Walk slowly in the opposite direction......they will catch up

blue5000 · 28-01-2021 02:14PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Ye, I thought the same when a friend who put one in was telling me. But the whole thing is so well balanced and turns so slowly that it is all that it takes

I think they float on water?

Bass Reeves · 28-01-2021 02:48PM

blue5000 wrote: »

I think they float on water?

I am not sure anybody would chance that with 30 ton of dairy cows on it

Mooooo · 28-01-2021 03:12PM

Some do I think but most are on wheels now afaik. Grasstec had a video on a boumatic one put in and showed a bit of the running gear side.
Would love to put one in but part of affording it would be making the savings on labour and that means more extras on em and that drives the cost skyward

davidk1394 · 28-01-2021 03:18PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Some do I think but most are on wheels now afaik. Grasstec had a video on a boumatic one put in and showed a bit of the running gear side.
Would love to put one in but part of affording it would be making the savings on labour and that means more extras on em and that drives the cost skyward

Depending on what spec they run on plastic or steel wheels. When I was in oz an old alfa rotary came off the track with 50 cows on it. Had to slowly turn it using straps and booming in and out a teleporter.

Gawddawggonnit · 28-01-2021 03:47PM

blue5000 wrote: »

I think they float on water?

I know a guy that has one that floats on water. Even though I’ve been in his yard several times I’ve no idea about make etc. Those things don’t interest me. He’s sitting in an area that sees regular seismic activity, maybe that’s why he got that one.

Gawddawggonnit · 28-01-2021 03:54PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

It takes something like 2hp to actually turn the rotary, very little extra energy in the scheme of things

A man I know lost his job in 2010 and was at a loose end. He asked me could I source 2nd hand gennies for him to import and sell on. I sourced 6 from 35kva to 135kva and sent them over. I didn’t get paid for 5 or 6yrs because he’d an awful job to sell them because farmers wouldn’t buy them without a grant! (Well that was his explanation anyhow!).

yosemitesam1 · 28-01-2021 05:04PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

A man I know lost his job in 2010 and was at a loose end. He asked me could I source 2nd hand gennies for him to import and sell on. I sourced 6 from 35kva to 135kva and sent them over. I didn’t get paid for 5 or 6yrs because he’d an awful job to sell them because farmers wouldn’t buy them without a grant! (Well that was his explanation anyhow!).

The lad I know with the rotary put it in before quotas went. I think he enjoyed the whole process of buying it more than anything else!

Castlekeeper · 29-01-2021 12:07PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

The lad I know with the rotary put it in before quotas went. I think he enjoyed the whole process of buying it more than anything else!

Farmers are as prone to retail therapy as anyone, it's just that some of the toys are expensive!

Mad_maxx · 29-01-2021 12:21PM

while not a farmer , i did work on a large dairy farm in New Zealand twenty years ago as it was a good way of earning money during a working holiday

i was a herd assistant and worked in the milking shed for four months , six hundred cows , not saying i learned everything or close to it but i made observations none the less

unless the notion of irish dairying hitting the rocks is down to european policy re_ enviromental regs ? , i would not be too concerned as where ireland is today ( large expansion ) , New Zealand was more than twenty years ago

New Zealand has not suffered since then from what i gather so i dont see why irish dairying will either , the efficient guys who know how to manage costs like any other business will thrive , the biggest difference between Ireland and New Zealand from what ive observed is people in New Zealand who often have a backround in completely different sectors , often decide to enter dairying , they bring their experience with them , i suppose thats far less likely to happen here for cultural reasons and the fact that share milking does not exist here but who knows what the future holds and necessity is the mother of all invention as they say ?

doubt the irish government comes down too hard on dairying regardless of what europe says , FG and FF know how important the rural agri vote is and politicians dont ignore votes

awaywithyou · 29-01-2021 03:54PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Technically yes but it will take s fair belter of a generator to move a rotary parlour around. It's would be a fairly heavy three phase generator. I not b surprise if such a generator costs 50k plus

not sure what planet u are inhabiting my friend... 44unit rotary here and i just checked there we have a 75KVA generator.... i think it was 6/7k its a few years ago now.... rotaries arent that hard to turn.... there not supposed to be

