive rework. May as well save it for WH3. I would like to see Ogres in WH3 as well, that could be a cool and different faction.

Not sure what the new dlc will be. Vamps maybe?

I'd say it'll feature the Beastmen along with a rework against a WH2 race. That seems to be the general pattern of the lord pack DLCs.

ancapailldorcha · 30-01-2021 11:22AM

30-01-2021 06:54PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

That person has subsequently deleted that comment saying they aren't allowed confirm or deny anything... But imo it pretty much confirms it. Well I hope it does anyway I really want TWW3.

ancapailldorcha · 30-01-2021 11:36PM

Alina Nutritious Coyote wrote: »

That person has subsequently deleted that comment saying they aren't allowed confirm or deny anything... But imo it pretty much confirms it. Well I hope it does anyway I really want TWW3.

Well, we knew it was coming. WH2 will probably receive its last DLC in April or May and then we'll get the last patch or two before WH3 releases at year's end.

Dave_The_Sheep · 31-01-2021 04:53PM

Guess MrSmartDonkey won't be a content partner for long if he can't keep his mouth shut.

Gunmonkey · 31-01-2021 06:54PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Well, we knew it was coming. WH2 will probably receive its last DLC in April or May and then we'll get the last patch or two before WH3 releases at year's end.

Last DLC could even be the same as Norsca was in the first game and be a pre-order bonus that works in both games.

ancapailldorcha · 01-02-2021 04:07PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIqv6Yrd7TE

Potatoeman · 01-02-2021 04:32PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Well, we knew it was coming. WH2 will probably receive its last DLC in April or May and then we'll get the last patch or two before WH3 releases at year's end.

That would be the earliest. They usually time their releases with other games so Troy and three kingdoms will also push it out too. Think COVID delayed things too.

Gbear · 01-02-2021 04:59PM

If they're leading with Chaos in the teasers, I wonder would that suggest that Chaos will be front and center in the vanilla game, and not relegated to post-launch DLC.

Going off of games 1 and 2, they had brand new races added off the bat, so I figured that there was just too much to implement if they followed that same model for Chaos, Kislev, Chaos Dwarves and Ogres, despite Kislev and Chaos already having much of the work already done for them (Kislev should be 90% just reskinned existing Empire units).

There's more than enough variety already in the game, so I wonder might they release with a new Empire faction, maybe Kislev, maybe Dogs of War, but the bulk of the new content will be a fully fleshed out Chaos race, with separate factions for Warriors and the 4 god-aligned daemon factions, and then hold back the Ogres, Chaos Dwarves for later on, as well as important characters like Nagash.

Gbear · 01-02-2021 05:05PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

That would be the earliest. They usually time their releases with other games so Troy and three kingdoms will also push it out too. Think COVID delayed things too.

They generally seem to release 1 game a year. We had WH2 in 2017, Thrones of Brittania in 2018, Three Kingdoms in 2019 and Troy in 2020. I don't know if any others are currently planned for 2021, other than maybe a mobile game, which I don't think counts.

Covid might have an impact, but they'll have been working on the game long before lockdowns started.

01-02-2021 05:07PM

Ooooh didn't know we were getting another teaser today. Have just read on Reddit they usually put trailers out on Thursdays so another two teasers tomorrow and Wed for the 2 remaining Chaos gods, then an actual reveal on Thurs?

Whatever it is, CA don't tend to have a huge amount of time between announcing and releasing stuff so I'd guess we'll be getting it sooner rather than later. TWW2 was announced in March and released in Sept.

ancapailldorcha · 01-02-2021 05:16PM

I'd say there'll be 2-3 more teasers and then the trailer on Thursday or maybe Friday.

Gunmonkey · 01-02-2021 05:36PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'd say there'll be 2-3 more teasers and then the trailer on Thursday or maybe Friday.

