February Running Challenge

OOnegative · 01-02-2021 1:01pm

Any issues with someone cycling to the run location and doing it as long as it falls within their allotted time?

Comic Book Guy · 01-02-2021 1:04pm

OOnegative wrote: »

The lowlands of The Netherlands ain’t helping me on this one!!!!

Haha!

I have your Sliabh Ban run not far away here!

skyblue46 · 01-02-2021 1:04pm

shotgunmcos wrote: »

elapsed time no greater than 36:00. If Strava records your elapsed time as 36:01, thats a DQ. Up to you to risk how close you want to cut it.

Did you not use Garmin for the hour challenge?

jackc101 · 01-02-2021 1:06pm

I'm going to break out the map, compass, projector and set square on this one

shotgunmcos · 01-02-2021 1:08pm

jackc101 wrote: »

I'm going to break out the map, compass, projector and set square on this one

Lads, I've nearly wet myself laughing at this thread this morning.. already a tonic for this Lockdown

skyblue46 wrote: »

Did you not use Garmin for the hour challenge?

And manually pressed stop

Dubh Geannain · 01-02-2021 1:15pm

Had a quick look at possibly the best hill I could use which is in a field so weather depending. I think I've got a target of maybe around 155 m in 37 minutes. It'd be 31 hills with a 5 m gain. I've done 10 here before. What's another 21?

Starting to feel a bit ill and not convinced I'll get the 31 in. If my cadence looks a bit funny on Strava towards the end it's probably because I'm crawling.

Has anyone with a big hill beside them have an expected elevation gain for comparison?

I'm looking at a hill I used before for sprints. Usually 13s up and 40s down. This could become around 25s up and 45s down but I'm guessing a little. With 31 reps it gives me 155 m in just over 36 minutes.

OOnegative · 01-02-2021 1:15pm

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

Haha!

I have your Sliabh Ban run not far away here!

703ft of elevation over 10km!

BeginnerRunner · 01-02-2021 1:22pm

Dubh Geannain wrote: »

Had a quick look at possibly the best hill I could use which is in a field so weather depending. I think I've got a target of maybe around 155 m in 37 minutes. It'd be 31 hills with a 5 m gain. I've done 10 here before. What's another 21?

Starting to feel a bit ill and not convinced I'll get the 31 in. If my cadence looks a bit funny on Strava towards the end it's probably because I'm crawling.

Has anyone with a big hill beside them have an expected elevation gain for comparison?

I'm looking at a hill I used before for sprints. Usually 13s up and 40s down. This could become around 25s up and 45s down but I'm guessing a little. With 31 reps it gives me 155 m in just over 36 minutes.

177m vertical over about 900m. Last time up was in boots with a 10kg pack and it took 13-14min up and roughly the same down.

BeginnerRunner · 01-02-2021 1:25pm

I do think those of us with mountains on our doorstep will be somewhat retarded by the current weather conditions so if we could re do this in July that'd be fab!!!

...also - 100% setting a count down timer on my watch for this to go off 15-20 seconds before my time elapses. The extra meter or two gained is NOT be worth the risk.

Annie get your Run · 01-02-2021 1:37pm

shotgunmcos wrote: »

Rule #6 - Elapsed time only

Edit: to explain a little. You will have to likely break your run into 3 runs. Your warm up to your chosen hill, bridge, steps etc.. (Unless you intend to not warm up for this :eek:). Start another run and ensure you stop it before your time runs out. It would really really suck to put this effort in to forget to stop it or stop it too late or remember that Strava adds a second! Consider also how fuzzy your brain will be towards the end of your time..

So, unless you have a long continuous climb that will keep you going for the duration, you will have to return to base/start, within the allowable time.

Can we can stop anywhere and stop the watch to complete that run? if we have to walk/jog or crawl home that's a separate run?

Kander · 01-02-2021 1:41pm

jackc101 wrote: »

I'm going to break out the map, compass, projector and set square on this one

This might spur me on to lose a kg or two

as well. Change the power to weight ratio

skyblue46 · 01-02-2021 2:09pm

shotgunmcos wrote: »

And manually pressed stop

Sorry I wasn't clear. I think its perfectly acceptable. If someone uses their watch, stops it in time and has a pic of it should that not be acceptable if Strava adds a couple of seconds to push the time over?

TFBubendorfer · 01-02-2021 2:25pm

I successfully managed to ignore this for the entire January.
Now I have a dodgy Achilles, and it's by far at its worst when climbing a steep hill.
This would be a really bad idea.

May I join?