Mooooo · 29-01-2021 04:06PM

awaywithyou wrote: »

not sure what planet u are inhabiting my friend... 44unit rotary here and i just checked there we have a 75KVA generator.... i think it was 6/7k its a few years ago now.... rotaries arent that hard to turn.... there not supposed to be

How ye getting one with the parlour? Realisticly a one person milking operation? Does it take ye long from cups on to fully washed up?

blackbox · 30-01-2021 11:01AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

i would fear dairy goes the same way as beef , whats to stop another Larry in Dairy buying up a few coops and dairies? i see Kerry selling off shares last week, if these are bought by investment groups surely there sole mission is profit and so cut away at milk price once the supply lines are there lads can turn off the tap they are locked in. Would they just keep prices steady and start chipping away at it then. ? what is there to stop this happening?

Farmers don't have to sell their coops.

Bass Reeves · 30-01-2021 11:01AM

The door is starting to close

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/mcconalogue-gives-little-away-on-topic-of-capping-herds-amid-dairy-expansion-question/

patsy_mccabe · 30-01-2021 11:09AM

From an engineering perspective, if a rotary parlour is perfectly balanced and the bearings are perfect, then no energy is needed to turn the thing. In practice only power needed would be to overcome friction.

Mad_maxx · 30-01-2021 11:28AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The door is starting to close

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/mcconalogue-gives-little-away-on-topic-of-capping-herds-amid-dairy-expansion-question/

Sending nice sounds to the environmental lobby, same kind of thing happens with aviation etc

Nothing happens in practice

I live fairly near a bog which is protected and people aren't supposed to cut turf on , in reality , even the guards merely go through the motions and ignore those who cut

Mad_maxx · 30-01-2021 12:36PM

Jjameson wrote: »

And rightly so. It’s traditional, cultural and good logical swop to a bag o columbian that was brought here with diesel fuel.

oh i wasnt having a go , i take turf off the same bog myself

came with the house

tanko · 30-01-2021 02:32PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The door is starting to close

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/mcconalogue-gives-little-away-on-topic-of-capping-herds-amid-dairy-expansion-question/

That article doesn't say anything, it's just a load of waffle.

patsy_mccabe · 30-01-2021 02:35PM

Ireland has the lowest emissions in Europe when it comes to dairying. Why would you restrict dairying in Ireland and increase it somewhere else where the carbon footprint is higher.

Grueller · 30-01-2021 02:43PM

Look, it will come down to whether you have the land available or not. I have 55ish hectares owned. Build a summer parlour on the outfarm and all of that is a grazing platform.
55 x 3.5 (mooted stocking rate per ha on grazing platform) = 192.5 cows.
A savage amount of dairy farms around here have significant out farms. The boom would continue for parlour manufacturers.

awaywithyou · 30-01-2021 02:50PM

Mooooo wrote: »

How ye getting one with the parlour? Realisticly a one person milking operation? Does it take ye long from cups on to fully washed up?

gwetting on very good... milking nearly 6 years now.... not one person as second person required for teat spraying.... must get around to putting in the TSR by delaval... then it will be one person no problem.... about an hr and a half to get it all done.... very easy milk heifers on it... cows really enjoy the spin around.... most important part of the whole machine is the track and rollers... the rest of it is the same as a herringbone.... Track and rollers have to be spot on... we were able to spin ours manually when it was ready to go.... as another poster has said.. the hardest part is getting it turning.. once it starts to move it requires little enuf energy even with 44cows up on it

Tonynewholland · 30-01-2021 03:07PM

tanko wrote: »

That article doesn't say anything, it's just a load of waffle.

