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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #8672
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    My head is spinning with all the bad news. I can’t keep track of all the negative stories!

    Vaccine efficacy lower than hoped, vaccine resistant strains, higher mortality in new strains, vaccine shortages, restrictions for another 18 months,

    Jesus ****ing christ.

    I need to go on a media blackout for a while.


    18 months ? that's new, I hadn't heard that, if vaccine resistant strains become the norm then restrictions in theory will last forever.


    But as this is completely undoable, maybe it's the kick we need to learn to live with this.


    More investment in ICU beds/hospitals/healthcare staff ...
    More investment in treatment ....



    Sometimes bad news is good news in disguise.


  • #8673
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    My head is spinning with all the bad news. I can’t keep track of all the negative stories!

    Vaccine efficacy lower than hoped, vaccine resistant strains, higher mortality in new strains, vaccine shortages, restrictions for another 18 months,

    Jesus ****ing christ.

    I need to go on a media blackout for a while.

    There is a new strain in California as well.


    https://www.livescience.com/new-california-coronavirus-variant.html


  • #8674
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    News just in, breaking news.

    The media and most news agencies reporting bad news.

    We'll keep you updated.

    Please like, subscribe and follow


  • #8675
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Would our reproductive rate be the lowest in Europe right now?

    #goodnewsfriday


  • #8676
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,194 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    52 Deaths
    2,371 Cases
    757 in Dublin, 237 in Cork, 154 in Waterford, 123 in Wexford, 114 in Louth, and the remaining 986 cases are spread across all other counties
    https://forumofgames.com/




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  • #8677
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    More investment in treatment ....

    A really effective antiviral treatment would be a huge game changer. Preferably cheap too.


  • #8678
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    And to think China has just gotten away with this.
    Makes my blood boil.


  • #8679
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Briefing Vs Confirmed
    daily-report-22-01-2021.jpg


  • #8680
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    And to think China has just gotten away with this.
    Makes my blood boil.

    I think the WHO sent in the wrong team

    Scooby-gang-1969.jpg


  • #8681
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    A really effective antiviral treatment would be a huge game changer. Preferably cheap too.


    That's the thing, I mean Trump got it at 74.


    He's overweight, he eats crap ... and he kicked it in 2 days, they gave him some drug called regeneron (sp?)



    Can't they just go all out on that fucking drug instead of spending billions on fucking vaccines that don't fucking work!!!!


    I mean Jesus fucking H fucking Christ!!!


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  • #8682
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    And to think China has just gotten away with this.
    Makes my blood boil.

    They gave the world a template for dealing with it too. Pity only a few places tried.


  • #8683
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    A really effective antiviral treatment would be a huge game changer. Preferably cheap too.

    Antivirals have the same weaknesses as vaccines. Arguably more. Vaccines are our cheapest and most effective weapon by a considerable distance.


  • #8684
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    That's the thing, I mean Trump got it at 74.


    He's overweight, he eats crap ... and he kicked it in 2 days, they gave him some drug called regeneron (sp?)



    Can't they just go all out on that fucking drug instead of spending billions on fucking vaccines that don't fucking work!!!!


    I mean Jesus fucking H fucking Christ!!!

    I believe the drug that Trump got is very expensive and also difficult to manufacture at large scale. I think the data on trials for it may have been middling at best too. Trump may have just beaten the big himself, might be nothing to do with the drugs he got.


  • #8685
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Some commentary on the possible effects of the new variants. As others have said it's far too early to say.

    https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-a-preprint-suggesting-the-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-might-be-protective-against-the-b-1-1-7-lineage-of-sars-cov-2-the-kent-variant/


  • #8686
    Purple Papillon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Purple Papillon


    Has the new vaccine strains been found in Ireland/uk/eu?


  • #8687
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Don’t watch the late late

    Not just during a pandemic either, misery slots are a permanent feature on that programme.


  • #8688
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Purple Papillon wrote: »
    Has the new vaccine strains been found in Ireland/uk/eu?

    Brazilian variant detected in Germany.


  • #8689
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    And to think China has just gotten away with this.
    Makes my blood boil.

    And they are having a good time economically.
    https://www.ft.com/content/ac22618a-4bab-4905-af81-a031a54e9617


  • #8690
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    Easy mistake to make in fairness. In case anyone is unsure, the correct protocol in situations such as this is to not let on about the covid test in the first place.

    Well said.


  • #8691
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    And to think China has just gotten away with this.
    Makes my blood boil.

    Well that's just what is claimed
    Who's to say what it's really like there
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.28.20116012v2


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  • #8692
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    That's the thing, I mean Trump got it at 74.


    He's overweight, he eats crap ... and he kicked it in 2 days, they gave him some drug called regeneron (sp?)



    Can't they just go all out on that fucking drug instead of spending billions on fucking vaccines that don't fucking work!!!!


