Garden shed to store motorcycle?

pegdrums · 31-01-2021 11:08pm #1

Hi all.

Short version of a long story. To extend the rear of our house I have to lose my rickety block shed that came with the house.

The cost of building a block shed is out of the question, metal shed is a possibility but I really would prefer a wooden shed. Easier to live with, hang a tool wall and shelves, insulate etc.

Shed is gonna be 12ft x 10ft. Double doors, 2 windows. Not a log cabin just a decent shed.

It's gonna store my Transalp, bicycles, surfboard, all the camping gear, all my tools and will also be getting a workbench put in.

Concrete or wooden floor?

I'd love a concrete floor. I could paint it like my old one which made finding screws, nails, bolts that fall nice and handy.
2 shed companies told me I couldn't plonk a shed on a concrete slab....it would still need to be sat on paving slabs.

Does anyone have a wooden shed with a concrete floor?

Second question is two fold......

Would a wooden floor be strong enough for TA plus workbench etc??

Going in and out with a dripping wet bike, is that gonna eventually rot the floor?

Thanks for reading

zubair · 01-02-2021 12:12am

I would have thought thats too small for all that stuff.

Well a wooden shed will rot. My petrol mower went through the floor of mine when it rotted. And a bike will probably damage it as soon as it starts to weaken so you will eventually have to replace it. A metal shed is a better investment and suits your needs.

listermint · 01-02-2021 12:14am

Wooden shed is a silly idea no offence but it's an all round inferior product to a metal one.

gipi · 01-02-2021 12:31am

I had a wooden shed, 12 X 12, with a wooden floor on a concrete base which stored 3 bikes at one stage (including a pan and a beemer 650). I had no problems with rotting floors or condensation for the 10+ years I had the shed (it's still standing, I moved house).

Max Headroom · 01-02-2021 11:10am

Built a wooden cabin 8 years ago with treated timbers....wooden floor doubled up 1.5 inches thick..4 bikes , lawnmower, fridge etc in there are no issue......best part is it doesnt look like a tin shed...:)

Breezin · 01-02-2021 11:16am

I have a wooden shed (as I live in a terraced house with no garage), and it works well.

There are sheds and sheds -- get a good one with wall and roof insulation for a few euro more. Mine came with ventilation at the top but I added extra. A good shed maker also will customise the width of the door so that it the bike fits in.

The floor won't rot or get damaged by the weight of the bike because it has an additional layer of tough marine ply screwed down to it.

If you search this forum you will see lots of people mentioning condensation problems with their steel sheds.

Breezin · 01-02-2021 11:17am

Max Headroom wrote: »

Built a wooden cabin 8 years ago with treated timbers....wooden floor doubled up 1.5 inches thick..4 bikes , lawnmower, fridge etc in there are no issue......best part is it doesnt look like a tin shed...

That too!

Fabio · 01-02-2021 11:27am

If I were you I'd have a concrete base laid and put a steel shed on that. Yes, there can be condensation issues if there's not enough airflow through the steel shed but most of them have an anti-condensation liner to stop drips coming from the roof, and enough ventilation that condensation doesn't stick around too long.

There's no maintenance with a steel shed really and they'll last forever.

Cork Trucker · 01-02-2021 11:36am

Steel tech shed = No condensation. I’m in the process of buying one myself

robbie_63 · 01-02-2021 11:37am

I'm hoping to get a small shed for my own bike in the next few weeks,

I would be looking at Timber also, once you have extra plywood sheets supported on the floor it should be strong enough to hold the bike.

Henry Ford III · 01-02-2021 11:53am

Fabio wrote: »

If I were you I'd have a concrete base laid and put a steel shed on that. Yes, there can be condensation issues if there's not enough airflow through the steel shed but most of them have an anti-condensation liner to stop drips coming from the roof, and enough ventilation that condensation doesn't stick around too long.

There's no maintenance with a steel shed really and they'll last forever.

10 years and mine is toast. Rusting out.

pegdrums · 01-02-2021 12:07pm

pretty heated issue between steel or wood it seems!

looked at a few steeltech sheds there at the weekend....they seemed sturdier than i had imagined. nice looking bit of kit. Putting a window in is almost 300 quid though. Insulating them seems harder and after just working out the cost of a concrete base is more expensive than I thought I'll be staying wood I think.

my budget is around the 2k mark.

I like the idea of adding a sheet of marine ply to the floor. one company said they could add extra floor struts too.

how do youanage access with the marine play installed? did ya build a ramp?

Breezin · 01-02-2021 3:00pm

Shed wars! :eek:

The ply on the floor doesn't add any real height to it. I screwed it straight on. It's lower than the floor lip in the door frame.

listermint · 01-02-2021 3:27pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

10 years and mine is toast. Rusting out.

Badly installed or wrong materials tbh.

zubair · 01-02-2021 3:27pm

Breezin wrote: »

Shed wars! :eek:

Jesus, we're showing our age now.

listermint · 01-02-2021 3:52pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Does anybody do decent sized plastic ones? That solves the rusting/rotting issue.

