COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

stephenjmcd · 26-01-2021 10:49AM

Someone's getting the sack for this....

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1353999453028577280?s=19

funnydoggy · 26-01-2021 10:51AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Someone's getting the sack for this....

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1353999453028577280?s=19

Did they get a 1st year computer science student to code a translator? :pac:

Cork2021 · 26-01-2021 10:52AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Someone's getting the sack for this....

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1353999453028577280?s=19

What an absolute shît show!!

Turtwig · 26-01-2021 10:52AM

Have they denied the part about over 65s approval?

dominatinMC · 26-01-2021 10:52AM

Hardyn wrote: »

https://twitter.com/florian_krammer/status/1353900984209182720?s=19

Florian Krammer gives a decent summary on where we are with variants and vaccines and what it all means. Well worth a read.

Brilliant thread and just the antidote to some of the rubbish spouted on here and elsewhere.

josip · 26-01-2021 10:57AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Did they get a 1st year computer science student to program a translator? :pac:

They'll probably be able to make a reasonable case that the AZ results were so badly presented it was difficult to work out which number was which.
Anyone home schooling primary school maths would already be familiar with this concept,

"Write neatly, there's no point having the correct answer if the teacher can't read it"

lbj666 · 26-01-2021 10:58AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Someone's getting the sack for this....

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1353999453028577280?s=19

The confidence interval explanation based on a small sample is more plausible. But as said you could have an interval that would bring it down to 8% worst case, but based on the data for younger people and vulnerable groups under 55 , the likehood is that it is in the upper end of that interval. Thats how UK made the recommendation and understanding since it is an emergency, its best get older groups vacinated with a jab there are slight doubts over efficacy, rather than wait 3 months for enough pfizer to come in.

Micky 32 · 26-01-2021 11:00AM

mandrake04 wrote: »

hilarious eh?

Sure... People said last August there would be no more lockdowns and there has been 2 since, they said it was hilarious talking about another lockdown.

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You can’t compare lockdown predictions pre vaccinated vs a post vaccinated world.

26-01-2021 11:12AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Great thread, as always from Florian Krammer, though I feel twitter may not be the absolute best platform when your thread has 44 tweets.

In summary - dont worry about the British variant, SA and Brazil may be of more concern, mRNA vaccines willstill perform well at least. If the British variant is the more transmissible variant -efforts should be on suppressing the others, as the less impactful to immune response British variant will out compete.

And get some Blaufränkisch

D.Q · 26-01-2021 11:16AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Someone's getting the sack for this....

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1353999453028577280?s=19

That journalist needs to go.

Muddying the waters like that is irresponsible and reckless, all in the name of clicks.

Azatadine · 26-01-2021 11:17AM

You would wonder if AZ have grounds to sue the paper?

Tyrone212 · 26-01-2021 11:18AM

Second part to Alex Wickham tweet

"The Handelsblatt guy has obvs had a mare but it doesn't take away from the fact that German government officials have been briefing against the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine amid EU rollout problems... pretty shocking for UK-EU relations... imagine if the shoe were on the other foot."

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mandrake04 · 26-01-2021 11:18AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

You can’t compare lockdown predictions pre vaccinated vs a post vaccinated world.

Very True Micky, but not everyone is vaccinated yet and wont be for several months. Until then I think restrictions will stay.. I don't think they will jump from L5 to L2 straight away too much of a risk.

But if the vaccinations timeline stays on track and nothing goes wrong the real test will be October onwards... you have to assume they will still be softly softly at that stage. Really who would want to risk another January 2021?

I think the government has been badly bitten this time, they will be more cautious in the future.

lbj666 · 26-01-2021 11:19AM

Turtwig wrote: »

Have they denied the part about over 65s approval?

We'll see tomorrow but No smoke without fire on that bit unfortunately. There have been concerns of the sample size in the trials. Something must have egged the german rag newspapers to look into and try find something.

is_that_so · 26-01-2021 11:19AM

Azatadine wrote: »

You would wonder if AZ have grounds to sue the paper?

They might be better to keep their head down and get making vaccines. It's an error, a monumentally stupid one but not malicious. The timing of it makes it seem a whole lot worse.

