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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #9662
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    This may have been asked earlier so apologies if it has...
    Why are they looking at only 5 days quarantine for travellers without a PCR test,when it’s 14 days elsewhere -and people here without symptoms but possibly close contacts have to isolate for 14 days....would the 5 days not be just a monumental waste of time and money (if they actually want to catch people who may be “brewing “ the virus)???


  • #9663
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,048 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Account by FT journalist of his experience with covid. Worth reading.

    https://www.ft.com/content/2b0dbba3-6fe8-4c2d-8cca-90e87261d436


  • #9664
    thecretinhop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    stone de crows that video is unreal.
    I feel like an alien watching a different species...


  • #9665
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    fits wrote: »
    Account by FT journalist of his experience with covid. Worth reading.

    https://www.ft.com/content/2b0dbba3-6fe8-4c2d-8cca-90e87261d436

    Something of the narrative doesn't ring true, though I imagine he really couldn't recollect or reassemble as much as he thinks he might have done. The fact that he was put on a ventilator awake and was able to make a phone call with tubes down into his respiratory tract (ahead of being put under anaesthetic/deep sedation) doesn't ring true. Even if he had a tracheostomy the voice is so seriously compromised that conversation isn't possible. I know, I've spent 10 weeks by somebody's side on a trachy on ventilator and all communication was by pencil & paper as voice is bypassed. I'm being a bit pedantic here, though, he must have been on a NIV mask, and went in through the full hog on the ventilator. But I'd caution against taking the full account as a completely accurate narrative. Sobering nonetheless.


  • #9666
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    fits wrote: »
    Account by FT journalist of his experience with covid. Worth reading.

    https://www.ft.com/content/2b0dbba3-6fe8-4c2d-8cca-90e87261d436

    Well that's terrifying. I think it gets lost when people focus on death rates that even if you get it and survive it's a horrible illness.

    I have heard a lot of people say oh it's only old people who die and forgetting that it can be really awful if you get it.


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  • #9667
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    niallo27 wrote: »
    How the **** is it level 4, no schools, no construction, no non essential retail.

    As a side note ive noticed every other post of yours includes a curse or some form of anger. You really should learn to just respond to people without the passive aggressive nature. Life will be a lot better in the long run:)


  • #9668
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Well that's terrifying. I think it gets lost when people focus on death rates that even if you get it and survive it's a horrible illness.

    I have heard a lot of people say oh it's only old people who die and forgetting that it can be really awful if you get it.

    Quality of life after Covid seems to affect quite a high proportion. People are beginning to realise this . Deniers about Covid now looking very foolish. In the net year or so your going to hear alot more about the aftereffects of the virus.


  • #9669
    [Deleted User]
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    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Well that's terrifying. I think it gets lost when people focus on death rates that even if you get it and survive it's a horrible illness.

    I have heard a lot of people say oh it's only old people who die and forgetting that it can be really awful if you get it.

    Men are 44% more likely to get seriously ill and die, irrespective of other risks, according to Dr Ronx in a BBC documentary. It's missed out altogether in the general narrative that men are substantially more at risk than women.


  • #9670
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    brickster69 wrote: »
    No idea how this Brazil mutation started

    https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1353159294879981568

    That is frankly bonkers. :confused:


  • #9671
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,413 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Please feed the birds today.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • #9672
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Bit cynical wrote: »
    Longer video from Brazil here:





    Doesn't seem like they are scared by the looks of it. Deaths per million are roughly the same as the EU though there might be a bit of underreporting. Probably a fair amount of immunity among the younger population.

    You really wonder how it's possible for their death rate to be even close to the EU one. I guess a mix of under-reporting and being summer over there at the moment, but damn.


  • #9673
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Quality of life after Covid seems to affect quite a high proportion. People are beginning to realise this . Deniers about Covid now looking very foolish. In the net year or so your going to hear alot more about the aftereffects of the virus.

    Define high proportion?


  • #9674
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    You really wonder how it's possible for their death rate to be even close to the EU one. I guess a mix of under-reporting and being summer of there at the moment, but damn.

    I have never been but at a guess less obesity and a younger population would help.


  • #9675
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,752 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Define high proportion?

    Define affect?


  • #9676
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    I have never been but at a guess less obesity and a younger population would help.

    It's a good guess as any, but the difference between brazil and ireland (for example) is not that massive - ~25% people here are obese compared to ~22% there, and ~75% of the population here is below 54 years while there is ~81%.


