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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #8792
    jammiedodgers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    Ah lads the thread is depressing enough without bringing back the shitty jokes about €9 meals.


  • #8793
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Cheltenham Fans, that deserves a place!!!!

    Also Irish bound Liverpool fans.


  • #8794
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭fits


    This is tough going isn’t it? Rumours that new variants might evade the vaccines is hard to hear. All feels endless

    Sorry I know this isn’t very positive. A lot of people’s hopes are resting on the vaccines.

    Delay announced of Astra Zeneca one now too.

    I honestly believe an aggressive suppression strategy is our only hope for this year. Lockdown then quarantine and well resourced tracing. Anything else and we can only half live.


  • #8795
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Was very healthy, ran and took part in a lot of charity walks etc.
    There's research going on now into the influence of autoantibodies as a possible explanation for the severity of COVID cases. Here's a summary of what autoantibodies are.

    https://labtestsonline.org/tests/autoantibodies


  • #8796
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    fits wrote: »
    This is tough going isn’t it? Rumours that new variants might evade the vaccines is hard to hear. All feels endless

    Sorry I know this isn’t very positive. A lot of people’s hopes are resting on the vaccines.

    Delay announced of Astra Zeneca one now too.

    I honestly believe an aggressive suppression strategy is our only hope for this year. Lockdown then quarantine and well resourced tracing. Anything else and we can only half live.

    There is no evidence that the new variants are a problem for the vaccine, they might have to tweak them but said that would take weeks.


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  • #8797
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    fits wrote: »
    This is tough going isn’t it? Rumours that new variants might evade the vaccines is hard to hear. All feels endless

    Sorry I know this isn’t very positive. A lot of people’s hopes are resting on the vaccines.

    Delay announced of Astra Zeneca one now too.

    I honestly believe an aggressive suppression strategy is our only hope for this year. Lockdown then quarantine and well resourced tracing. Anything else and we can only half live.

    AstraZeneca issue is for Q1 and it's a temporary setback, not the end of the world. Pfizer will be ramping up from February and any country with even half a plan should still get the equivalent of our first two groups done in that period.


  • #8798
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,868 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    blindside88 wrote: »
    He only has a provisional license and isn’t insured on anything but that could potentially been an option I hadn’t thought of if we can get him names on something

    If he has a learner permit he would have to have a qualified driver (full licence for more than two years) in a car with him if he was driving. Driving without a qualified driver is likely to result in the car being seized and a prosecution.

    If you're going to be in the same household anyway the simplest thing to do is for you to collect him.


  • #8799
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Danzy wrote: »
    There is no evidence that the new variants are a problem for the vaccine, they might have to tweak them but said that would take weeks.

    With the virus endemic we are giving it too much opportunity to mutate.


  • #8800
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    fits wrote: »
    With the virus endemic we are giving it too much opportunity to mutate.

    It mutates less than other viruses.
    A typical SARS-CoV-2 virus accumulates only two single-letter mutations per month in its genome — a rate of change about half that of influenza and one-quarter that of HIV

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6


  • #8801
    pconn062
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Haven't seen much posted about this. New info on testing procedures from the WHO.

    https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1352007326451044355?s=19

    This looks like massive news, changes how we define positive tests/cases?


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  • #8802
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭fits


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It mutates less than other viruses.



    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6

    That quote is meaningless without a statement on prevalence.


  • #8803
    HansKroenke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭HansKroenke


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Haven't seen much posted about this. New info on testing procedures from the WHO.

    https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1352007326451044355?s=19

    This looks like massive news, changes how we define positive tests/cases?

    The implication looks that covid cases will only be counted with actual symptoms. Hopefully we get to a point with vaccine rollout where they will want to not be concerned about the spread of covid so cases won't be as important unless they actually need treatment. Arguably this is how it should be now but that is a different topic.

    I'm just surprised the PCR test is the only accepted form of covid testing after all this time, with no effort to make a push for antibody or other type of testing in the meantime. Multiple vaccines have been developed so it is peculiar to say the least.


  • #8804
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Haven't seen much posted about this. New info on testing procedures from the WHO.

    https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1352007326451044355?s=19

    This looks like massive news, changes how we define positive tests/cases?

    I don't see any major changes here. Our labs already have fairly robust processes in place for so called weak sample results.


  • #8805
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    fits wrote: »
    With the virus endemic we are giving it too much opportunity to mutate.

    There is no evidence that Corona virus mutates as dangerously as other viruses like the flu. As viruses go, it's considered very stable.

    Though all efforts should be made to stop transmission.


  • #8806
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    Turtwig wrote: »
    I don't see any major changes here. Our labs already have fairly robust processes in place for so called weak sample results.

    Including ‘symptomatic’ as part of the definition for having Covid is a tectonic shift, no?


  • #8807
    pconn062
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Turtwig wrote: »
    I don't see any major changes here. Our labs already have fairly robust processes in place for so called weak sample results.