Kinda on the money there....a little too on the money *narrows eyes*

(it is a new trailer....honest)

ancapailldorcha · 01-02-2021 05:41PM

There's four chaos gods in Warhammer lore. Last Friday, today and the following two days would make for one hint for each culminating in the actual trailer on Thursday.

ancapailldorcha · 01-02-2021 07:28PM

Gbear wrote: »

If they're leading with Chaos in the teasers, I wonder would that suggest that Chaos will be front and center in the vanilla game, and not relegated to post-launch DLC.

Going off of games 1 and 2, they had brand new races added off the bat, so I figured that there was just too much to implement if they followed that same model for Chaos, Kislev, Chaos Dwarves and Ogres, despite Kislev and Chaos already having much of the work already done for them (Kislev should be 90% just reskinned existing Empire units).

There's more than enough variety already in the game, so I wonder might they release with a new Empire faction, maybe Kislev, maybe Dogs of War, but the bulk of the new content will be a fully fleshed out Chaos race, with separate factions for Warriors and the 4 god-aligned daemon factions, and then hold back the Ogres, Chaos Dwarves for later on, as well as important characters like Nagash.

I'd say it's be the four chaos races with maybe Kislev as a pre-order bonus. Chaos Dwarves & Ogre Kingdoms are likely to be post-release DLC race packs like the Tomb Kings & Vampire Coast. I hope they add more races and lord packs than they did with WH2 as there are a few that are likely to be omitted like Ind, Cathay, Araby, and Albion. I reckon we'll just have to wait and see.

Gbear · 01-02-2021 08:03PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'd say it's be the four chaos races with maybe Kislev as a pre-order bonus. Chaos Dwarves & Ogre Kingdoms are likely to be post-release DLC race packs like the Tomb Kings & Vampire Coast. I hope they add more races and lord packs than they did with WH2 as there are a few that are likely to be omitted like Ind, Cathay, Araby, and Albion. I reckon we'll just have to wait and see.

The issue there is that by far the most popular factions are human or humanlike "good guys".

So I think it's almost certain that there will be at least 1 human faction in the base game.

Pre-launch DLC would probably make more sense to me as minor factions or new Lords, to give older factions a place in the new game map. Nagash, a Dwarf, Empire or Greenskin Lord, or else a faction like the Dogs of War, which is mostly cobbled together from other races and/or reskinned Empire units would seem to be better candidates to me than Kislev, which I would imagine would be the obvious "good guys" in the new game.

ancapailldorcha · 01-02-2021 08:32PM

Gbear wrote: »

The issue there is that by far the most popular factions are human or humanlike "good guys".

So I think it's almost certain that there will be at least 1 human faction in the base game.

Pre-launch DLC would probably make more sense to me as minor factions or new Lords, to give older factions a place in the new game map. Nagash, a Dwarf, Empire or Greenskin Lord, or else a faction like the Dogs of War, which is mostly cobbled together from other races and/or reskinned Empire units would seem to be better candidates to me than Kislev, which I would imagine would be the obvious "good guys" in the new game.

I think this is why Kislev could be a day one DLC like the Warriors of Chaos were all those years ago. There are assets they could reuse. I remember the original Pirates of Sartosa in the Vortex being reskinned Empire units for instance.

CA do seem like employ the rule of four when these games are initially released. Pre-launch DLC would have to feature a race that people actually want to play. Norsca have literally one decent unit and the Beastmen are both dull and weak so that leaves Kislev who I feel would tap into the defenders of order theme that people like Reikland seem to enjoy.

Gbear · 01-02-2021 09:44PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I think this is why Kislev could be a day one DLC like the Warriors of Chaos were all those years ago. There are assets they could reuse. I remember the original Pirates of Sartosa in the Vortex being reskinned Empire units for instance.

CA do seem like employ the rule of four when these games are initially released. Pre-launch DLC would have to feature a race that people actually want to play. Norsca have literally one decent unit and the Beastmen are both dull and weak so that leaves Kislev who I feel would tap into the defenders of order theme that people like Reikland seem to enjoy.

