Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

TheValeyard · 22-01-2021 01:19PM

monkeybutter wrote: »

it seems the education system has failed you, no need to be bitter about it

Think he's just unhappy he cannot match with teachers on Tinder.

Icyseanfitz · 22-01-2021 01:19PM

daheff wrote: »

You may not like this suggestion, but it doesn't make it wrong.

I'd agree that if teachers were put onto a lower wage because of not being in schools due to the pandemic that teachers would be more eager to return to schools.

Are ye happy for educators to stop working completely so until schools return? Because thats what pup is

Crocodile Booze · 22-01-2021 01:21PM

daheff wrote: »

You may not like this suggestion, but it doesn't make it wrong.

I'd agree that if teachers were put onto a lower wage because of not being in schools due to the pandemic that teachers would be more eager to return to schools.

But, but , but their suggestion was to put 65,000 teachers on the PUP. This might be a bit problematic because then suddenly we have NO education system whatsover.

I'm no teacher but I think some of you revolutionaries might not have fully thought this through and fleshed out the details, compadre.

doublejobbing 2 · 22-01-2021 01:22PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

Thsts the funniest bit of the whole thing.

Yeah all teachers are on 60k a year. Lol

Fairly sure a lot who are in their 50's would be on more than that. I think it's a fair estimate of an average.

Icyseanfitz · 22-01-2021 01:22PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

OK. Think of it like this.

You're a 35 year old teacher and mother of two healthy children. Your husband is a bus driver. Neither of you live with an elderly relative.

Why does he have to work, but she doesn't? The chances of either suffering anything worse than a bad cold are negligible. In fact the chances of any of them not suffering even a headcold are around 80%.

You do realize plenty of people under 50 have died right? And the fact that there is no guarantee of a hospital bed in the coming weeks which will make that even worse unfortunately. Not even to discuss the long term health effects covid has on people.

TTLF · 22-01-2021 01:23PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

It's very annoying. Most language classes wud be increasing oral prep now, cud be all in vain.

Ironic you say that actually, I'm currently prepping out questions/answers to my (possibly non-existent) German Oral as we speak! :pac:

doublejobbing 2 · 22-01-2021 01:26PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

You do realize plenty of people under 50 have died right?

Plenty of people under 50 who were able bodied have not died. How many teachers are carrying a health condition that Covid could aggravate, aside perhaps from obesity?

Not even to discuss the long term health effects covid has on people.

Ah jaysis, long Covid again :pac: Covid has by now probably struck a majority of premier league players yet hasn't ruled out any beyond a couple of weeks, let alone ended their career.

It's a good thing everyone who ever suffered the flu never had after effects that lingered for months :rolleyes:

wirelessdude01 · 22-01-2021 01:27PM

daheff wrote: »

You may not like this suggestion, but it doesn't make it wrong.

I'd agree that if teachers were put onto a lower wage because of not being in schools due to the pandemic that teachers would be more eager to return to schools.

I'm doing my job from home, why should i be put on a lower wage?

Ask my parents are they happy with the schooling that their children in my class are currently receiving.

Icyseanfitz · 22-01-2021 01:29PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Plenty of people under 50 who were able bodied have not died. How many teachers are carrying a health condition that Covid could aggravate, aside perhaps from obesity?

Ah jaysis, long Covid again :pac: Covid has by now probably struck a majority of premier league players yet hasn't ruled out any beyond a couple of weeks, let alone ended their career.

It's a good thing everyone who ever suffered the flu never had after effects that lingered for months :rolleyes:

Right, covid is the flu, like your other posts, original and trend setting.

Wombatman · 22-01-2021 01:29PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

What did he say different to Ronan Glynn?

Glynn said said that although there were no “zero-risk” environments, the re-opening of schools was in the best interests of children.

What did he say about the staff?

Stateofyou · 22-01-2021 01:30PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

OK. Think of it like this.

You're a 35 year old teacher and mother of two healthy children. Your husband is a bus driver. Neither of you live with an elderly relative.

Why does he have to work, but she doesn't? The chances of either suffering anything worse than a bad cold are negligible. In fact the chances of any of them not suffering even a headcold are around 80%.

Even if that were true, that's not the point. No one wants to be one of the ones who gets very ill. Then you have many people suffering longer term symptoms. There could be permanent damage to organs but obviously we don't know that yet. And the main point, we need to stop our hospitals being overwhelmed. It's Jan 2021 we're 10 months into this pandemic, this shouldn't need to still be said at this stage.

Responder XY · 22-01-2021 01:31PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

OK. Think of it like this.

You're a 35 year old teacher and mother of two healthy children. Your husband is a bus driver. Neither of you live with an elderly relative.

Why does he have to work, but she doesn't? The chances of either suffering anything worse than a bad cold are negligible. In fact the chances of any of them not suffering even a headcold are around 80%.

