COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

ACitizenErased · 29-01-2021 07:15PM

Christ imagine the reaction of some when they hear the Russians are involved

AMKC · 29-01-2021 07:15PM

It would be great if someone could make a thread in here that explains all the vaccines and how each one works. I hope when I get my vaccine that I get the Janssen Vaccine as that is only 1 jab for it not too. I really don't like needles so that would be good with me.

Cole · 29-01-2021 07:15PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

Absolutely. My elderly mother has got sucked into only reading the news headlines on efficacy percentages and not understanding that these vaccines firstly will largely prevent death and serious illness to end this pandemic, she is now saying she would refuse the AZ vaccine if offered tough to hear it

My parents would still take AZ if that's what they're offered, but if they had a choice, they'd take Pfizer or Moderna...pretty understandable. Pfizer and Moderna is still part of our vaccination roll out, so I'm curious how those two are going to be distributed going forward.

Stark · 29-01-2021 07:25PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

Absolutely. My elderly mother has got sucked into only reading the news headlines on efficacy percentages and not understanding that these vaccines firstly will largely prevent death and serious illness to end this pandemic, she is now saying she would refuse the AZ vaccine if offered tough to hear it

Yeah my dad was saying the same.

One positive is all the anti-vaxxer crap like "oh it's new technology, never been tested in humans before" , "oh it's RNA so it rewrites your DNA" etc. isn't seeping through to people. People are seeing things like "95% effective", hearing that it passed the strict EMA checks with flying colours and saying "I want that one".

franciscanpunk · 29-01-2021 07:30PM

I would have thought the Russians would concentrate on their own vaccine roll out first but if they have production capacity the want to sell that's great

iamwhoiam · 29-01-2021 07:31PM

Cole wrote: »

My parents would still take AZ if that's what they're offered, but if they had a choice, they'd take Pfizer or Moderna...pretty understandable. Pfizer and Moderna is still part of our vaccination roll out, so I'm curious how those two are going to be distributed going forward.

I would do the same , I will take whats offered but would much prefer to get the Pfizer .
I think they could open big vaccination centres and if over 70 can make their way there it could be done . There are many over 70 who could drive to a centre for a Pfizer

Stark · 29-01-2021 07:32PM

franciscanpunk wrote: »

I would have thought the Russians would concentrate on their own vaccine roll out first but if they have production capacity the want to sell that's great

Their main reason for seeking EMA approval is to be able to manufacture in Europe afaik.

franciscanpunk · 29-01-2021 07:33PM

we are probably a long way off from an a la carte pick your vaccine supplier just yet, we only have vaccinated about 3% of the populatuon most of them have only had one dose!

Water John · 29-01-2021 07:45PM

Stark wrote: »

Their main reason for seeking EMA approval is to be able to manufacture in Europe afaik.

Do you mean EU? Since the Russia is already part of Europe.

Drexel_3 · 29-01-2021 07:51PM

The more available the better I think. Once we have enough supply there will be a choice. Eventually I'd say people will be given a certain type based on their ages, other conditions ect

Cork2021 · 29-01-2021 07:56PM

You’d assume if Sputnik was given approval it would be eastern bloc countries taking a good shot of what is available.. maybe frees up more of the AstraZeneca vaccine for Western Europe?

XsApollo · 29-01-2021 07:59PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

You’d assume if Sputnik was given approval it would be eastern bloc countries taking a good shot of what is available.. maybe frees up more of the AstraZeneca vaccine for Western Europe?

Why would you assume that?

Water John · 29-01-2021 08:00PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

You’d assume if Sputnik was given approval it would be eastern bloc countries taking a good shot of what is available.. maybe frees up more of the AstraZeneca vaccine for Western Europe?

Might be the opposite, some Eastern Europeans living here say they wouldn't touch a Russian vaccine. That might be unfair but as a result of their historical experience.

Cork2021 · 29-01-2021 08:02PM

XsApollo wrote: »

Why would you assume that?

Closer ties with Russia...

XsApollo · 29-01-2021 08:04PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

Closer ties with Russia...

Who has closer ties with Russia?

Which countries in Europe have closer ties with Russia than Europe?
It’s the opposite.
I don’t think it would go down well giving the lads in the east the Sputnik while we all gorge on Pfizer and moderna.

St.Spodo · 29-01-2021 08:06PM

Vudgie wrote: »

Can someone explain the efficacy numbers for the J&J jab, to an absolute novice they appear to be rather underwhelming or am I wrong, I thought given their expertise they would have achieved better numbers.

The thing that jumped out at me which you may or may not have seen is that it has a 100% efficacy rate in preventing hospitalizations. This is obviously fantastic as it will prevent the worst outcomes, prevent our healthcare system from becoming overwhelmed and more often than not prevents people from getting sick with moderate symptoms too.

snotboogie · 29-01-2021 08:16PM

St.Spodo wrote: »

The thing that jumped out at me which you may or may not have seen is that it has a 100% efficacy rate in preventing hospitalizations. This is obviously fantastic as it will prevent the worst outcomes, prevent our healthcare system from becoming overwhelmed and more often than not prevents people from getting sick with moderate symptoms too.