I think there's too many difference from game to game to easily compare the number of launch factions.

As far as I'm aware, Chaos were intiially intended as a sort of pseudo-faction only meant to provide a challenge to the player. They decided to beef it up a bit near release and make them playable through DLC. They've never really been a proper faction.

For game 2, High Elves and Dark Elves are basically the same army reskinned.

With game 3, they'll have 80% of the Warriors of Chaos already developed, as well as the models for the Slaanesh mortal lord (Sigvald) and the Tzeentch daemon (Lord of Change). They also have things like Chaos Dragons that exist but only as mounts. They could launch with 3 Daemons for each god, a Greater Daemon and a Herald hero for each, a daemon mount for each and a few skins for Lords depending on which mark of chaos they get, as well as ones for god-aligned Chaos Warriors (like Khorne Berzerkers).

That's far less development than for 4 unique factions. Even if they released with the full rosters, or near enough, there's still not that many daemons. The Empire have 20 units and unit variants. High Elves have 25. You'd be struggling to find 10 for each of the Chaos gods, even if you were digging into the lore and weird army books and thrown away bits of canon. And I don't think you can invent units for the Daemons. You can't really have the same generic sort of thing like for, say the Vampire Coast, where you could say "it's a zombie, but it also has a gun!".

Given that Kislev will itself mostly be a reskin, it'd be pretty ****ing cheeky to charge for it as DLC.

ancapailldorcha · 01-02-2021 10:08PM

I don't know. Both games launched with four playable races with the first game having the Warriors of Chaos as pre-launch DLC.

I would disagree regarding the High Elves and Dark Elves. Both factions have different units, different voice packs and different mechanics. Units like Spearmen and Dreadspears might be reskins but on the whole I think that both races are sufficiently different. Kislev might be able to use some units from other races but they'll need their own voicework, lords, heroes and unique units and other things.

I don't know if they'd get away with that amount of overlap. I think the Chaos factions would have to be properly stand alone. I don't know how much covid has hindered development or even how much more is needed as the latter two titles aren't much more than expansions and updates to the first in terms of the map and engine.

I'm going off off how CA have launched the past two titles but given that this is the finale and that people's expectations are high, we might get more for the purchase price this time.

I just hope they rework sieges.

02-02-2021 08:03AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't know. Both games launched with four playable races with the first game having the Warriors of Chaos as pre-launch DLC.

I would disagree regarding the High Elves and Dark Elves. Both factions have different units, different voice packs and different mechanics. Units like Spearmen and Dreadspears might be reskins but on the whole I think that both races are sufficiently different. Kislev might be able to use some units from other races but they'll need their own voicework, lords, heroes and unique units and other things.

I don't know if they'd get away with that amount of overlap. I think the Chaos factions would have to be properly stand alone. I don't know how much covid has hindered development or even how much more is needed as the latter two titles aren't much more than expansions and updates to the first in terms of the map and engine.

I'm going off off how CA have launched the past two titles but given that this is the finale and that people's expectations are high, we might get more for the purchase price this time.

I just hope they rework sieges.

Yeah was going to say I've played both HE and DE recently and I think they're plenty different. Slaves, Black Arks, monsters etc. Some units are similar sure but I think the two factions feel very different to play.

Unrelated to TWW3 but I'm having my first go with Bretonnia at the moment and they seem insanely strong. No supply lines, easy to get economy going with farms, loads of good units along with disposable and free peasants, and Louen Leoncour is absolutely insane. I have him on his flying mount, lots of points in his tank skill line with regen, and you can just send him to fight flipping anything and he will get hundreds of kills taking minimal damage. One thing they really do lack is replenishment but going to try have most of my lords kill the Fey Enchantress to get her trait. Think I'm going to try take over the world, or at least the whole western side of it and we'll think about things from there.

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