Murph_D · 01-02-2021 2:36pm

shotgunmcos wrote: »

To be fair, that would be a high risk of DQ! Garmins by design keep the clock running beyond a workout until you manually press stop. Given the effort this challenge will take, I would not leave it in the hands of tech!

Rule#6 is set in stone.

Does the time verification have to be Strava? What about Garmin Connect, which doesn’t add a second?

Murph_D · 01-02-2021 2:39pm

Annie get your Run wrote: »

Can we can stop anywhere and stop the watch to complete that run? if we have to walk/jog or crawl home that's a separate run?

That’s how I understand it anyway. Most people will be trying to end the run at the top of a hill.

shotgunmcos · 01-02-2021 3:13pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

Sorry I wasn't clear. I think its perfectly acceptable. If someone uses their watch, stops it in time and has a pic of it should that not be acceptable if Strava adds a couple of seconds to push the time over?

Aha got you. Yes of course. Validation is validation.. GC, Screen shot of Garmin, Strava etc... I took a pic of my Boards 5K TT time last year and put that on Strava as B was only taking Strava

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

I successfully managed to ignore this for the entire January.
Now I have a dodgy Achilles, and it's by far at its worst when climbing a steep hill.
This would be a really bad idea.

May I join?

Of course welcome!! However, both you and AMK and anyone else who joins need to submit a number. 10k Estimate or double 5k roundest to nearest minute. Prepare to be called out if you chance your arm

Murph_D wrote: »

That’s how I understand it anyway. Most people will be trying to end the run at the top of a hill.

This is one point I'd like to discuss so that we can all agree on.

Finish at the top of your hill/climb?
Or finish at the bottom?

I'll do a poll!

shotgunmcos · 01-02-2021 3:18pm

POLL added for potential Rule #7.

It closes on Wednesday.

This was something I could not decide upon without input. Given most people will have to do repetitions of some sort. Those with a mountain or big hill that can absorb their single time, would have to turn at some point and make it back to the start before time runs out.

BeginnerRunner · 01-02-2021 3:23pm

I'll have to turn around and come down on my route at some point, but if I had the option to I'd have just gone up for as long as possible. So I guess it's only fair I vote that way

eyrie · 01-02-2021 3:23pm

shotgunmcos wrote: »

Challenge #2: Elevation Challenge
Gain the most vertical metres in the time allowed.
Time allowed is your 10k or double your 5k rounded to nearest minute.

Ay ay ay! You didn't want to make it too easy on us this month eh? I was thanking you for getting me back out running in January but I've a feeling I'll be cursing you for February.

I'm strictly on an easy-only/low HR approach to running at the moment so my attempt at this is guaranteed to be pathetic and may not get much beyond walking uphill, but I'll do it anyway!

shotgunmcos · 01-02-2021 3:25pm

eyrie wrote: »

Ay ay ay! You didn't want to make it too easy on us this month eh? I was thanking you for getting me back out running in January but I've a feeling I'll be cursing you for February.

I'm strictly on an easy-only/low HR approach to running at the moment so my attempt at this is guaranteed to be pathetic and may not get much beyond walking uphill, but I'll do it anyway!

You finished towards the top of the table for January, points in the bag. Do what you can/want, other challenges to come hopefully

eyrie · 01-02-2021 3:27pm

shotgunmcos wrote: »

You finished towards the top of the table for January, points in the bag. Do what you can/want, other challenges to come hopefully

For sure. And this one sounds like fun, it just also sounds like torture

Lambay island · 01-02-2021 3:28pm

BeginnerRunner wrote: »

I'll have to turn around and come down on my route at some point, but if I had the option to I'd have just gone up for as long as possible. So I guess it's only fair I vote that way

Same here. Sprinting down a mountain is a recipe for disaster for me!

Omeceron · 01-02-2021 3:40pm

Is there bonus points for the highest number of reps.

There is a serious lack of hills within my 5km. I might have to run up and down the stairs!

edinrunna · 01-02-2021 3:45pm

My location couldn't be much better for this, no 5k limit here so the only question is which of the 7 hills of Edinburgh to choose!

Murph_D · 01-02-2021 4:00pm

The poll is ambiguous. You could do at least one rep up and down and still finish at the top, or near the top. Which would be good time management/hill selection.

Dudda · 01-02-2021 4:16pm

jackc101 wrote: »

I'm going to break out the map, compass, projector and set square on this one

Have you ordered a barometer online yet?

Got me thinking. I've never paid much attention to elevation. How much more accurate are garmin watches that have barometers? I've a F245 that doesn't have one but the other half has a Garmin vivoactive or something like that but it has a barometer. Would I be better using hers?