    Yes but what about cases that are "positive" despite zero symptoms being observed? This loooks like it changes that. I know of several people who received positive tests results fter being tested as a close contact despite being asymptomatic. Surely this is important if we are basing much of our Covid policy on case numbers.


  • #8808
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    Including ‘symptomatic’ as part of the definition for having Covid is a tectonic shift, no?
    Well, that's one way of getting the numbers down. Even if the cases are still on the rise.


  • #8809
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    fits wrote: »
    That quote is meaningless without a statement on prevalence.
    That looks a whole lot like you've just set out to dismiss it out of hand. It's one thing that's been stated and observed about SARS-COV-2, it doesn't mutate very often.


  • #8810
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Sometimes I wake up some mornings and still can't believe the last year happened
    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1352777591497904129

    The Chinese must be laughing how we here in the west have handled the virus. 12 months in and people here are still comparing it to the flu and saying gyms are essential.


  • #8811
    pconn062
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Well, that's one way of getting the numbers down. Even if the cases are still on the rise.

    It's more a case of redefining what counts as a case.


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  • #8812
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    Including ‘symptomatic’ as part of the definition for having Covid is a tectonic shift, no?

    Where is this in the guidance?

    Symptomatic is used as a criteria for validation of weak positives but that's not really anything new. AFAIK? Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see any seismic shift here other than a tweet and person reading something from the briefing that isn't really there with very selective highlights of text.


  • #8813
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    pconn062 wrote: »
    It's more a case of redefining what counts as a case.
    Yes, and so the case numbers will go down. And people will think the vaccines and whatever measures they're taking/not taking are working.


  • #8814
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    pconn062 wrote: »
    It's more a case of redefining what counts as a case.

    No it is not. It doesn't suggest anything of the sort.


  • #8815
    Eivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Haven't seen much posted about this. New info on testing procedures from the WHO.

    https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1352007326451044355?s=19

    This looks like massive news, changes how we define positive tests/cases?

    Ive been saying for ages that a positive PCR swab =/= a Covid 19 case. Glad to see this change


  • #8816
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    This thread is a prime example of the power of controlling the information.

    Less than 3,000 people have died with this in Ireland. In a whole year. Thats 0.06%. Thats like 1 in 2,000 people. The majority at or over life expectancy age. More than half of them in nursing home. 3,000 people in a country where 35,000 die every year. Of which over 3,000 die from respiratory diseases. Like pneumonia. Every year. Before covid.

    But if you listen to this thread life will never be the same and we should all make a will and never leave the house again.

    Government and media are painting a completely distorted picture of this. People need to get a grip.


  • #8817
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    This thread is a prime example of the power of controlling the information.

    Less than 3,000 people have died with this in Ireland. In a whole year. Thats 0.06%. Thats like 1 in 2,000 people. The majority at or over life expectancy age. More than half of them in nursing home. 3,000 people in a country where 35,000 die every year. Of which over 3,000 die from respiratory diseases. Like pneumonia. Every year. Before covid.

    But if you listen to this thread life will never be the same and we should all make a will and never leave the house again.

    Government and media are painting a completely distorted picture of this. People need to get a grip.

    Can you not see what we had to do to keep it at 3000. Economy destroyed. Mental health destroyed. That’s just tip of the iceberg.


  • #8818
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    This thread is a prime example of the power of controlling the information.

    Less than 3,000 people have died with this in Ireland. In a whole year. Thats 0.06%. Thats like 1 in 2,000 people. The majority at or over life expectancy age. More than half of them in nursing home. 3,000 people in a country where 35,000 die every year. Of which over 3,000 die from respiratory diseases. Like pneumonia. Every year. Before covid.

    But if you listen to this thread life will never be the same and we should all make a will and never leave the house again.

    Government and media are painting a completely distorted picture of this. People need to get a grip.

    3000 will have died with covid after almost an entire year of restrictions, distancing, masks, almost no socialising, shut down of many, many health services and treatments, and at the expense of the mental health of many.



    How many do you believe would have died if we let it rip with no restrictions? My guess would be at least triple our current death toll.


  • #8819
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    jackboy wrote: »
    Can you not see what we had to do to keep it at 3000. Economy destroyed. Mental health destroyed. That’s just tip of the iceberg.

    And who told you that we had to do this? Right, the people who decided this is what we had to do told you that.

    Do you think they will ever tell you maybe we didnt have to do this?


  • #8820
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    And who told you that we had to do this? Right, the people who decided this is what we had to do told you that.

    Do you think they will ever tell you maybe we didnt have to do this?

    Just look at how many have died so far in January after a couple of weeks reopening. The restrictions are preventing catastrophe.


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  • #8821
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Haven't seen much posted about this. New info on testing procedures from the WHO.

    https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1352007326451044355?s=19

    This looks like massive news, changes how we define positive tests/cases?

    It's to make it look as if vaccines are more efficient.


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