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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #8372
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    I get that but it again does look like? Like before outside you were grand generally speaking...Is it now more catchable outside?

    If 1,000 people were infected with the usual SARS-CoV-2 variant with an R number of 1.1, they would transmit the virus to another 1,100 people. After 10 cycles of this, 2,593 people would be infected. This new version at 50% would mean 10 cycles would lead to 57,665 cases.

    Outside has always been considered safer but the usual caveats apply in relation to distancing.


  • #8373
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    I know! All these stupid scientists who advocate for not letting the virus become endemic where it can mutate forever and contribute to an increased morbidity load in our species. Stupid top microbiologists and sciencey lads and lassies. Pffftt. Who do they think they are?
    People with notions but no practical real world plans mostly!


  • #8374
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    I get that but it again does look like? Like before outside you were grand generally speaking...Is it now more catchable outside?

    I doubt it. Ventilation plays a big factor with any virus that is airborne. Likely to be much more contagious indoors. If one family member contracts it now it seems very likely that it well spread to everyone in hat household. That was not the case with the initial wave.


  • #8375
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Australia had to breach human right laws to curb the spread the second time around. No clue how that would go down here with the ECHR. NZ had a very strick lockdown as did Australia, you really need to see exactly what people went through. For Ireland it wouldn't be a simple level 5 lockdown, it would be a **** load more strict. Again, if they don't have public buy in, it won't succeed. Look at all the hysteria that crops up around the exercise limit here. In Australia outdoor exercise was banned. Not a hope in hell that would work here.

    Every page this same excuse over and over and over again defending this criminal government.

    Tell me again what measure is too strict and wouldnt fly here...in the face of all of life being locked down for almost a year now? People wont accept temporary stricter measures so they can beat the virus and go back to living faster, but they will accept endless lockdown with virus guaranteed to return?

    What kind of nonsense is this?


  • #8376
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    is_that_so wrote: »
    People with notions but no practical real world plans mostly!

    Notions about disease and real body stuff. Bloody meritocracy! Let the ordinary people decide I say. Why should they know better.


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  • #8377
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    is_that_so wrote: »
    People with notions but no practical real world plans mostly!

    Their is no real alternative now with the new variants. Germany are now considering Zero Covid. Even with vulnerable people all vaccinated the healthcare system would still not function.

    The best thing to do now is drive the numbers as low as possible



    https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/1352536392727977984


  • #8378
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Their is no real alternative now with the new variants. Germany are now considering Zero Covid. Even with vulnerable people all vaccinated the healthcare system would still not function.

    The best thing to do now is drive the numbers as low as possible



    https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/1352536392727977984

    Do you have a link to that German claim?


  • #8379
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    YFlyer wrote: »
    What political sensitivity are preventing the border up at the North to be controlled?

    Assuming that this isn't a rhetorical question;

    The Good Friday Agreement recognises the right of all people born in the North to identify as Irish or British, and as such the right for all Irish to live, work and travel freely around the entire island. A non-existent (not just open) border between North and South is a lynchpin in this.

    Any suggestion that a border be erected, is "politically sensitive" because it's a breach of the GFA. The nationalists will not accept it.

    Requiring travellers between the two jurisdictions to be quarantined is also anathema to this agreement, since it doesn't happen between any other counties.

    Even patrolling the border to issues fines for non-essential travel is fraught because it brings back memories of the troubles. But they should be doing this, IMO.

    Quarantining passengers coming into Belfast is politically sensitive for basically the same reason, except the Unionists will be pissed off. They consider Northern Ireland to be part of the UK and thus, to them, a quarantine between Belfast and London is as absurd as a quarantine between Manchester and Liverpool.

    It's very clear who is wrong here, that the unionists are irrational and ignoring the obvious geographical matters at play.

    But nevertheless we can't do this without them.


  • #8380
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Is mangling of peoples names really necessary?

    I'm skeptical of zero covid implementation in Ireland. However, logistically what covid management plan are Ireland going for? There's no long term strategy. Think it's high time the critics of zero covid actually produce their own alternative framework to get us out of this mess.
    As it stands it's a potential solution I'm warming to more and more as at least they have a proposal.

    Ireland's strategy is to vaccinate the population, at which point zero-covid would be pointless. I thought that was quite obvious


  • #8381
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Notions about disease and real body stuff. Bloody meritocracy! Let the ordinary people decide I say. Why should they know better.
    They just have opinions, you know, like ordinary people. Government policy is that we are not doing, so it's moot what they think.

    This really reminds me of "You can tell me I'm a doctor" line from Airplane!


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  • #8382
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Indo saying restrictions could be extended for 6 weeks just before Paddy's Day. https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-now-facing-another-six-weeks-of-lockdown-as-uk-covid-strain-takes-hold-39997794.html?__twitter_impression=true Examiner saying March too https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40211993.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true In IT talk of quarantine if people don't have a negative test https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/passengers-arriving-into-republic-without-valid-pcr-tests-could-face-compulsory-quarantine-1.4464720?mode=amp


  • #8383
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Do you have a link to that German claim?

    https://twitter.com/TiloJung/status/1352242382817923073


  • #8384
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Indo saying restrictions could be extended for 6 weeks just before Paddy's Day. https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-now-facing-another-six-weeks-of-lockdown-as-uk-covid-strain-takes-hold-39997794.html?__twitter_impression=true Examiner saying March too https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40211993.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true In IT talk of quarantine if people don't have a negative test https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/passengers-arriving-into-republic-without-valid-pcr-tests-could-face-compulsory-quarantine-1.4464720?mode=amp

    ffs

    if they are going to go that far; they might as well include St Patrick's Day


  • #8385
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wadacrack wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/TiloJung/status/1352242382817923073

    So not Germany, just a Merkel answer to a journalist. She has enough problems currently coordinating with the Länder without looking for even more challenges. We've all gone past the point where we can just flip strategies.