Covid is not a head cold, It is certainly a nasty dose for way more than 20% of even healthy younger people. Your perception of the impact here is understated. I'm firmly in the schools should be open camp because I view it as an essential service and the potential harm done by being open is less than the potential harm by halting education.
But that argument is never going to be won by being dishonest about what the virus actually is!

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

You do realize plenty of people under 50 have died right? And the fact that there is no guarantee of a hospital bed in the coming weeks which will make that even worse unfortunately. Not even to discuss the long term health effects covid has on people.

This is the other end of hyperbole! the virus is very unpleasant, people will get sick - but we expose ourselves to risks of sickness and death all the time. They are just low level risks. Closing an education system due to the risk that a hospital bed, that you are extremely unlikely to need, may not be available is not reasonable.

km79 · 22-01-2021 01:31PM

I predict special schools /classes back on Feb 1st.

Maybe leaving ibg certs too which would great an unnecessary mess for the sake of two More weeks remote learning .
Full reopening Feb 22nd

Icyseanfitz · 22-01-2021 01:33PM

Responder XY wrote: »

Covid is not a head cold, It is certainly a nasty dose for way more than 20% of even healthy younger people. Your perception of the impact here is understated. I'm firmly in the schools should be open camp because I view it as an essential service and the potential harm done by being open is less than the potential harm by halting education.
But that argument is never going to be won by being dishonest about what the virus actually is!

This is the other end of hyperbole! the virus is very unpleasant, people will get sick - but we expose ourselves to risks of sickness and death all the time. They are just low level risks. Closing an education system due to the risk that a hospital bed, that you are extremely unlikely to need, may not be available is not reasonable.

I disagree

Beasty · 22-01-2021 01:34PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Ah jaysis, long Covid again :pac: Covid has by now probably struck a majority of premier league players yet hasn't ruled out any beyond a couple of weeks, let alone ended their career.

It's a good thing everyone who ever suffered the flu never had after effects that lingered for months :rolleyes:

Do not post in this thread again

ELM327 · 22-01-2021 01:37PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

OK. Think of it like this.

You're a 35 year old teacher and mother of two healthy children. Your husband is a bus driver. Neither of you live with an elderly relative.

Why does he have to work, but she doesn't? The chances of either suffering anything worse than a bad cold are negligible. In fact the chances of any of them not suffering even a headcold are around 80%.

Ignoring the covidiot nonsense at the end, the point about the teacher vs bus driver is moot.

Bus driver was behind a shield even before covid.
Teacher has to spend hours per day without adequate mitigation (distancing, masks, proper sanitized behavior from the kids).
It's not even apples to oranges, it's apples to mange tout.

Stateofyou · 22-01-2021 01:38PM

Responder XY wrote: »

Covid is not a head cold, It is certainly a nasty dose for way more than 20% of even healthy younger people. Your perception of the impact here is understated. I'm firmly in the schools should be open camp because I view it as an essential service and the potential harm done by being open is less than the potential harm by halting education.
But that argument is never going to be won by being dishonest about what the virus actually is!

This is the other end of hyperbole! the virus is very unpleasant, people will get sick - but we expose ourselves to risks of sickness and death all the time. They are just low level risks. Closing an education system due to the risk that a hospital bed, that you are extremely unlikely to need, may not be available is not reasonable.

Oh good Jesus. A certain percentage of people will become very ill. A certain amount of them will need hospitalisation, and then maybe ICU. Our hospitals are currently circling the drain. Our CMO has just said all age groups across the board are being admitted now with this dominant strain so no one should think the health guidelines don't apply to them.
So yes, let's be honest about what the virus actually is. And who do you think you are telling anyone they are extremely unlikely to need a hospital bed when you don't have the first clue as to their personal health situation or family living arrangements.

khalessi · 22-01-2021 01:38PM

Wombatman wrote: »

What did he say about the staff?

https://twitter.com/dunne45/status/1351212081169780739

HansKroenke · 22-01-2021 01:41PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

You do realize plenty of people under 50 have died right? And the fact that there is no guarantee of a hospital bed in the coming weeks which will make that even worse unfortunately. Not even to discuss the long term health effects covid has on people.

No, no, no. Totally wrong. Please don't post made up stuff like this as it leads to unnecessary fear.

"plenty of people under 50" have not died with covid in Ireland. In almost a year, the number is around 25 people under the age of 50.

skippy1977 · 22-01-2021 01:43PM

HansKroenke wrote: »

No, no, no. Totally wrong. Please don't post made up stuff like this as it leads to unnecessary fear.

"plenty of people under 50" have not died with covid in Ireland. In almost a year, the number is around 25 people under the age of 50.

I don't know the numbers but 25 sounds plenty....were any of them related to you.

