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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #8312
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Feel desperately sorry for those that were peaking right now. Sanita Puspure was as sure a bet for a gold medal as we’ve seen since Katie Taylor. Cannot imagine how disappointing that must be

    Behind closed doors should be an option?

    The TV rights should be valuable, no?


  • #8313
    [Deleted User]
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    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Behind closed doors should be an option?

    The TV rights should be valuable, no?

    Even with no spectators the number of people needed to run the olympics is huge. All the support staff for the athletes, people needed to run the venues and the logistics, the transport of the equipment (bikes, boats etc), the broadcasters, chefs, catering......it’s an industry even behind closed doors that kicks in well before the start of the games


  • #8314
    Stheno
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    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Going by 30,000 a week, we have just over 60,000 hotel rooms in Ireland. Enough for 2 weeks mandatory quarantine. If it's all couples the 60k capacity could be doubled. That's spread out over 800 hotels.
    How it would be enforced? We simply wouldn't have the Garda resources to enforce it. You would need over 3,000 Garda to police it.

    We've actually just under 150,000 hotel rooms

    https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1352321307489296384?s=19

    I suspect numbers coming in would drop hugely if there was enforced quarantine with checks so even that would be a start to reduce numbers coming in

    Plus it wouldn't have to be just hotels, if you actually followed up everyone everyday who were being quarantined wherever they are quarantining


  • #8315
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭plodder


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Zero covid is unquestionably a difficult policy to implement. There are enormous barriers to its success.
    But it's also far from impossible.

    I don't think we can do it alone. I'm not even sure how well it works if we can get an all island approach. I mean it would work, we're an island, but it has considerable downsides.
    I think we're waiting on one of the larger EU countries to push it, if not the EU itself.

    And on the off chance that happens, we'll all be in a much better place.
    Assuming an Ireland approach, quarantining airport arrivals would be possible, though listening to Stephen Donnelly this morning, it's clear the government doesn't have the appetite for it. But, the part I just don't get is international (roll-on, roll-off ) lorry drivers. What do you do with them? They don't have them in New Zealand or Australia. You can't quarantine the driver of every truck that enters the country, but if you don't quarantine everybody you can't do zero covid imo.


  • #8316
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Hard to believe it's been a whole year since the first thread on all this. I didn't take any bit of notice of the whole thing until the first case hit Ireland. Then I googled what it was all about and knew we were in trouble.


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  • #8317
    Quantum Erasure
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    One year ago today...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112321043
    LaFuton wrote: »
    new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA

    this is one to watch methinks, its in the americas now and can be transmitted person to person.
    is this the big plague or even a precursor to it.
    any budding virologist here got some links or info for us?

    Coming up on 32 main threads and nearly half a million posts later in this forum, and despite the rollout of vaccines having started, no real sign of it coming to an end any time soon.

    I remember the earlier threads, trying to find out the daily numbers coming out of Wuhan, and China as a whole, usually around 2am, and eventually coming across @BNODesk on twitter... haven't been a regular poster here in a long time, I was probably one of the realists, or doomsayers, at the time, i never imagined we'd end up where we are now


  • #8318
    TonyMaloney
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    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    12 years?

    Surely most of the current athletes will have retired

    Eh... yeah, most of the current crop will have retired by Tokyo 2032.

    But I'm reliably informed that not only are there numerous years between 2021 and 2032, but also numerous cities. Paris and LA for instance.

    Why not have have an olympic games in one of those cities in the mean time?


  • #8319
    TonyMaloney
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    plodder wrote: »
    Assuming an Ireland approach, quarantining airport arrivals would be possible, though listening to Stephen Donnelly this morning, it's clear the government doesn't have the appetite for it. But, the part I just don't get is international (roll-on, roll-off ) lorry drivers. What do you do with them? They don't have them in New Zealand or Australia. You can't quarantine the driver of every truck that enters the country, but if you don't quarantine everybody you can't do zero covid imo.

    zero covid is a poor name.

    feck all covid is closer to what the actual aim would be. Hopefully, in time, the countries those lorry drivers are passing through would also be FAC


  • #8320
    Wolf359f
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    Stheno wrote: »
    We've actually just under 150,000 hotel rooms

    https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1352321307489296384?s=19

    I suspect numbers coming in would drop hugely if there was enforced quarantine with checks so even that would be a start to reduce numbers coming in

    Plus it wouldn't have to be just hotels, if you actually followed up everyone everyday who were being quarantined wherever they are quarantining
    It's 60,000 hotel rooms with 147,000 bedspaces.
    https://www.failteireland.ie/FailteIreland/media/WebsiteStructure/Documents/3_Research_Insights/3_General_SurveysReports/Accommodation-Capacity-2019.pdf?ext=.pdf
    And yes with mandatory quarantine it would make the weekly arrival figures drop, but you would also have to account for Irish abroad coming home, some on work visa, some studying. Or just abandon them like Australia.

