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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #8822
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    And who told you that we had to do this? Right, the people who decided this is what we had to do told you that.

    Do you think they will tell you maybe we didnt have to do this?

    This is a public health emergency and these "people" are required to protect everyone as best they can. They do that annually with the flu' jabs, yet some die anyway. Eventually it is hoped that COVID will be the same as that or little more than a cold. The difference here is we can offer protection against flu'. While COVID does disproportionately affect older groups it also hits younger cohorts in ways we still don't understand and can't predict.

    This has never been about the deaths but it is a good way to make the public pay attention. If you get enough cases you can floor a health system and prevent it from caring for COVID cases and pretty much everyone else. That's why we're doing all of this


  • #8823
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    This thread is a prime example of the power of controlling the information.

    Less than 3,000 people have died with this in Ireland. In a whole year. Thats 0.06%. Thats like 1 in 2,000 people. The majority at or over life expectancy age. More than half of them in nursing home. 3,000 people in a country where 35,000 die every year. Of which over 3,000 die from respiratory diseases. Like pneumonia. Every year. Before covid.

    But if you listen to this thread life will never be the same and we should all make a will and never leave the house again.

    Government and media are painting a completely distorted picture of this. People need to get a grip.

    It's pretty amazing that some people still can't get their heads around what's going on, even as our hospitals are at capacity.

    Maybe you'll understand what you lived through years later. Who knows


  • #8824
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,085 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    This thread is a prime example of the power of controlling the information.

    Less than 3,000 people have died with this in Ireland. In a whole year. Thats 0.06%. Thats like 1 in 2,000 people. The majority at or over life expectancy age. More than half of them in nursing home. 3,000 people in a country where 35,000 die every year. Of which over 3,000 die from respiratory diseases. Like pneumonia. Every year. Before covid.

    But if you listen to this thread life will never be the same and we should all make a will and never leave the house again.

    Government and media are painting a completely distorted picture of this. People need to get a grip.

    Nearly a year on and people still spouting stuff like this.


  • #8825
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    It's pretty amazing that some people still can't get their heads around what's going on, even as our hospitals are at capacity.

    Maybe you'll understand what you lived through years later. Who knows

    Our hospitals are past capacity every single year.


  • #8826
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Nearly a year on and people still spouting stuff like this.

    Spouting stuff.

    So tell me just one thing in that post thats wrong? Just one thing. They're the numbers. They dont lie.


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  • #8827
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Our hospitals are past capacity every single year.

    Yet we don't have to cancel cancer surgeries and heart operations enmasse. We do now.

    It's a completly different level of past capacity.


  • #8828
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Our hospitals are past capacity every single year.

    Eh, you obviously haven't heard but they had to cancel a lot of regular procedures in order to cope with covid.

    There's clearly a lot you have yet to hear about. Go pour yourself a stiff drink and we'll fill you in.


  • #8829
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    This thread is a prime example of the power of controlling the information.

    Less than 3,000 people have died with this in Ireland. In a whole year. Thats 0.06%. Thats like 1 in 2,000 people. The majority at or over life expectancy age. More than half of them in nursing home. 3,000 people in a country where 35,000 die every year. Of which over 3,000 die from respiratory diseases. Like pneumonia. Every year. Before covid.

    But if you listen to this thread life will never be the same and we should all make a will and never leave the house again.

    Government and media are painting a completely distorted picture of this. People need to get a grip.
    35000 every year ~= 96 per day.
    Current 7-day daily covid average: 48 per day.


  • #8830
    Blazer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,478 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Nearly a year on and people still spouting stuff like this.

    And it’s getting worse.
    And it’s all by people of lower iq who believe that crap they read on Facebook from some nutcase and then suddenly think they’re the smart ones.
    I have zero hesitation in calling these morons out.
    My own brother make a similar statement this week and I savaged him on Facebook for it.
    I have other people on my friends list who make the same claim and I do likewise.
    We should all do the same..anyone that repeats or regurgitates this fake nonsense or flu similarity etc should be called out ASAP and ridiculed.


  • #8831
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Ficheall wrote: »
    35000 every year ~= 96 per day.
    Current 7-day daily covid average: 48 per day.

    And yet they same number of people die that die every year.

    Look, I'm not denying there is a disease out there that can be dangerous to some.

    But we're about to descend into hysteria again. All I'm looking for is some perspective.


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  • #8832
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Yet we don't have to cancel cancer surgeries and heart operations enmasse. We do now.

    It's a completly different level of past capacity.
    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Eh, you obviously haven't heard but they had to cancel a lot of regular procedures in order to cope with covid.

