What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

Melanchthon wrote: »

True actually hadn't thought about the volume order aspect in terms of the unit price.

In terms of the development funding? Nothing I have seen indicates the EU put money in for development?

If your production costs are funded then logically you can use your cash for development.

runawaybishop wrote: »

If your production costs are funded then logically you can use your cash for development.

That would be true if you were making a profit.

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

The grave folly was committed by the Irish government last night. Their obsession with the border had them misjudge this situation, overestimate the real implications of what the EU was correctly doing, and so they undermined the EU. While the commission played ball, I am sure they are rightly furious. As am I, and I am sure, most Irish people. It is not for the first time that this preciousness about northern republican sensibilities has provoked the Irish government to make its own people pay a high price.

What is the problem with the Irish government trying to find out what is going on with regards to the border? Should discussions not have taken place with the various parties involved with the border before this unilateral action was taken by the EU Commission in their dispute with a drug company?

The 4 companies subcontracted by AZ in Europe as mentioned by the CEO in his interview as being companies based in Belgium, Holland, Germany & Italy

Based on the link below it looks like 2 companies in the UK are making the material cobra biologics & Oxford

Biomedica ( both UK owned ) & Wockhardt Indian Owned - UK branch are finishing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-30/faced-with-a-vaccine-emergency-the-eu-made-an-enemy-of-everyone

2 Producing the material

Novasep - USA Owned Belgium Branch

Halix - Privately owned Dutch company

Two companies finishing the product

Catalent - USA Owned Italian Branch

Siegfried - Swiss owned German Branch

Or

idt biologika - German Owned

What a coincidence after posting the above.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/30/exclusive-britain-ready-help-eu-covid-vaccines/

The Dutch company Halix has supply problems also and last month British Engineers were sent out to speed up delays.

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

I think that the only reason this has been addressed is because some people have alleged that the EU funded the research.

UK only left the EU on 31st Jan 2020. The vaccine was already more or less developed by then. They weren't starting from scratch and the Chinese had publicly released the genetic code for the virus.


What do you think the UK did? Sent over a few suitcases of cash on 1st Feb and the university labs hired and trained up new staff that they didn't have when they had EU funding?



BTW, some of the first batches for human trials were produced in Italy in April

Donald Trump wrote: »

UK only left the EU on 31st Jan 2020. The vaccine was already more or less developed by then. They weren't starting from scratch and the Chinese had publicly released the genetic code for the virus.


What do you think the UK did? Sent over a few suitcases of cash on 1st Feb and the university labs hired and trained up new staff that they didn't have when they had EU funding?



BTW, some of the first batches for human trials were produced in Italy in April

I understood that most of the AZ finish fill release will be done in Italy.

It's not AZ's site though so that might be why it's not mentioned too often.

hotmail.com wrote: »

Britain to help us from May onwards with vaccines it's reported tonight.

Good news.

Extract from David Quinn - feels perfect for the above quote and this thread

"In Ireland we are oblivious to the level of discontent with Brussels elsewhere in Europe. Media coverage follows the commission’s line and blames AstraZeneca. It’s no wonder a new EU survey reveals no one is happier than the Irish with the EU’s response to the pandemic. The poll shows that 72 per cent of us are satisfied, compared with 45 per cent in Germany and 36 per cent in France. The level of satisfaction here is nothing more than a reflection of how woefully ill-informed we are.

The EU’s vaccine performance has been dire, and will cost further lives and livelihoods. The Irish government must do a better job of defending our interests. That might mean asking the British for surplus supplies. This should be considered, but probably won’t be, because we would have to swallow our national pride and breach EU solidarity.

For our government, indefinite lockdown may be preferable to annoying the European Commission, or not being seen to wear the EU jersey."

josip wrote: »

David Quinn, is that the same David Quinn who's a religious nutjob?

Writes in the times

Dont see any references to god in the article so i think you have the wrong man

mista11 wrote: »

Extract from David Quinn - feels perfect for the above quote and this thread

"In Ireland we are oblivious to the level of discontent with Brussels elsewhere in Europe. Media coverage follows the commission’s line and blames AstraZeneca. It’s no wonder a new EU survey reveals no one is happier than the Irish with the EU’s response to the pandemic. The poll shows that 72 per cent of us are satisfied, compared with 45 per cent in Germany and 36 per cent in France. The level of satisfaction here is nothing more than a reflection of how woefully ill-informed we are.

The EU’s vaccine performance has been dire, and will cost further lives and livelihoods. The Irish government must do a better job of defending our interests. That might mean asking the British for surplus supplies. This should be considered, but probably won’t be, because we would have to swallow our national pride and breach EU solidarity.

For our government, indefinite lockdown may be preferable to annoying the European Commission, or not being seen to wear the EU jersey."

David Quinn has been on the wrong side of every argument he's ever had. If the country is doing the opposite of what he's saying, we're on the right track.

sameoldname wrote: »

David Quinn has been on the wrong side of every argument he's ever had. If the country is doing the opposite of what he's saying, we're on the right track.

Which points do you think are wrong then? i trust him as much as i trust boris, ursula,Micheal M etc .....which isnt very much

If the Uk offered us the vaccine would you support getting it?

Qwertyminger wrote: »

Mail on Sunday reporting that Arlene wants us to acknowledge that the EU handled Brexit badly in exchange for vaccines.

??!

wouldnt put much trust in that.
the media coverage of the last couple of days has been sensationalist shyte.

she would be in no position to blackmail the republic anyway, shes just bojos least used puppet.

Wolf359f wrote: »

Amazing how AZ said they would deliver to the EU 31mil doses starting the second week of feb and a few days after all the shot blew up, it becomes 39mil doses starting a week earlier.

Sure, it's often I find 8 million does of vaccine down the back of the couch!

mista11 wrote: »

That wasnt my question - If the Uk offered us the vaccine would you support getting it?

The UK isn't offering us the vaccine and if everything is above board with AstroZeneca they won't have any excess vaccines until after the EU's order is fulfilled. So what's to actually answer?

mista11 wrote: »

Silence is golden isnt it, tells far more than being open

ill answer your question then - i think the UK should release some of their current UK supply (not "more than it needs") earmarked for healtly young UK people with minute risk of serious infection and send that to europeans / Irish at risk of serious illness

Would you take it if they did?

But they're not offering that are they? They aren't offering anything at all and no one has asked them to either.