    There's no way you can contemplate a zero covid response if your going to rely on people self quaranting and random checkups. It could be easy to keep the public onside, but when the country goes into lockdown due to 1 case in the public... You'll loose them.


  • #8321
    Quantum Erasure
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    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Eh... yeah, most of the current crop will have retired by Tokyo 2032.

    But I'm reliably informed that not only are there numerous years between 2021 and 2032, but also numerous cities. Paris and LA for instance.

    Why not have have an olympic games in one of those cities in the mean time?

    I presume they'll host as planned in 2024 (Paris), and 2028 (Los Angeles), but give Tokyo the 2032 Olympics


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  • #8322
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    One year ago today...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112321043



    Coming up on 32 main threads and nearly half a million posts later in this forum, and despite the rollout of vaccines having started, no real sign of it coming to an end any time soon.

    I remember the earlier threads, trying to find out the daily numbers coming out of Wuhan, and China as a whole, usually around 2am, and eventually coming across @BNODesk on twitter... haven't been a regular poster here in a long time, I was probably one of the realists, or doomsayers, at the time, i never imagined we'd end up where we are now

    No real sign of it coming to an end anytime soon, but a lot of the posts on here (for the best part of last year) were doubting that a Vaccine would even be possible, it’s all about perspective and our prospects are good.


  • #8323
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Feel desperately sorry for those that were peaking right now. Sanita Puspure was as sure a bet for a gold medal as we’ve seen since Katie Taylor. Cannot imagine how disappointing that must be

    Sanita at 39. She can't hold that peak much longer.


  • #8324
    Stheno
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    Wolf359f wrote: »
    It's 60,000 hotel rooms with 147,000 bedspaces.
    https://www.failteireland.ie/FailteIreland/media/WebsiteStructure/Documents/3_Research_Insights/3_General_SurveysReports/Accommodation-Capacity-2019.pdf?ext=.pdf
    And yes with mandatory quarantine it would make the weekly arrival figures drop, but you would also have to account for Irish abroad coming home, some on work visa, some studying. Or just abandon them like Australia.

    There's no way you can contemplate a zero covid response if your going to rely on people self quaranting and random checkups. It could be easy to keep the public onside, but when the country goes into lockdown due to 1 case in the public... You'll loose them.

    Ah sorry I read that wrong

    There has to be some controls brought in tbh imo

    If that means a tiny amount of people can't come home for a short time I'm okay with that tbh


  • #8325
    bb1234567
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    We will soon be at the year anniversary of Europe's first COVID death..when Italy reported the first death on the continent on 21st of February. Wonder when the actual first death happened though, probably was quite a few across Europe before that.


  • #8326
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    maebee wrote: »
    Tokyo 2020 happening in Summer 2021 has been unlikely for months. Bit of a hop, skip and jump and we can all look forward to Tokyo 2020 happening in 2022.

    There is no way the Tokyo Olympics will be held in 2022 unless all future Games are pushed back as well which I don`t see happening. If they don`t go ahead this year most likely that will be it until Paris 2024.


  • #8327
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    plodder wrote: »
    Assuming an Ireland approach, quarantining airport arrivals would be possible, though listening to Stephen Donnelly this morning, it's clear the government doesn't have the appetite for it. But, the part I just don't get is international (roll-on, roll-off ) lorry drivers. What do you do with them? They don't have them in New Zealand or Australia. You can't quarantine the driver of every truck that enters the country, but if you don't quarantine everybody you can't do zero covid imo.

    The entire country is shut down, 700k out of work indefinitely. The idea that a solution for a few hundred lorry drivers cant be found to get around this is absurd. The only issue worth mentioning is the border.


  • #8328
    TonyMaloney
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    I presume they'll host as planned in 2024 (Paris), and 2028 (Los Angeles), but give Tokyo the 2032 Olympics

    I mean that's what I'd do, but perhaps Fintan is correct and they've cancelled the olympics for a decade for no reason.


  • #8329
    [Deleted User]
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    Arduach wrote: »
    Sanita at 39. She can't hold that peak much longer.

    She’s got a young family and I sure she’ll be thinking whether she even wants to try


  • #8330
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    snotboogie wrote: »
    The entire country is shut down, 700k out of work indefinitely. The idea that a solution for a few hundred lorry drivers cant be found to get around this is absurd. The only issue worth mentioning is the border.

    The issue of truck drivers is just one of many.
    You can't go looking for zero covid without an air tight plan.
    People ask for it but when some issues arise they dismiss them.
    Zero covid is like a house of cards, one small thing can bring it all down and your back to a lockdown again.


  • #8331
    hotmail.com
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    Prime Time had an Irish Times columnist on the panel tonight with no introduction as to what his background is or anything.


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  • #8332
    hotmail.com
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    The Green Party pride themselves on being the party of science and are in government...


  • #8333
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Don't often find myself agreeing with Niall..but he's right on this one.
    https://twitter.com/Niall_Boylan/status/1352406005217439744


  • #8334
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Eh... yeah, most of the current crop will have retired by Tokyo 2032.