    I mean Jesus fucking H fucking Christ!!!
    ]


    Did he even have it?:confused:


  • #8693
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    marno21 wrote: »
    The news this evening is full of stories based on inconclusive data. The UK variant “mortality increase” information is based on a subset of data taken during a period when the health system in the UK was close to collapse, when testing was overwhelmed and when a comprehensive dataset on the pandemic was not available. The ONS data on the UK variant today disagrees with most theories on the variant to date.

    The data on the South African variant is also inconclusive. Has there been many reinfections to date? If one mutation on the spike protein is causing severely reduced vaccine effectiveness we may have better luck with inactivated virus vaccines in the future.

    Anyone following AstraZeneca to date will not be surprised by the latest bad news. I’m crossing my fingers that Janssen will bring us good news and start a competent delivery process.

    The EU switch to a zero-Covid approach isn’t altogether surprising. There’s little point in vaccinating the population while it’s running rampant in countries. Getting cases as low as possible in parallel with the vaccine rollout makes sense to try and rescue as much of 2021 as possible.

    This is what's happening since day 1.

    Nobody knows a thing for sure, the data we use to make all those really big statements and decisions is absolute rubbish, but everyone is screaming in the shrillest tones possible. This is how we got into this mess in the first place and we seem grimly determined to not ever improve on this. Its pathetic really.


  • #8694
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    Jesus the media are wetting themselves over the possibility the new variants are more dangerous and vaccines won't work with them.

    They're just warming us up for the late late show.


  • #8695
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    For anyone interested here are the numbers from the 1st Jan for Briefing Vs Confirmed Column 1 = Total, C = Confirmed and B = Briefing

    BRIEFING-V-CONFIRMED-1.jpg
    BRIEFING-V-CONFIRMED-2.jpg
    BRIEFING-V-CONFIRMED-3.jpg


  • #8696
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    ]


    Did he even have it?:confused:
    I doubt it, everything about Trump was a big lie.


  • #8697
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,786 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I watched BBC NI news at 6pm tonight, and they had an interview with a man who has throat cancer and now suspected bowel cancer, but he has been told his operation has been put on hold for the forseeable future as they have to deal with Covid.

    What makes one illness so important at the exoense of other important ones?

    I found it shocking that they still aren't trying to do important cancer ops as well. This delay, and other like it, will be a death knell for many.


  • #8698
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I watched BBC NI news at 6pm tonight, and they had an interview with a man who has throat cancer and now suspected bowel cancer, but he has been told his operation has been put on hold for the forseeable future as they have to deal with Covid.

    What makes one illness so important at the exoense of other important ones?

    I found it shocking that they still aren't trying to do important cancer ops as well. This delay, and other like it, will be a death knell for many.

    Immediacy. Most of the people in ICU with covid are dead without it.

    The man with bowel and throat cancer might be 50/50 if operated on today and 30/70 if operated in a months time but he will probably still be here in a months time. Its not as immediate a risk. They won't operate on him if they don't have icu capacity.

    It really sucks.


  • #8699
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I watched BBC NI news at 6pm tonight, and they had an interview with a man who has throat cancer and now suspected bowel cancer, but he has been told his operation has been put on hold for the forseeable future as they have to deal with Covid.

    What makes one illness so important at the exoense of other important ones?

    I found it shocking that they still aren't trying to do important cancer ops as well. This delay, and other like it, will be a death knell for many.


    They may not have the beds for one thing apart from the fact that one of the best ways to catch it is go into a hospital at the moment. Covid may kill a vulnerable person.


  • #8700
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,868 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I watched BBC NI news at 6pm tonight, and they had an interview with a man who has throat cancer and now suspected bowel cancer, but he has been told his operation has been put on hold for the forseeable future as they have to deal with Covid.

    What makes one illness so important at the exoense of other important ones?

    I found it shocking that they still aren't trying to do important cancer ops as well. This delay, and other like it, will be a death knell for many.

    Do you honestly believe hospitals are not prioritising which patients most urgently need lifesaving treatment? Do you think they are putting covid patients ahead of this guy because covid is trendier than cancer right now?


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  • #8701
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I watched BBC NI news at 6pm tonight, and they had an interview with a man who has throat cancer and now suspected bowel cancer, but he has been told his operation has been put on hold for the forseeable future as they have to deal with Covid.

    What makes one illness so important at the exoense of other important ones?

    I found it shocking that they still aren't trying to do important cancer ops as well. This delay, and other like it, will be a death knell for many.

    Medical need.

    They are still trying to do the operations. The problem is they don't have capacity to do them. COVID patients will die in the very short term if no care. The cancer patient may or may not die for several months. NI has been cancelling kidney transplants since November.

    This is the whole point of keeping covid numbers low in your health system. If covid exceeds a certain threshold non covid care gets impacted and long term outcomes become less favourable.

    The only alternative is to ignore covid patients entirely and apply medical care to non covid stuff first. That's not going to happen in any decent humane society.

    The UK will have a lot of excess deaths for non covid due to their botched handling of the pandemic. Ireland will have it for the first wave and sadly now the third. This last one has crippled us. The long term consequences will not be pleasant.


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