    There's clearly a lot you have yet to hear about. Go pour yourself a stiff drink and we'll fill you in.

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  • #8833
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Maybe we should have some sort of lockdown/restrictions every winter, imagine the lifes we'd save and the hospitals wouldnt be under pressure


  • #8834
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Blazer wrote: »
    And it’s getting worse.
    And it’s all by people of lower iq who believe that crap they read on Facebook from some nutcase and then suddenly think they’re the smart ones.
    I have zero hesitation in calling these morons out.
    My own brother make a similar statement this week and I savaged him on Facebook for it.
    I have other people on my friends list who make the same claim and I do likewise.
    We should all do the same..anyone that repeats or regurgitates this fake nonsense or flu similarity etc should be called out ASAP and ridiculed.

    Ok go to my OP and tell me one single thing that is crap from facebook.

    The very same thing that you accuse those 'facebook people' of applies to you. You have shut yourself off from anything that doesnt fit with what you believe. Even if they are the actual undisputed numbers it seems.


  • #8835
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Spouting stuff.

    So tell me just one thing in that post thats wrong? Just one thing. They're the numbers. They dont lie.

    Look around the world. In Brazil recently they have had to medical evacuate preterm babies because they do not have sufficient oxygen left to treat them. In Northern Ireland people have been treated in ambulances outside hospitals and they have to put out emergency calls for off duty staff to turn up. In Belgium, France, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, UK there have been excess mortality rates among every age group over 45. That is with very strict lockdowns.
    I know it is hard to accept the way things are. And I have friends (with whom I am becoming less friendly tbh) who insist it is all a scam. But the fact is if we did not have extremely unusual social restrictions to protect the health system from becoming overwhelmed by the numbers of sick people if the situation was left to freely run, we would have had a really horrible scenario.

    https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps


  • #8836
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Look around the world. In Brazil recently they have had to medical evacuate preterm babies because they do not have sufficient oxygen left to treat them. In Northern Ireland people have been treated in ambulances outside hospitals and they have to put out emergency calls for off duty staff to turn up. In Belgium, France, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, UK there have been excess mortality rates among every age group over 45. That is with very strict lockdowns.
    I know it is hard to accept the way things are. And I have friends (with whom I am becoming less friendly tbh) who insist it is all a scam. But the fact is if we did not have extremely unusual social restrictions to protect the health system from becoming overwhelmed by the numbers of sick people if the situation was left to freely run, we would have had a really horrible scenario.

    https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

    Thats not what I asked for. I didnt say tell me about babies in Brazil. I said show me one single thing in my post thats wrong.


  • #8837
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    NIMAN wrote: »
    But by the laws of how this virus spreads around, many of those who acted selfishly and stupidly now have loved ones in hospitals and ICUs because of their actions.

    Of course it will have spread to strangers in a more roundabout way, but if they caught it, then its inevitable that they gave it to close relatives first.

    Not sure what your point is.


  • #8838
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Thats not what I asked for. I didnt say tell me about babies in Brazil. I said show me one single thing in my post thats wrong.

    Your post does not show comprehension of EXCESS mortality. That is what is wrong with it.


  • #8839
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Your post does not show comprehension of EXCESS mortality. That is what is wrong with it.

    Of which there is none as it happens.

    But anyway.

    Do people not see what is happening? And I dont mean all over the world. I mean over the last two pages here.

    I posted that people need to get some perspective and confronted them with the facts. This in reply to last night's absolute doom fest there.

    But you people dont even seem to read my pst or automatically read beyond it or something. Because just from there its now implied I'm a denier or Facebook moron or whatnot.

    People can no longer engage with facts it seems. The moment you say anything at all you're automatically 'one of them'.


  • #8840
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,085 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Of which there is none as it happens.

    But anyway.

    Do people not see what is happening? And I dont mean all over the world. I mean over the last two pages here.

    I posted that people need to get some perspective and confronted them with the facts. This in reply to last night's absolute doom fest there.

    But you people dont even seem to read my pst or automatically read beyond it or something. Because just from there its now implied I'm a denier or Facebook moron or whatnot.

    People can no longer engage with facts it seems. The moment you say anything at all you're automatically 'one of them'.

    You dont understand the facts you are posting. Or what "cause and effect" is. Ask a grown up.


  • #8841
    zuutroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    The 'facts' are that at present we either live like this or the health service collapses. Neither are particularly fun, thus people are miserable. It's that simple.


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  • #8842
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Of which there is none as it happens.

    But anyway.

    Do people not see what is happening? And I dont mean all over the world. I mean over the last two pages here.

