Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

Arduach wrote: »

Very sad deaths daily, RIP to all. You're a number online or in the news but mean a lot to your family and friends.

The case numbers are declining well, very good to see. They determine hospitalisations, ICU numbers and deaths over the next 28 days.

One worry I have regarding continued reduction at the same rate is the opening of schools.

I dislike the whole 'sides' thing that has long developed on the thread. I think it's a result of fatigue from this thing and stress. At the end of the day 99% of us want to return to the way we lived pre covid as soon as it is safe to do so. Some good contributions across the board here. Though somedays I can't read the thread as it just gets too heavy and isn't good for mental health.

You really think it's that high, I would say a good 20% of people would be perfectly happy to live with these restrictions taking off deaths and hospitalizations.

niallo27 wrote: »

You really think it's that high, I would say a good 20% of people would be perfectly happy to live with these restrictions taking off deaths and hospitalizations.

Thats the anger talking, I doubt you really think that in a calm state. Vast majority finding it very hard and want this to end People obviously cope in different. Some just ignore the news , others post online and like to stay informed etc. Personally I'm angry with the government and but we seem to just accept illogical decision they make. The media have went ver easy on them while the public are blamed for lack of social distancing

I got to thinking today about how people might actually be catching this virus?

The media often try to portray the virus as the most transmissible thing ever. Since this all started I have heard how easy it is to catch it.

Now we as a family have followed the guidelines closely and tended to stay away from relatives when the restriction level told us to. But I was still out at work until end of April 2020. My OH teaches and has been in school when they were open. I shop maybe twice a week, and have been in local stores on maybe another couple of days each week.

Yet since March last year not a single person in my our entire family circle, parents, siblings, in-laws, kids, etc has had any symptoms that necessitated a test. And thats a fair few people, who have also all been out and about too. And outside of the family, I don't know many of my work colleagues or friends who have tested positive.

So I as wondering if you do the basics are you generally relatively safe from it? It would appear so.
Are all those people catching it now simply not following the simple rules properly?
Surely they can't all be just unlucky?

NIMAN wrote: »

I got to thinking today about how people might actually be catching this virus?

The media often try to portray the virus as the most transmissible thing ever. Since this all started I have heard how easy it is to catch it.

Now we as a family have followed the guidelines closely and tended to stay away from relatives when the restriction level told us to. But I was still out at work until end of April 2020. My OH teaches and has been in school when they were open. I shop maybe twice a week, and have been in local stores on maybe another couple of days each week.

Yet since March last year not a single person in my our entire family circle, parents, siblings, in-laws, kids, etc has had any symptoms that necessitated a test. And thats a fair few people, who have also all been out and about too. And outside of the family, I don't know many of my work colleagues or friends who have tested positive.

So I as wondering if you do the basics are you generally relatively safe from it? It would appear so.
Are all those people catching it now simply not following the simple rules properly?
Surely they can't all be just unlucky?

Often wonder the same myself NIMAN.

My OH manages a grocery store so she has been out working throughout too. We haven't had any illnesses at all in the last year in our house.

Only one person in my family has caught it so far, my brother, he ignored restrictions in November and visited a friend's house to hang out.

NIMAN wrote: »

I got to thinking today about how people might actually be catching this virus?

The media often try to portray the virus as the most transmissible thing ever. Since this all started I have heard how easy it is to catch it.

Now we as a family have followed the guidelines closely and tended to stay away from relatives when the restriction level told us to. But I was still out at work until end of April 2020. My OH teaches and has been in school when they were open. I shop maybe twice a week, and have been in local stores on maybe another couple of days each week.

Yet since March last year not a single person in my our entire family circle, parents, siblings, in-laws, kids, etc has had any symptoms that necessitated a test. And thats a fair few people, who have also all been out and about too. And outside of the family, I don't know many of my work colleagues or friends who have tested positive.

So I as wondering if you do the basics are you generally relatively safe from it? It would appear so.
Are all those people catching it now simply not following the simple rules properly?
Surely they can't all be just unlucky?

I think its very wrong to victim blame and presume they did something wrong . There are so many who got Covid while in hospital , in care homes for a start
People who got infected in work and unknowingly passed it on , people who met one person who was unaware they were positive and caught it
People who caught it from a relative who visited to help them and unknowingly carried the virus

NIMAN wrote: »

I got to thinking today about how people might actually be catching this virus?

The media often try to portray the virus as the most transmissible thing ever. Since this all started I have heard how easy it is to catch it.

Now we as a family have followed the guidelines closely and tended to stay away from relatives when the restriction level told us to. But I was still out at work until end of April 2020. My OH teaches and has been in school when they were open. I shop maybe twice a week, and have been in local stores on maybe another couple of days each week.

Yet since March last year not a single person in my our entire family circle, parents, siblings, in-laws, kids, etc has had any symptoms that necessitated a test. And thats a fair few people, who have also all been out and about too. And outside of the family, I don't know many of my work colleagues or friends who have tested positive.