    But I'm reliably informed that not only are there numerous years between 2021 and 2032, but also numerous cities. Paris and LA for instance.

    Why not have have an olympic games in one of those cities in the mean time?

    Or both of them even.


  • #8335
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    The issue of truck drivers is just one of many.
    You can't go looking for zero covid without an air tight plan.
    People ask for it but when some issues arise they dismiss them.
    Zero covid is like a house of cards, one small thing can bring it all down and your back to a lockdown again.

    no, that's us

    the zero covid countries are doing pretty ****ing well. we're the ones in constant bloody lockdown


  • #8336
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    The issue of truck drivers is just one of many.
    You can't go looking for zero covid without an air tight plan.
    People ask for it but when some issues arise they dismiss them.
    Zero covid is like a house of cards, one small thing can bring it all down and your back to a lockdown again.

    Taking the significance of the restrictions since April into account every issue brought up, aside from the border could be solved relatively easily. The frustration comes from the complete lack of a plan from government.

    You last point is demonstrably untrue, New Zealand, Australia, Thailand and China have all had slip ups and have returned to zero covid with far shorter restrictions on their populations than ours. Thailand had an outbreak just before the New Year and have nearly surpressed it already. They'll be back to full pubs, schools open and life as normal in mid February while we'll be looking at months of restrictions on the horizon with no clear end date.


  • #8337
    TonyMaloney
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    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Or both of them even.

    that's insane

    they're too far apart


  • #8338
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    HSE operations report 21/1.

    Covid cases hospitalised as of 8pm 1923 - increase from 1902.
    8 hospitals with over 100 cases.

    ICU confirmed Covid cases as of 6.30pm 211 - increase from 207.
    1 death in ICUs 24 hours up to 8am.
    Confirmed Covid cases ventilated 135 as of 6.30pm - increase from 126.

    Available ICU beds 30 as of 6.30pm.
    11 ICUs with no available beds.
    Total open and staffed ICU beds 339


  • #8339
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Taking the significance of the restrictions since April into account every issue brought up, aside from the border could be solved relatively easily. The frustration comes from the complete lack of a plan from government.

    You last point is demonstrably untrue, New Zealand, Australia, Thailand and China have all had slip ups and have returned to zero covid with far shorter restrictions on their populations than ours. Thailand had an outbreak just before the New Year and have nearly surpressed it already. They'll be back to full pubs, schools open and life as normal in mid February while we'll be looking at months of restrictions on the horizon with no clear end date.
    Australia had to breach human right laws to curb the spread the second time around. No clue how that would go down here with the ECHR. NZ had a very strick lockdown as did Australia, you really need to see exactly what people went through. For Ireland it wouldn't be a simple level 5 lockdown, it would be a **** load more strict. Again, if they don't have public buy in, it won't succeed. Look at all the hysteria that crops up around the exercise limit here. In Australia outdoor exercise was banned. Not a hope in hell that would work here.


  • #8340
    Arghus
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    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Don't often find myself agreeing with Niall..but he's right on this one.
    https://twitter.com/Niall_Boylan/status/1352406005217439744

    If we just step back for a moment and consider why they are doing this...

    Recent figures in the UK have suggested that as little as one in six people in The UK are coming forward to get tested.

    It seems to be a particular issue with people in work situations who can't afford to take time off without pay - the situation regarding payment if testing positive in the UK is confusing and broadly not working in the UK - in the event of a positive test, so people aren't getting tested and are going about their business and contributing to the difficulties in keeping infection numbers down.

    So the solution being proposed is to pay people that fixed amount if they test positive, which will (a)result in more accurate reporting of what's actually going on and (b)help to control the spread of disease if it results in swathes of Covid positive people who would have previously taken no appropriate action actually isolating and not inadvertently infecting others.

    So, yes, it'll cost the state money, but in net terms you'll still be better off because you'll actually hasten the end of this particular acute phase of the pandemic.

    It's not that different from how we pay people who test positive.

    The headline is dramatic and emotive, but if you look at it logically it makes sense.


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  • #8341
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    plodder wrote: »
    Assuming an Ireland approach, quarantining airport arrivals would be possible, though listening to Stephen Donnelly this morning, it's clear the government doesn't have the appetite for it. But, the part I just don't get is international (roll-on, roll-off ) lorry drivers. What do you do with them? They don't have them in New Zealand or Australia. You can't quarantine the driver of every truck that enters the country, but if you don't quarantine everybody you can't do zero covid imo.


    I'm not in favour of zero covid.
    But one way to get around the lorry driver problem is to

    1. Have separate drivers and probably tractor units either side of the ferry and only the trailers go on the boat.
    2. Would mean that very little goes via the landbridge because of the additional tractor units required for the bridge.
    I would imagine there are cost inneficiencies to this approach, but it's more cost effective than paying a driver to quarantine for 2 weeks every trip.


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