There isn't a rust and rotting issue if they are install correctly. Theres business units up and down the country made from the same sheeting built twenty years plus.

fatbast · 01-02-2021 4:12pm

This one is 20 x 10 Scandinavian timber tongue and groove floor with flooring grade plywood over it. Metal roof anti drop lining. Warm and dry 3k all in including lighting. Fits 10 bikes.

blade1 · 01-02-2021 5:40pm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Steel tech shed = No condensation. I’m in the process of buying one myself

My neighbour told me the other day he is getting condensation in his.
Kingspan and OSB board all over.

Cork Trucker · 01-02-2021 5:50pm

blade1 wrote: »

My neighbour told me the other day he is getting condensation in his.
Kingspan and OSB board all over.

Really ??? Bummer!!!!! Aren’t they guaranteed for 20 years?

Cork Trucker · 01-02-2021 5:55pm

This is of interest

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057200478/2

robbie_63 · 01-02-2021 5:56pm

blade1 wrote: »

My neighbour told me the other day he is getting condensation in his.
Kingspan and OSB board all over.

Usually that's a ventilation issue,

Parents have a Steeltech shed 5-6 Years now and not a drop of condensation in it,
they are a great shed if you can afford it.

Cork Trucker · 01-02-2021 6:00pm

robbie_63 wrote: »

Usually that's a ventilation issue,

Parents have a Steeltech shed 5-6 Years now and not a drop of condensation in it,
they are a great shed if you can afford it.

Would fitting a small heater make any difference?

TheBoyConor · 01-02-2021 6:03pm

A heater will probably cost you as much money in 10 years as it would have cost to build a proper shed in the first place.

I don't get this "you can't put it on a concrete slab" business. That is nonsense. Of course you can. But you've to do it right.

blade1 · 01-02-2021 6:15pm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Really ??? Bummer!!!!! Aren’t they guaranteed for 20 years?

So he said anyway.

robbie_63 wrote: »

Usually that's a ventilation issue,

Parents have a Steeltech shed 5-6 Years now and not a drop of condensation in it,
they are a great shed if you can afford it.

I must ask my brother if he has any problems as he has the same steeltech shed as my neighbour.
They both have 6m X 8m.

My own steel shed which isn't a steeltech gets very damp as well when there is a change in temp.

I keep my bikes in a wooden shed with a 12 litre dehumidifier in it now and use the steel shed as work place instead.

Also, an elderly gentleman up the road from me has a huge steel shed from another company whose name escapes at the moment.

It's about 12m X 8m and at least 4m high.
He's not happy with it as his classic Italian car collection is getting damp.

listermint · 01-02-2021 6:25pm

People pouring slabs without DPCs . Improper drainage around them and blocking off all ventilation with insulation and boards will find damp **** inside.

Those that work drainage into their plan.

Pour a slab with a dpc and better yet some floor insulation too.

And put mechanical ventilation on their shed or an opening window will find the opposite and it will out last you.

blade1 · 01-02-2021 6:41pm

listermint wrote: »

People pouring slabs without DPCs . Improper drainage around them and blocking off all ventilation with insulation and boards will find damp **** inside.

Those that work drainage into their plan.

Pour a slab with a dpc and better yet some floor insulation too.

And put mechanical ventilation on their shed or an opening window will find the opposite and it will out last you.

All sheds mentioned in my post above have dpc and speaking of my shed there's loads of ventilation.

listermint · 01-02-2021 6:43pm

blade1 wrote: »

All sheds mentioned in my post above have dpc and speaking of my shed there's loads of ventilation.

If there was loads of ventilation then you wouldn't have damp .

Ventilation is inadequate which is why moisture settles on surfaces.

blade1 · 01-02-2021 6:57pm

listermint wrote: »

If there was loads of ventilation then you wouldn't have damp .

Ventilation is inadequate which is why moisture settles on surfaces.

I'll take the roof off and see does that help.

Have a concrete shed and two wooden with far less ventilation and condensation is not a problem.

pegdrums · 01-02-2021 6:58pm

fatbast wrote: »

This one is 20 x 10 Scandinavian timber tongue and groove floor with flooring grade plywood over it. Metal roof anti drop lining. Warm and dry 3k all in including lighting. Fits 10 bikes.

Nice looking shed alright. Mind me asking what company you got it from?

pegdrums · 01-02-2021 7:01pm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

This is of interest

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057200478/2

That's a fine job indeed. I really like the rebated floor. I think that's the right term. The kinda stepped idea.

That's what I originally wanted to do as it seems to be the most solid option. However the euro monster keeps taking monies from me so even if I was competent enough to do it myself and do it well it'd still throw the budget out of whack Id say. 10ft x 12ft x 3 inches deep would be the slab. Be a few quid no?

pegdrums · 01-02-2021 7:12pm

Breezin wrote: »

Shed wars! :eek:

The ply on the floor doesn't add any real height to it. I screwed it straight on. It's lower than the floor lip in the door frame.