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 26-01-2021 11:25AM

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Second part to Alex Wickham tweet

"The Handelsblatt guy has obvs had a mare but it doesn't take away from the fact that German government officials have been briefing against the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine amid EU rollout problems... pretty shocking for UK-EU relations... imagine if the shoe were on the other foot."

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Oh dear. It's quite apt that the EMA is based in the Netherlands considering the amount of windmilling the EU have been doing over the past 24 hrs.

Baggly · 26-01-2021 11:28AM

Mod

Can we please all ensure we stay on topic in this thread. That topic being Vaccine and testing procedures and not how long the government stays in power. Thank you.

Cork2021 · 26-01-2021 11:42AM

This will be interesting later on. Also you’d think the Irish government would have some insight into what the EMA are going to do especially with the head of it Irish.....

https://twitter.com/ema_news/status/1354016229686534144?s=21

josip · 26-01-2021 11:59AM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Very True Micky, but not everyone is vaccinated yet and wont be for several months. Until then I think restrictions will stay.. I don't think they will jump from L5 to L2 straight away too much of a risk.

But if the vaccinations timeline stays on track and nothing goes wrong the real test will be October onwards... you have to assume they will still be softly softly at that stage. Really who would want to risk another January 2021?

I think the government has been badly bitten this time, they will be more cautious in the future.

Come October, the EU will be knee deep in vaccines.
Every EU country will have 60% of their population vaccinated by then and will be on course to have at least 80% of their populations vaccinated by the end of the year.
There will only be restrictions for Christmas if we have moved to some kind of Orwellian dystopia, which most would be against.

mandrake04 · 26-01-2021 12:13PM

josip wrote: »

Come October, the EU will be knee deep in vaccines.
Every EU country will have 60% of their population vaccinated by then and will be on course to have at least 80% of their populations vaccinated by the end of the year.
There will only be restrictions for Christmas if we have moved to some kind of Orwellian dystopia, which most would be against.

Maybe in theory, but even though 60-80% vaccinated by then.... vaccines still untested in the real world. Christmas/winter being the ultimate test you think they just going let it rip?

come on you have to be realistic!!

is_that_so · 26-01-2021 12:18PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Maybe in theory, but even though 60-80% vaccinated by then.... vaccines still untested in the real world. Christmas/winter being the ultimate test you think they just going let it rip?

come on you have to be realistic!!

Actually it will, via Israel's data. This thing is not Ebola or Marburg. We don't actually need it to see it disappear, just get to where it's little more than a cold.

Cork2021 · 26-01-2021 12:36PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Actually it will, via Israel's data. This thing is not Ebola or Marburg. We don't actually need it to see it disappear, just get to where it's little more than a cold.

Exactly,
It’ll become endemic like the common cold and flu! Vaccines will work and we will have a full AVIVA! before years end!!

Water John · 26-01-2021 12:46PM

I presume we're one hour behind CET?

VG31 · 26-01-2021 12:48PM

Water John wrote: »

I presume we're one hour behind CET?

Yes

ACitizenErased · 26-01-2021 12:54PM

Just from the thread posted here by someone else earlier, this is a v important tweet:
https://twitter.com/florian_krammer/status/1353918609815445504?s=20

funnydoggy · 26-01-2021 01:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Just from the thread posted here by someone else earlier, this is a v important tweet:
https://twitter.com/florian_krammer/status/1353918609815445504?s=20

Charles Babbage · 26-01-2021 01:13PM

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Some people are just consistently negative for no good reason. Get a thrill from it. Kind of fascinating to see how some minds work in times like these.

Moderna have said the antibody response will still be enough to provide protection and they are already developing a second generation shot as a booster, even if they don’t need it.

I wonder how long would it take to get a recalibrated version approved? Most people won't be vaccinated until May/June, might this group get a version of a Moderna or Pfizer vaccine informed by the strains that emerge in January?

Cork2021 · 26-01-2021 01:22PM

Good news coming very soon!!

https://twitter.com/coronavirusgoo1/status/1354041563035422720?s=21

nommm · 26-01-2021 01:25PM

https://twitter.com/megtirrell/status/1354041623420809217?s=21

Also seen we can expect enough to vaccinate 2’000’000 people by the end of e year using j&j,

ACitizenErased · 26-01-2021 01:31PM

Fantastic news, one shot vaccine would be incredible

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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