Annie get your Run · 01-02-2021 4:24pm

I have multiple hills around me, I was planning to run up and down each of them and include as many as possible in the time allotted.. My start and finish locations would be nowhere near each other though. Not sure which option in the poll that covers

shotgunmcos · 01-02-2021 4:36pm

Murph_D wrote: »

The poll is ambiguous. You could do at least one rep up and down and still finish at the top, or near the top. Which would be good time management/hill selection.

Fair enough it was a quick poll, can't change now. Just wanted to get a flavour of thoughts about having a mountain vs not having a mountain. A continiuous uphill would be ideal really. If we didn't have lockdown, I'd have that option and would prefer it. As is, I'm really stuck actually. Might have to consider stairs and I already know how dodgy GPS is on steps

So you could still finish high, just that you have to do at least 1 rep from your highest elevation. E.G run half way up, back down, back up to half way. As long as the first rep was just a token to satisfy the rule...

Hopefully it explains why I didn't put it in the rules the first time and will likely not change (the way the poll is trending). Didn't want to start off the challenge with a debate about rules

Annie get your Run wrote: »

I have multiple hills around me, I was planning to run up and down each of them and include as many as possible in the time allotted.. My start and finish locations would be nowhere near each other though. Not sure which option in the poll that covers

That grand A

I like the sound of your plan by the way. I guess I could have asked if there should be a minimum about of descent involved but thats not the challenge. I'm glad I left it out initially :cool:

OOnegative · 01-02-2021 4:38pm

If it’s finish at the top of a climb I’ll have to give this a miss, I’ll be struggling as is for elevation gain let alone finish on top of a hill.

shotgunmcos · 01-02-2021 4:42pm

OOnegative wrote: »

If it’s finish at the top of a climb I’ll have to give this a miss, I’ll be struggling as is for elevation gain let alone finish on top of a hill.

The poll to fair is a little misleading in this respect. You can start and finish wherever you like. It was more to see that there is an acceptance that as unlucky you can be with location, some will be lucky with Mountains and no lockdown. Both you and edinrunna are case in point!

skyblue46 · 01-02-2021 5:17pm

Dudda wrote: »

Have you ordered a barometer online yet?

Got me thinking. I've never paid much attention to elevation. How much more accurate are garmin watches that have barometers? I've a F245 that doesn't have one but the other half has a Garmin vivoactive or something like that but it has a barometer. Would I be better using hers?

The barometer in the Garmin 645 isn't very accurate. It rarely, if ever, shows me finishing at the same elevation as I started and I always run a loop back to where I began. For example the watch gave me 105ft of elevation today but 2 apps I use which only use GPS plot points gave elevation as 139ft...almost 33% difference.

Murph_D · 01-02-2021 5:20pm

Dudda wrote: »

Have you ordered a barometer online yet?

Got me thinking. I've never paid much attention to elevation. How much more accurate are garmin watches that have barometers? I've a F245 that doesn't have one but the other half has a Garmin vivoactive or something like that but it has a barometer. Would I be better using hers?

Some Garmin barometers or whatever they use as a built in elevation measurer are useless. I had a couple of clubmates routinely amassing climbs of thousands of feet while running at sea level. It’s up to M but I’d recommend sticking to the old Garmin method (which uses elevation databases). Not sure what Strava does with this data, mind. Possibly reconverts it!

Murph_D · 01-02-2021 5:22pm

shotgunmcos wrote: »

Didn't want to start off the challenge with a debate about rules

Looks like that happened anyway!

skyblue46 · 01-02-2021 5:24pm

Murph_D wrote: »

Some Garmin barometers or whatever they use as a built in elevation measurer are useless. I had a couple of clubmates routinely amassing climbs of thousands of feet while running at sea level. It’s up to M but I’d recommend sticking to the old Garmin method (which uses elevation databases). Not sure what Strava does with this data, mind. Possibly reconverts it!

Strava uses the results straight from Garmin. It is hopeless. I know Runalyze reconverts it to GPS data.

Pherekydes · 01-02-2021 5:24pm

Dudda wrote: »

Have you ordered a barometer online yet?

Got me thinking. I've never paid much attention to elevation. How much more accurate are garmin watches that have barometers? I've a F245 that doesn't have one but the other half has a Garmin vivoactive or something like that but it has a barometer. Would I be better using hers?

How good is she at hills? Boom boom. :pac:

Yeah, on a more sober note, I'm going to finish with 1 point again, aren't I?

Murph_D · 01-02-2021 5:41pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

Strava uses the results straight from Garmin. It is hopeless. I know Runalyze reconverts it to GPS data.