Also 15% of the J&J trial was done in South Africa where nearly all cases were of the new varient. This seems to have drove down the results, as does the LATAM trial which was impacted by the Brazil varient. The breakdown was 72% efficacy in the US 66% efficacy in LATAM and 57% in South Africa.

mean gene · 29-01-2021 08:21PM

JnJs efficacy rate is savage for a one shot -strategy from them was get as many people done on the 1 shot before they looked at the 2 shot they can get millions vaccinated before they bring in the 2 shot system saving millions of lifes

Malcomex · 29-01-2021 08:59PM

franciscanpunk wrote: »

I would have thought the Russians would concentrate on their own vaccine roll out first but if they have production capacity the want to sell that's great

There'd be a bit of flag waving there too

The Russians coming to rescue of the western Europeans

Marhay70 · 29-01-2021 09:07PM

XsApollo wrote: »

Who has closer ties with Russia?

Which countries in Europe have closer ties with Russia than Europe?
It’s the opposite.
I don’t think it would go down well giving the lads in the east the Sputnik while we all gorge on Pfizer and moderna.

Be like taking Novichok to a lot of them.

titan18 · 29-01-2021 09:19PM

If it works, why not. I'd imagine some would have reservations but a lot won't care. Hungary had already approved it by themselves

Ohmeha · 29-01-2021 09:33PM

Cole wrote: »

My parents would still take AZ if that's what they're offered, but if they had a choice, they'd take Pfizer or Moderna...pretty understandable. Pfizer and Moderna is still part of our vaccination roll out, so I'm curious how those two are going to be distributed going forward.

Government, HSE and media need to up their game now on the educational aspect of these vaccines and how the government plan to select who receives which the 3 approved vaccines and hopefully more in the months ahead. It's a worry when people like my mother (who obviously won't listen to me!) are suddenly turning apprehensive & fearful at the beginning of the rollout process thinking they should have a choice of vaccine and incorrectly believing that AZ 65% effacacy means 35% won't at all be protected from death/serious illness

Vicxas · 29-01-2021 09:33PM

Moderna are now dropping their supply figures for February for most EU countries.

Why are they walking all over the EU?

Itsaduck1 · 29-01-2021 09:38PM

Has anywhere vaccinated all its citizens?

Small Islands or anything?

Or is it just Israel anywhere close?

Be interesting to know what life awaits us, pity Isle Of Man or something similar sized wasnt given vaccines

stephenjmcd · 29-01-2021 09:41PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Moderna are now dropping their supply figures for February for most EU countries.

Why are they walking all over the EU?

Well they aren't "walking all over the EU". Canada is after getting roughly 25% cut, likewise with France and Italy so it looks unilateral

They only send about 6,000 doses here every few weeks at the moment so it's not big numbers currently coming in

titan18 · 29-01-2021 09:53PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well they aren't "walking all over the EU". Canada is after getting roughly 25% cut, likewise with France and Italy so it looks unilateral

They only send about 6,000 doses here every few weeks at the moment so it's not big numbers currently coming in

Everyone bar the US got cut I think

Dickie10 · 29-01-2021 10:21PM

Looks , like this could well be our last ever lockdown? we beter enjoy these few weeks at level 5 , cause when we get to June its pretty much all over.

Cork2021 · 29-01-2021 10:28PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

Looks , like this could well be our last ever lockdown? we beter enjoy these few weeks at level 5 , cause when we get to June its pretty much all over.

Stockholm syndrome will be the next pandemic

JTMan · 29-01-2021 10:31PM

More on vaccinations for kids ...

Fauci sees vaccination for kids by late spring or the summer. The next step, involves testing in children down to 12 years old, and if that’s successful it’s followed by another round of testing down to those 9 years old ...

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-anthony-fauci-coronavirus-pandemic-infectious-diseases-coronavirus-vaccine-47af1ca6b75a2cedaac7923b7b084404

Apogee · 29-01-2021 10:36PM

salmocab wrote: »

Right I know this is cheeky but could someone possibly do a list of approved vaccine and the expected deliveries of them for the next 6 months and a list of the expected ones and the suggested delivery numbers and when they are expected to be rolled out. I understand that everything is subject to many factors but as things stand. I know the information is probably in here in bits and pieces but it would be nice to see it all in one place. I would appreciate it and I’m sure others would too.

I'm not sure if it's possible to give a reliable estimate that far into future, but Brian McCraith suggested 1.1 million vaccines by end of March in testimony earlier today:

Irish Independent wrote:

Brian MacCraith, head of the vaccine taskforce, said that it was expected Ireland would have 1.4 million vaccines by the end of March, enough to vaccinate 700,000 people. But that will now be reduced to 1.1 million because the expected volume of supplies of the AstraZeneca vaccine will not materialise, the Oireachtas health committee was told.

It is expected that 190,000 doses of Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine will be delivered in February and 95,000 in March.

The committee was told that over-70s will be contacted by their GPs when their vaccine is ready.It would rely heavily on the systems GPs already have in place for calling people for the flu vaccine.

The hope is that once the over-70s are vaccinated that a portal will be open to the public to register for a vaccine with other information such as side-effects.

There are hopes that the one-shot Johnson and Johnson vaccine may be approved in April and that could lead to a large jump in vaccine availability.

1.1 million doses would mean almost everyone 65+ would be fully vaccinated (2 doses each) by end of March?

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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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