    I posted that people need to get some perspective and confronted them with the facts. This in reply to last night's absolute doom fest there.

    But you people dont even seem to read my pst or automatically read beyond it or something. Because just from there its now implied I'm a denier or Facebook moron or whatnot.

    People can no longer engage with facts it seems. The moment you say anything at all you're automatically 'one of them'.

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  • #8843
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Of which there is none as it happens.

    But anyway.

    .

    Again I will link you to the graphs that show there is excess mortality

    https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

    These are EU countries. The last third of the graphs show 2020. The first really large spike is before restrictions, before surge plans for hospitals - that spike would have been repeated several times if not for restrictions and hospital response mechanisms.
    Every group over 45 shows substantial increase in mortality.
    And that is without Covid's extra morbidity considerations (morbidity = being affected by a medical condition, having a diseased state after an illness, illness rate in population).


  • #8844
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Look around the world. In Brazil recently they have had to medical evacuate preterm babies because they do not have sufficient oxygen left to treat them. In Northern Ireland people have been treated in ambulances outside hospitals and they have to put out emergency calls for off duty staff to turn up. In Belgium, France, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, UK there have been excess mortality rates among every age group over 45. That is with very strict lockdowns.
    I know it is hard to accept the way things are. And I have friends (with whom I am becoming less friendly tbh) who insist it is all a scam. But the fact is if we did not have extremely unusual social restrictions to protect the health system from becoming overwhelmed by the numbers of sick people if the situation was left to freely run, we would have had a really horrible scenario.

    https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

    On the northern Ireland thing with the ambulances, it was a few hours on a Sunday weeks ago, they apologised for it and hasn't happened again even though cases went up 10 fold. People really have to stop using it as a some kind of proof hospitals are collapsing


  • #8845
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Of which there is none as it happens.

    But anyway.

    Do people not see what is happening? And I dont mean all over the world. I mean over the last two pages here.

    I posted that people need to get some perspective and confronted them with the facts. This in reply to last night's absolute doom fest there.

    But you people dont even seem to read my pst or automatically read beyond it or something. Because just from there its now implied I'm a denier or Facebook moron or whatnot.

    People can no longer engage with facts it seems. The moment you say anything at all you're automatically 'one of them'.

    You're perfectly entitled to your viewpoint, but from what i can see, you haven't posted any alternative strategies or given any hint of what could or should have been done differently. Unless i missed earlier posts. Should we have closed borders like NZ? Shielded the vulnerable and let everybody else get on as normal? Spent another billion on test and trace? Completely cancelled christmas? Etc. What other options were on the table that could have better mitigated the effects of this disease?


  • #8846
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    You're perfectly entitled to your viewpoint, but from what i can see, you haven't posted any alternative strategies or given any hint of what could or should have been done differently. Unless i missed earlier posts. Should we have closed borders like NZ? Shielded the vulnerable and let everybody else get on as normal? Spent another billion on test and trace? Completely cancelled christmas? Etc. What other options were on the table that could have better mitigated the effects of this disease?

    Maybe we should hire a public health team that could advise the government on different available strategies.


  • #8847
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    This thread is a prime example of the power of controlling the information.

    Less than 3,000 people have died with this in Ireland. In a whole year. Thats 0.06%. Thats like 1 in 2,000 people. The majority at or over life expectancy age. More than half of them in nursing home. 3,000 people in a country where 35,000 die every year. Of which over 3,000 die from respiratory diseases. Like pneumonia. Every year. Before covid.

    But if you listen to this thread life will never be the same and we should all make a will and never leave the house again.

    Government and media are painting a completely distorted picture of this. People need to get a grip.

    Wow time warp to March. Get with it lad.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/uk-excess-deaths-since-start-of-pandemic-surpass-100-000-data-suggests-1.4462125
    Thoughts?


  • #8848
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Maybe we should hire a public health team that could advise the government on different available strategies.

    I'm just suggesting it might help if the poster offered some alternative suggestions with his critique, that is all. This is a discussion forum, is it not?


  • #8849
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    niallo27 wrote: »
    On the northern Ireland thing with the ambulances, it was a few hours on a Sunday weeks ago, they apologised for it and hasn't happened again even though cases went up 10 fold. People really have to stop using it as a some kind of proof hospitals are collapsing

    Evidence for this claim ?


  • #8850
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0123/1191570-coronavirus-ireland/

    Covid-19 vaccinations for people over the age of 70 may be delayed due to issues with the supply of the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine, the Taoiseach has said.

    Lockdown at level 5 till June now after this EU **** up.


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  • #8851
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Also case numbers have to go under 200 to get out of level 5. Seems like an impossible target


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