Hmmm. My run yesterday had an elevation gain of 51m according to Garmin, and Max elevation of 33m. Strava ‘converted’ those numbers to 66m and 34m respectively. :rolleyes:

skyblue46 · 01-02-2021 5:51pm

Murph_D wrote: »

Hmmm. My run yesterday had an elevation gain of 51m according to Garmin, and Max elevation of 33m. Strava ‘converted’ those numbers to 66m and 34m respectively. :rolleyes:

I just checked a few and the numbers are slightly different alright but the graph on Strava follows the Garmin trace which always shows a different finishing elevation. My run yesterday showed 236ft on Runalyze, 321 on Garmin and 318 on Strava...,:rolleyes:

shotgunmcos · 01-02-2021 6:06pm

Pherekydes wrote: »

How good is she at hills? Boom boom. :pac:

Yeah, on a more sober note, I'm going to finish with 1 point again, aren't I?

Nope, a minimum of 2. Provided you give it at least one attempt. Everyone who gave in a number before the Challenge thread started will get a bonus point added at the end of the month if they participate.

skyblue46 wrote: »

I just checked a few and the numbers are slightly different alright but the graph on Strava follows the Garmin trace which always shows a different finishing elevation. My run yesterday showed 236ft on Runalyze, 321 on Garmin and 318 on Strava...,:rolleyes:

Hence Rule #4

Whatever the result confirmed on this thread, I'll check the validation and thats it. My run today gave me 79m elevation and I lost 90m somehow despite looping back to my house :rolleyes:

BeginnerRunner · 01-02-2021 6:38pm

So who else is thinking they'll just wait until the last few days of Feb to see how everyone else did and then completely send it?

I don't think I'd be up for this run twice.

shotgunmcos · 01-02-2021 6:52pm

BeginnerRunner wrote: »

So who else is thinking they'll just wait until the last few days of Feb to see how everyone else did and then completely send it?

I don't think I'd be up for this run twice.

You could do an easier recce, see where that sits. Then smash it later

shotgunmcos · 01-02-2021 6:55pm

Just to keep a track of new participants before I create the table again (I'll do that for whoever comes in first with a result so they can sit at 20 points for a while

)

AMK
jackc101
TFBubendorfer

Ye need to commit to a time limit lads :cool:

TFBubendorfer · 01-02-2021 7:46pm

I did a 42 min 10k TT on a treadmill last month. https://www.strava.com/activities/4590817736

crisco10 · 01-02-2021 7:58pm

BeginnerRunner wrote: »

So who else is thinking they'll just wait until the last few days of Feb to see how everyone else did and then completely send it?

I don't think I'd be up for this run twice.

Was actually thinking along the same lines but that I would do an effort early in month and see how it fares then have another go at end of month if needs be. I.e have max recovery time. This won’t be like January where you could multiple attempts in a week.

Edit: also, would the buggy actually be against the rules? Fine if so, just not sure if you were joking or not!

Annie get your Run · 01-02-2021 8:28pm

I think ill try a few partial route variations every weekend and then try to put together the final route. Some of the steepest hills are far apart so will require a decision as to which to use, or else pick up the pace between them which I doubt I could get away with.

I won't get the highest result but plan to have a lot of fun along the way

py · 01-02-2021 8:29pm

Lambay island wrote: »

Ha, yes its almost feels like cheating if I do this with my location.

Stocking Lane * 2-3 reps and then straight up to Cruagh?

Swashbuckler · 01-02-2021 9:19pm

Boys oh boys I was not expecting that!

No idea where to even start with that one.... Yikes.

MY BAD · 01-02-2021 10:06pm

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Boys oh boys I was not expecting that!

No idea where to even start with that one.... Yikes.

Out to Cratloe woods with ya

Swashbuckler · 01-02-2021 10:07pm

MY BAD wrote: »

Out to Cratloe woods with ya

Am I allowed into Co. Clare?

Lambay island · 01-02-2021 10:19pm

py wrote: »

Stocking Lane * 2-3 reps and then straight up to Cruagh?

I could get as far as entrance to Cruagh but then outside range. I can get up to Fairy Castle via Kilmashogue or Ticknock though.

py · 01-02-2021 11:35pm

Lambay island wrote: »

I could get as far as entrance to Cruagh but then outside range. I can get up to Fairy Castle via Kilmashogue or Ticknock though.

Some good options there. I've been trying to minimise repeats to avoid wasting time not ascending. Still tinkering with routes that fall within 5Km. Stocking Lane > Mount Venus > Masseys > Viewpoint gets about 350-360m ascent.Repeats on Kilmashogue lane is another option as there's some serious elevation on it.

February Running Challenge

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