  • #8386
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Apologies if already posted here - saw this morning that the new US President has ordered all travellers into the country to quarantine for 7 days and also require a negative covid test to enter.


  • #8387
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    lawred2 wrote: »
    ffs

    if they are going to go that far; they might as well include St Patrick's Day

    Yeah not like anything will change dramatically for Paddys Day


  • #8388
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,722 ✭✭✭celt262


    lawred2 wrote: »
    ffs

    if they are going to go that far; they might as well include St Patrick's Day

    They might give us St Patricks day for being good :pac:


  • #8389
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So not Germany, just a Merkel answer to a journalist. She has enough problems currently coordinating with the Länder without looking for even more challenges. We've all gone past the point where we can just flip strategies.

    https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1352533810886402048


  • #8390
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    AdamD wrote: »
    Ireland's strategy is to vaccinate the population, at which point zero-covid would be pointless. I thought that was quite obvious

    Where are these vaccines though? Not happening until Sept? That's 9 months away. The guts of another year from our lives living like this. We need to change tack. And we need a high uptake to get us to where we need to be.


  • #8391
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wadacrack wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1352533810886402048
    And all the problems that entails. It's still not Germany BTW. Increased vaccinations will address a lot of this ongoing angst about B1.1.7, which is already looking like becoming the dominant strain. We also know that one cannot set timelines with this virus.


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  • #8392
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    celt262 wrote: »
    They might give us St Patricks day for being good :pac:

    well it worked before


  • #8393
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Where are these vaccines though? Not happening until Sept? That's 9 months away. The guts of another year from our lives living like this. We need to change tack.

    that's for all of us

    when the elderly and at risk are vaccinated; we should see a significant reduction in those presenting at hospitals

    at some point during this vaccination program; we will need to stop caring so much about case numbers


  • #8394
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Where are these vaccines though? Not happening until Sept? That's 9 months away. The guts of another year from our lives living like this. We need to change tack.
    Actually we should see signs once the more vulnerable groups are vaccinated. One key aim is to protect against severe cases and to remove pressures from health systems.


  • #8395
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Indo saying restrictions could be extended for 6 weeks just before Paddy's Day. https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-now-facing-another-six-weeks-of-lockdown-as-uk-covid-strain-takes-hold-39997794.html?__twitter_impression=true Examiner saying March too https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40211993.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true In IT talk of quarantine if people don't have a negative test https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/passengers-arriving-into-republic-without-valid-pcr-tests-could-face-compulsory-quarantine-1.4464720?mode=amp

    Four, six, eight weeks makes no difference what they announce as they have no plans for opening anything before Easter

    May as well announce 8 with a review after 4 and get on with it


  • #8396
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Every page this same excuse over and over and over again defending this criminal government.

    Tell me again what measure is too strict and wouldnt fly here...in the face of all of life being locked down for almost a year now? People wont accept temporary stricter measures so they can beat the virus and go back to living faster, but they will accept endless lockdown with virus guaranteed to return?

    What kind of nonsense is this?
    I'm not defending this government.
    I'm saying calling for Zero Covid just because it has worked for 2 remote and isolated countries doesn't mean it would work in Ireland. These same excuses you hear over and over again, I've yet to hear a rational solution to get over them.
    It's just like position parties, scream for XYZ and you never have to provide a plan for it.

    We had a lockdown last March, in order to go for covid zero that lockdown would have to be a proper lockdown. No going outdoors for exercise, only 1 person per household allowed once a week out to shop. A strict list of those who can work, which is an extremely short list (no takeways open for example)

    Then as soon as 1 new case is detected in the community the whole country is back into that lockdown again.


  • #8397
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    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Where are these vaccines though? Not happening until Sept? That's 9 months away. The guts of another year from our lives living like this. We need to change tack. And we need a high uptake to get us to where we need to be.

    Its not though, as people get vaccinated we can reduce restrictions. Why have we suddenly changed the goalposts here? This is the worst possible time to have decided to go zero covid, when we actually have a plausible alternative.


  • #8398
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Zero covid was always possible but people didn't want to hear it. We had the advantage of being an island with a tiny land border but god forbid we do some outside the box thinking. Then again the summer trips to lake garda, the santa del hellholes and the south of France camping trip would have had to be cancelled oh the horror.


  • #8399
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Four, six, eight weeks makes no difference what they announce as they have no plans for opening anything before Easter

    May as well announce 8 with a review after 4 and get on with it

    Yup this announce the date and then move it again method has got fairly repetitive and tiresome tbh


  • #8400
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Zero covid was always possible but people didn't want to hear it. We had the advantage of being an island with a tiny land border but god forbid we do some outside the box thinking. Then again the summer trips to lake garda, the santa del hellholes and the south of France camping trip would have had to be cancelled oh the horror.

    We're 2 jurisdictions on the 1 Island. New Zealand is 1 spread out over 2 islands.
    That small border you mention is 500km long.... That's not small at all.
    You're dismissing a large issue (the border) as something trivial and small, or as you say.... tiny. How do you police a tiny border of 500km with 300 crossing points? Maybe build a wall? Could get Trumps wall cheap now that Joe Biden has stopped it.


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  • #8401
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    lawred2 wrote: »
    but that's the worst solution

    the best solution was and always is an all island solution

    I'd be more concerned with those political sensitivities that block all island solutions to all island problems..

    There were checkpoints during the Foot and Mouth crisis.


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