  • #9677
    Lawrence Quick Lumber
    Posts: 0 ✭ Lawrence Quick Lumber


    Bit cynical wrote: »
    Longer video from Brazil here:





    Doesn't seem like they are scared by the looks of it. Deaths per million are roughly the same as the EU though there might be a bit of underreporting. Probably a fair amount of immunity among the younger population.

    Vibrant place, I was there shortly before this all started. Unfortunately people in Brazil are pretty much apathetic towards Covid and any health measure put in place are non enforceable due to the mass lack of compliance. The police are simply overrun. There is a lot to be said for strong controls on travel ASAP from Brazil to get ahead of this new varient.


  • #9678
    Qwertyminger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Qwertyminger


    Looks like a hole full of children who should be playing but instead are segregated by gender and trying to get laid. Scary what a rubbish education system can do to a population.


  • #9679
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,162 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Eamon Ryan spoofing away on radio. Sounds like they'll do the usual half arsed measures about travel until forced into doing it properly.


  • #9680
    Qwertyminger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Qwertyminger


    Like everyone he has a mother.


  • #9681
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Quality of life after Covid seems to affect quite a high proportion. People are beginning to realise this . Deniers about Covid now looking very foolish. In the net year or so your going to hear alot more about the aftereffects of the virus.

    At this stage 16 people in my immediate family have had Covid19.
    All have completely recovered, with no long Covid and no lasting issues. These people include my pregnant daughter, her 17 month old baby, two parents-in-law who are in their sixties and obese ,my 52 year old sister.......
    It also includes my brother who is 61 and his wife who works in Mullingar hospital and their 3 daughters. My brother and his wife were sicker for 3 days with bad headaches and aches.... but then recovered and are back at work now. The rest are younger in their twenties. So I guess you could say a very good cross section of people. ALL are perfectly well now and all said it was no worse than a heavy cold or the regular flu.

    I haven't known anyone yet who has got Covid badly. Maybe I am just lucky. But while you will read some very bad stories about people who are in hospital and on ventilation, the vast vast majority of people get over this at home and recover very quickly with no lasting effects.


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  • #9682
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Deleted User wrote: »
    At this stage 16 people in my immediate family have had Covid19.
    All have completely recovered, with no long Covid and no lasting issues. These people include my pregnant daughter, her 17 month old baby, two parents-in-law who are in their sixties and obese ,my 52 year old sister.......
    It also includes my brother who is 61 and his wife who works in Mullingar hospital and their 3 daughters. My brother and his wife were sicker for 3 days with bad headaches and aches.... but then recovered and are back at work now. The rest are younger in their twenties. So I guess you could say a very good cross section of people. ALL are perfectly well now and all said it was no worse than a heavy cold or the regular flu.

    I haven't known anyone yet who has got Covid badly. Maybe I am just lucky. But while you will read some very bad stories about people who are in hospital and on ventilation, the vast vast majority of people get over this at home and recover very quickly with no lasting effects.

    Majority seem to but even amongst the very healthy and fit like soccer players, majority have, but there have a minority like Lascelles and Allan Saint Maximim at Newcastle who have been out for a while. Saint-Maximim has missed nearly 2 months with it.

    I know of people myself who've lost a lot of weight when they got it and knocked them out for a good month or so from work.


  • #9683
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Define affect?

    I have no doubt that some people suffer with post viral syndrome after having Covid.... but like everything with this pandemic, the data just isn't there to define the % of people who do, how long for, severity of symptoms etc.

    I'd be very surprised if "long covid" impacted more than a tiny % of people. No doubt i'll be dismissed as a covid denier for that statement.

    I don't know many who have had Covid but none of those I know have had any lingering issues once it cleared up after a couple of weeks.


  • #9684
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Deleted User wrote: »
    At this stage 16 people in my immediate family have had Covid19.
    All have completely recovered, with no long Covid and no lasting issues. These people include my pregnant daughter, her 17 month old baby, two parents-in-law who are in their sixties and obese ,my 52 year old sister.......
    It also includes my brother who is 61 and his wife who works in Mullingar hospital and their 3 daughters. My brother and his wife were sicker for 3 days with bad headaches and aches.... but then recovered and are back at work now. The rest are younger in their twenties. So I guess you could say a very good cross section of people. ALL are perfectly well now and all said it was no worse than a heavy cold or the regular flu.

    I haven't known anyone yet who has got Covid badly. Maybe I am just lucky. But while you will read some very bad stories about people who are in hospital and on ventilation, the vast vast majority of people get over this at home and recover very quickly with no lasting effects.

    Glad to hear they all recovered but yes you and they are very very lucky. I know of several people who have died and one 41 year old who's life has been utterly ruined in terms of health outcomes after catching covid in April.