Nice one.

I took some screenshots from a youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUuHoApdxS0

This set up would be ideal. Nice tidy job of the slab. i'm only guessing putting in the slab would be expensive. I'm not even sure how to work out how much of what I would need.

pegdrums · 01-02-2021 7:14pm

I'm looking at something along these lines:https://mcdgardensheds.ie/garden-sheds/25-18299-mcd-traditional-garden-shed.html#/106-shed_size_depth_x_width-12ft_x_10ft_2_windows

Nodster · 01-02-2021 7:17pm

pegdrums wrote: »

That's a fine job indeed. I really like the rebated floor. I think that's the right term. The kinda stepped idea.

Think they call it a ring beam

pegdrums · 01-02-2021 7:20pm

Nodster wrote: »

Think they call it a ring beam

Cheers

fatbast · 01-02-2021 7:59pm

pegdrums wrote: »

Nice looking shed alright. Mind me asking what company you got it from?

Yes MCD sheds

Max Headroom · 01-02-2021 9:48pm

pegdrums wrote: »

pretty heated issue between steel or wood it seems!

looked at a few steeltech sheds there at the weekend....they seemed sturdier than i had imagined. nice looking bit of kit. Putting a window in is almost 300 quid though. Insulating them seems harder and after just working out the cost of a concrete base is more expensive than I thought I'll be staying wood I think.

my budget is around the 2k mark.

I like the idea of adding a sheet of marine ply to the floor. one company said they could add extra floor struts too.

how do youanage access with the marine play installed? did ya build a ramp?

Fcuuuuuk......mine cost about 1500..with all the insulation, French doors ,2 Windows and drylined.......ok I built myself tho...:o

MojoMaker · 02-02-2021 9:46am

What's that shed sitting on fatbast? Looks well.

fatbast · 02-02-2021 9:49am

MojoMaker wrote: »

What's that shed sitting on fatbast? Looks well.

Its on blocks on gravel which has a dpc in it, thanks

markad1 · 02-02-2021 9:54am

Any issues with your bike insurance if it's wood or brick shed?
I'm always asked if bike is stored in a brick shed, seems to be an issue for me.

D3V!L · 02-02-2021 10:14am

I got a Shanette Shed about 2 years ago. Its got 40mm insulation even in the roof and sitting on a concreate base. No problems even with the snow and heavy frost recently. I'm in the process of lining it with 12mm OSB for added sound proofing and insulation.

pegdrums · 02-02-2021 12:47pm

D3V!L wrote: »

I got a Shanette Shed about 2 years ago. Its got 40mm insulation even in the roof and sitting on a concreate base. No problems even with the snow and heavy frost recently. I'm in the process of lining it with 12mm OSB for added sound proofing and insulation.

They do look good alright but beyond me money wise.

robbie_63 · 02-02-2021 12:52pm

Same here, I'll be lucky to get a small timber shed to store mine in.

I'm jealous of all these proper sheds \ workshops

pegdrums · 02-02-2021 1:05pm

robbie_63 wrote: »

Same here, I'll be lucky to get a small timber shed to store mine in.

I'm jealous of all these proper sheds \ workshops

The cost can spiral quickly alright. One nights excited googling had me looking at 1500k region sheds then suddenly I was trying to justify 5-6k worth of shed. tHERE'S DREAMS AND THERE'S REALITY.

PadraigBr · 02-02-2021 1:26pm

Wooden shed works really well, many people are using wooden sheds with roof and wall insulation with a little more investment and if it has ventilation then good as well, also you have the option to customise it based on your requirements so that vehicles fit in easily, also the floor will be fine if using the good quality of ply and screwed it down properly, also you can use concrete base laid to make it a bit more strong.

pegdrums · 02-02-2021 1:34pm

Cheers for that man.

We are getting a bunch of work done on the house also (hence my € restrictions), so I'll be getting the insulation from the dormer and re-using it in the shed which is a bonus. I'll probably re-use the flooring from the dormer too instead of throwing it out, to keep insulation in place and it'll be toasty. And free.

As far as I know the shed Im favouring has decent ventilation, 1 vent at each gable.

mloc123 · 02-02-2021 1:41pm

zubair wrote: »

Well a wooden shed will rot.

A properly installed and maintained wooden shed will not rot.. not in your lifetime anyway

listermint · 02-02-2021 5:18pm

mloc123 wrote: »

A properly installed and maintained wooden shed will not rot.. not in your lifetime anyway

How are folks painting the back and sides of it when it's up against a wall ? Skinny children ? :P

Nabidana · 02-02-2021 5:25pm

listermint wrote: »

How are folks painting the back and sides of it when it's up against a wall ? Skinny children ? :P

Spray it from top of the wall?

Using one of these babies...
https://www.screwfix.ie/c/decorating/electric-paint-sprayers/cat830802

pegdrums · 02-02-2021 5:32pm

My fence panels lift up so I'll prop them up and send a child in that way!

Its a nice easy system for thieves too

Garden shed to store motorcycle?

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