So I as wondering if you do the basics are you generally relatively safe from it? It would appear so.
Are all those people catching it now simply not following the simple rules properly?
Surely they can't all be just unlucky?

I think it’s just one of those things and wouldn’t read too much into it tbh. Maybe there’s lots of clusters and that has something to do with it. Back in March/April I didn’t know anyone who caught it or even anyone who knew anyone that caught it. I knew one person in the autumn surge that caught it. However in the last month I could probably name at least 15 people I know with it. Two work colleagues (separately) since Christmas got it, my workplace is now shut as one of them was in last Friday (only got tested on Sunday/Monday), and one acquaintance/semi-friend passed away from it two weeks ago.
The spread seems very random.

NIMAN wrote: »

But I don't think its down to luck.

I think its down to following the simple guidelines.

Of the few people I know personally who have caught it, many were flippant and we attending family parties etc. They weren't doing the simple things.

I’m in Louth and know loads with it or who had it since December (overall Dundalk south has been as high or higher than belmullet as cases here have been top 2 in the country consistently for months- not just a Xmas spike). I know people here who got it by being in a local pub and taking the piss. My neighbour is a hcw and got it via work but I know numerous who got it over Xmas who were not breaking any rules - it was (and is) so rampant here that there is a much greater risk just doing the weekly shop more than anytime before Or versus any other town in 90% of the country. It definitely exploded due to people taking the piss but this had such a knock on effect that normal essential things like shopping are much higher risk now. It really depends where you are too

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Where are you from though.

The thing is Dublin can have 50,000 cases, Tipp 30, but the country gets locked down, not just Dublin, so the rest of the country is like ''' what the hell, i know no one who has had it ''

Live in Donegal and visit Derry regularly.

They were among the highest in the world at differing times, so its not like the virus wasn't around the area.

Steve012 wrote: »

I knew only my Aunt in London who caught it in the first wave, I now many many people who have tested positive, my own niece (18) 7 of her mates, e.g So it's about 20 odd people I know who have tested positive since November.

But were these folk all following guidelines? If I was a betting man ....

I have read about large numbers of young people catching it, and tbh I'm not surprised when you see them out walking around together with no masks on, and then no doubt they head into houses etc together.

NIMAN wrote: »

I got to thinking today about how people might actually be catching this virus?

The media often try to portray the virus as the most transmissible thing ever. Since this all started I have heard how easy it is to catch it.

Now we as a family have followed the guidelines closely and tended to stay away from relatives when the restriction level told us to. But I was still out at work until end of April 2020. My OH teaches and has been in school when they were open. I shop maybe twice a week, and have been in local stores on maybe another couple of days each week.

Yet since March last year not a single person in my our entire family circle, parents, siblings, in-laws, kids, etc has had any symptoms that necessitated a test. And thats a fair few people, who have also all been out and about too. And outside of the family, I don't know many of my work colleagues or friends who have tested positive.

So I as wondering if you do the basics are you generally relatively safe from it? It would appear so.
Are all those people catching it now simply not following the simple rules properly?
Surely they can't all be just unlucky?

Prolonged close contact indoors is the key , it seems. So if you avoid that entirely you've vgirtually eliminated the risk. It's theoretically possible to catch it off a delivery guy or whatever but that's probably like 1 case in 1,000.

Deleted User wrote: »

When MM said today that lockdown/ restrictions was/ were to last until June. Did he mean strict lockdown, or that all levels would be lifted by then?

Some level of restriction I assume he meant. even if he thought we might be in level 5 till June, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be saying it out loud...

NIMAN wrote: »

Didn't mean to victim blame, I was just wondering how people are catching it.
I appreciate a lot of the cases and deaths have been in care homes and hospitals, and those are probably easier to understand, but I am wondering if you are staying at home, following guidelines, going for walks and maybe going to the supermarket, how are so many catching it?

Sorry if I sounded snappy but a member of my family caught it through no fault of her own or indeed of her contact
She was very sick but thankfully recovered well at home . It irks me to think she would be blamed for being ill
I know another friend who had it , she is a teacher and extremely careful , also very ill for 10 days and still breathless . It certainly wasn’t her fault either

Deleted User wrote: »

When MM said today that lockdown/ restrictions was/ were to last until June. Did he mean strict lockdown, or that all levels would be lifted by then?

I am thinking it would be level 1/2 as best case scenario by then?

I know nobody here has a crystal ball.

Depend son which way you view it

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1352939521030184960

Does that mean cases being 100-200 for the easing of any restrictions or the final ones?

Knowing Martin and him saying they'll be more cautious means level 5 until then with no changes

Others wouldn't be reading it as pessimistically as that

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Any possibility that the death rate may be elevated by administration of the vaccine to the elderly in nursing homes?

Could some of these people be unable to fight off the side effects of the vaccine ?

How have deaths jumped so much otherwise?

When tested then these poor people are PCR positive due to the vaccine and so get labelled as a covid death ?

The death rate increase is totally unexplainable.

The death rate is due. It what happens when you have thousands of cases.

Deaths lag cases. Death reports lag actual deaths. This is how it's supposed to work unfortunately.