  • #9685
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Quality of life after Covid seems to affect quite a high proportion. People are beginning to realise this . Deniers about Covid now looking very foolish. In the net year or so your going to hear alot more about the aftereffects of the virus.

    With nearly 200k cases already and our love affair with doom and misery here, these long covid stories should be all over the media but they are far and few between. Why is that. Nobody is denying covid but the narrative of that if it doesn't kill you then long covid will get you is being overblown on here.


  • #9686
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    I have no doubt that some people suffer with post viral syndrome after having Covid.... but like everything with this pandemic, the data just isn't there to define the % of people who do, how long for, severity of symptoms etc.

    I'd be very surprised if "long covid" impacted more than a tiny % of people. No doubt i'll be dismissed as a covid denier for that statement.

    I don't know many who have had Covid but none of those I know have had any lingering issues once it cleared up after a couple of weeks.

    I doubt anyone would deny that the vast majority of people who get it will have relatively mild, few or no symptoms, that's pretty much a given at this stage. That said, in my own extended circle of acquaintances, I know one fit & healthy girl in her 20s who was hospitalised, and her mother only had a bit of a headache with it. My friends 17 year old son got it and it was a bad headache and very bad sore throat. Actually now that I think about it, of the maybe 15 people I know who got it, none of them had no symptoms at all. It so bloody random.

    The problem as I see it is the significant minority of people that will need hospitalisation. Even if that minority only ran at about 5%, its an awful lot of people looking for a very limited resource in this country. If we opened everything up I don't think there's much doubt the health system would collapse in short order.
    Plus the fact that its so contagious, along with pre or asymptomatic spread, would potentially lead to all sorts of workplaces having to shut.


  • #9687
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,162 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1353659242872496129


  • #9688
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,162 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Not sure if all arrivals here means arrivals from Northern Ireland and Ireland. Interesting to see if it affects policy here.

    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1353657496716660737


  • #9689
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Russman wrote: »
    I doubt anyone would deny that the vast majority of people who get it will have relatively mild, few or no symptoms, that's pretty much a given at this stage. That said, in my own extended circle of acquaintances, I know one fit & healthy girl in her 20s who was hospitalised, and her mother only had a bit of a headache with it. My friends 17 year old son got it and it was a bad headache and very bad sore throat. Actually now that I think about it, of the maybe 15 people I know who got it, none of them had no symptoms at all. It so bloody random.

    The problem as I see it is the significant minority of people that will need hospitalisation. Even if that minority only ran at about 5%, its an awful lot of people looking for a very limited resource in this country. If we opened everything up I don't think there's much doubt the health system would collapse in short order.
    Plus the fact that its so contagious, along with pre or asymptomatic spread, would potentially lead to all sorts of workplaces having to shut.

    Completely agree that we'd have huge issues if we "let it rip". My concern is the amount of disinformation. Some people have been convinced / convinced themselves that if you don't end up in hospital or god forbid die from it, that your chances of having long term health problems are high. It's simply untrue and it does nobody any good to have unfounded concerns like this playing on people's minds.


  • #9690
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,752 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Completely agree that we'd have huge issues if we "let it rip". My concern is the amount of disinformation. Some people have been convinced / convinced themselves that if you don't end up in hospital or god forbid die from it, that your chances of having long term health problems are high. It's simply untrue and it does nobody any good to have unfounded concerns like this playing on people's minds.

    yeah - if it doesn't get you one way it'll get you another way


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  • #9691
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Russman wrote: »
    I doubt anyone would deny that the vast majority of people who get it will have relatively mild, few or no symptoms, that's pretty much a given at this stage. That said, in my own extended circle of acquaintances, I know one fit & healthy girl in her 20s who was hospitalised, and her mother only had a bit of a headache with it. My friends 17 year old son got it and it was a bad headache and very bad sore throat. Actually now that I think about it, of the maybe 15 people I know who got it, none of them had no symptoms at all. It so bloody random.

    The problem as I see it is the significant minority of people that will need hospitalisation. Even if that minority only ran at about 5%, its an awful lot of people looking for a very limited resource in this country. If we opened everything up I don't think there's much doubt the health system would collapse in short order.
    Plus the fact that its so contagious, along with pre or asymptomatic spread, would potentially lead to all sorts of workplaces having to shut.

    And that was the goal (and still is, I think) all along - flatten the curve so that hospitals don't get overwhelmed. It does get forgotten from time to time.

    You don't have to guess the % of hospitalization, the HSE publish this data every two weeks.
    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_report_20210124_Website.pdf
    You can see the average % of hospitalization/ICU of the whole country on the first page, and an age breakdown on page 8.


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