HansKroenke · 22-01-2021 01:44PM

skippy1977 wrote: »

I don't know the numbers but 25 sounds plenty....were any of them related to you.

Wow, now trying to use emotional manipulation? Very low and underhand. Horrible post.

Responder XY · 22-01-2021 01:45PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Oh good Jesus. A certain percentage of people will become very ill. A certain amount of them will need hospitalisation, and then maybe ICU. Our hospitals are currently circling the drain. Our CMO has just said all age groups across the board are being admitted now with this dominant strain so no one should think the health guidelines don't apply to them.
So yes, let's be honest about what the virus actually is. And who do you think you are telling anyone they are extremely unlikely to need a hospital bed when you don't have the first clue as to their personal health situation or family living arrangements.

So let's close nursing homes then. That will prevent staff and patients there getting Covid. Or supermarkets, that will prevent the staff there getting Covid. Also power stations - same argument. Will get the covid numbers right down*.
*obviously not a real argument. But I think education is as critical as all of these services. That's my view. For society education is a risk worth taking. Some people are in harm's way, but that's the nature of life.
We know we can't stop essential services in other sectors despite the risks, so we do our best to manage that risk and provide the services because the impact is too much.
Who do you think you are telling anyone that a child's education can be de-prioritised?

skippy1977 · 22-01-2021 01:45PM

HansKroenke wrote: »

Wow, now trying to use emotional manipulation? Very low and underhand. Horrible post.

Just thought your post was a little flippant.

HansKroenke · 22-01-2021 01:47PM

skippy1977 wrote: »

Just thought your post was a little flippant.

You are fear mongering posting things like "plenty of people under 50" have died. They have not.

The number is at least 4 times lower than the average annual suicides in Ireland in that age group. I don't think it is subjectively or objectively right to say "plenty of people under 50" have died with covid when the number is around 25 in 10 months.

Birdy · 22-01-2021 01:47PM

The problem is that community transmission is too high. Schools would cause cases to rise exponentially again.

Timing is everything. Hopefully by 22nd Feb they will be in a position to open. It'll be all or nothing judging by recent weeks.

Norma may start planning for predictive grades again.

ELM327 · 22-01-2021 01:48PM

HansKroenke wrote: »

Wow, now trying to use emotional manipulation? Very low and underhand. Horrible post.

Some interesting stats from the CSO here

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcases/

The carriers are the younger folks, but the deaths are older.
Should we mitigate the carriers or bury the older folks?

wirelessdude01 · 22-01-2021 01:49PM

km79 wrote: »

I predict special schools /classes back on Feb 1st.

Maybe leaving ibg certs too which would great an unnecessary mess for the sake of two More weeks remote learning .
Full reopening Feb 22nd

And that is what most of us have predicted since Christmas was a realistic target to work towards. Norma 'bull in a chinashop' Foley tried to force something through that wasn't and has driven deep divisions into a sector that relies on cooperation and communication.

Icyseanfitz · 22-01-2021 01:51PM

HansKroenke wrote: »

No, no, no. Totally wrong. Please don't post made up stuff like this as it leads to unnecessary fear.

"plenty of people under 50" have not died with covid in Ireland. In almost a year, the number is around 25 people under the age of 50.

Thats 25 poor individuals too many in my books

penny piper · 22-01-2021 01:53PM

daheff wrote: »

You may not like this suggestion, but it doesn't make it wrong.

I'd agree that if teachers were put onto a lower wage because of not being in schools due to the pandemic that teachers would be more eager to return to schools.

Why should Teachers be put on a lower salary if they are doing their job???
Plenty of people are working from home....no salary should be lowered if you are doing your job....People who are the pandemic payment cannot do their job...that's why they are on this payment.....

Some jobs you can do from home some you can't fact.

Stateofyou · 22-01-2021 01:56PM

Responder XY wrote: »

So let's close nursing homes then. That will prevent staff and patients there getting Covid. Or supermarkets, that will prevent the staff there getting Covid. Also power stations - same argument. Will get the covid numbers right down*.
*obviously not a real argument. But I think education is as critical as all of these services. That's my view. For society education is a risk worth taking. Some people are in harm's way, but that's the nature of life.
We know we can't stop essential services in other sectors despite the risks, so we do our best to manage that risk and provide the services because the impact is too much.
Who do you think you are telling anyone that a child's education can be de-prioritised?

People in nursing homes *live* there. I would think having a home and not freezing to death is essential. Again, human body only lives so long without food and water. Education is not on a critical par with shelter and food. Edit to add, education is still happening from home. *Obviously you don't any serious points.
Also in the nature of life and people in harms way, are overwhelmed hospitals, having an even worse, non-covid related knock on effect.
Again, in Jan 2021 this shouldn't still need to be pointed out.
Christ, where are these covid conspiracists crawling out from under today.

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