The government have been putting plenty money into dairy here anyone who thinks they will pull the rug from under farmers now are living in dream land.
Exporting slurry to tillage areas and a few weeks extra storage probably will be implemented at some point

Siamsa Sessions · 30-01-2021 03:18PM

Tonynewholland wrote: »

The government have been putting plenty money into dairy here anyone who thinks they will pull the rug from under farmers now are living in dream land.
Exporting slurry to tillage areas and a few weeks extra storage probably will be implemented at some point

We could very well see wink-wink-nudge-nudge “restrictions” coming in. It’ll be more paperwork and stress for lads but as you said, given how much the Government have invested in TAMS and in supporting Teagasc’s dairy work, then that same Government will not want to reduce dairy exports or the revenue it generates.

There might be lots of huffing and puffing, and shaking their heads at water quality issues, but once the lip service has been paid and they’re behind their own closed doors again, the Government will just shrug their shoulders.

K.G. · 30-01-2021 04:03PM

Could we see a day where it would be an offence to have to high fertility in soil samples

yosemitesam1 · 30-01-2021 04:10PM

K.G. wrote: »

Could we see a day where it would be an offence to have to high fertility in soil samples

The problem there is that soil samples aren't actually anywhere near perfect and could in a lot of cases be questioned. But they would be fine for imposing fertiliser limits

Say my name · 30-01-2021 04:46PM

K.G. wrote: »

Could we see a day where it would be an offence to have to high fertility in soil samples

I'd hope not. Some of the top regenerative farmers have soil humming along of it's own accord producing it's own nitrogen (and phosphorus).
How do you penalize those for going to that extent to get their soils in that order when all they did was maintain output while reducing input and capturing more soil carbon?
Comparing those to those that rely on everything from the bag and bought in would be like comparing apples to oranges.

Even natural soil types. I'm high in potash. Not from the bag.
Someone in east Wicklow would be high in phosphorus. Not from the bag either.

The only thing missing is understanding natural soil nitrogen. Which is sorely missing in this country.
Deliberately I'm guessing.

Birdnuts · 30-01-2021 06:26PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ireland has the lowest emissions in Europe when it comes to dairying. Why would you restrict dairying in Ireland and increase it somewhere else where the carbon footprint is higher.

Needs to clean up its act on water quality and related issues though. If it gets tagged with the "Dirty Dairy" rep like the NZ industry, it will be very hard to recover that reputation and may even compromise sales into certain markets

Birdnuts · 30-01-2021 06:34PM

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

We could very well see wink-wink-nudge-nudge “restrictions” coming in. It’ll be more paperwork and stress for lads but as you said, given how much the Government have invested in TAMS and in supporting Teagasc’s dairy work, then that same Government will not want to reduce dairy exports or the revenue it generates.

There might be lots of huffing and puffing, and shaking their heads at water quality issues, but once the lip service has been paid and they’re behind their own closed doors again, the Government will just shrug their shoulders.

Yes - But they can only BS and Bluster for so long until the EU takes a case and they end with up their hand being forced on the issue like what happened in Holland a while back.

wrangler · 30-01-2021 06:47PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

Yes - But they can only BS and Bluster for so long until the EU takes a case and they end with up their hand being forced on the issue like what happened in Holland a while back.

We're a long way off hollands problems,
When they force the towns and cities to tidy their act and force Bord na mona to take the 10ft of peat outa the shannon,........ then farmers should worry.

charolais0153 · 30-01-2021 06:52PM

wrangler wrote: »

We're a long way off hollands problems,
When they force the towns and cities to tidy their act and force Bord na mona to take the 10ft of peat outa the shannon,........ then farmers should worry.

Farmers a lot easier to police

dh1985 · 30-01-2021 07:29PM

I seen on the news during the week that carbon emissions had dropped by 6% last year. This was a year when large parts of the economy were shut from March to June,.no school travel from march, significant numbers working from home, electricity generation ceasing using peat power etc. The target was 7% under some of the climate agreements I think. And 7% this year and next and so on. If farmers think they are getting away with the nod and wink they are in for a rude awakening. All sectors of the economy will come under pressure. And as that article alluded getting more efficient and still increasing numbers wont cut it

Walk slowly in the opposite direction......they will catch up

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