FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

markodaly · 22-01-2021 01:23AM

smurgen wrote: »

Also who are you to ask questions. Tell me. ?

Oh sorry, you mean you want the freedom to post lies, falsehoods and outright misinformation and NOT be called on it? Is that what you want?

Hilarious.

smurgen · 22-01-2021 01:25AM

markodaly wrote: »

LOL, a report from last SEPTEMBER!!!

Come off it, just do the Math on this. Today is the 21st of January 2021

1,671 deaths in NI
2,818 deaths in the ROI

NI Population 1.885 million
ROI Population 4.937 million

NI Deaths per million 886
ROI Deaths per million 567

Its a FACT!

Then again, you think in economics you can have negative Market Caps..still waiting for that nugget of an explanation.

Death per million skew in favor of the larger counties. Why do you think the likes of lichtenstein are always regarded as the worst? Besides the point anyway. We're still in the world's worst tables. Is that acceptable to you? Do you support criminal negligence by a government?

blanch152 · 22-01-2021 01:28AM

smurgen wrote: »

Death per million skew in favor of the larger counties. Why do you think the likes of lichtenstein are always regarded as the worst? Besides the point anyway. We're still in the world's worst tables. Is that acceptable to you? Do you support criminal negligence by a government?

Say what????

Can you explain this to me in simple English.

This is a candidate to beat Bowie’s explanation of developers building houses for the State on a non-profit basis.

Deaths per million skew in favour of the bigger states????????!!!!!?????

smurgen · 22-01-2021 01:30AM

markodaly wrote: »

Oh sorry, you mean you want the freedom to post lies, falsehoods and outright misinformation and NOT be called on it? Is that what you want?

Hilarious.

Answer the previous question please.

blanch152 · 22-01-2021 01:30AM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Members ,not TDs, you know who I'm on about and I suspect you knew both the victim and the coluders

This is a new one to me. I’m all ears, this thread seems to have gone into the Twilight Zone tonight.

blanch152 · 22-01-2021 01:33AM

smurgen wrote: »

"Disproportionate." Blood on his hands more like.

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1352229849054801920?s=19

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1352313605816000514?s=19

There aren’t enough hotel rooms, I already explained that to you, and you would be putting thousands of hotel workers at risk by forcing them to go back to work to look after them.

Your idea would kill more people than it would save.

smurgen · 22-01-2021 01:33AM

markodaly wrote: »

LOL, a report from last SEPTEMBER!!!

Come off it, just do the Math on this. Today is the 21st of January 2021

1,671 deaths in NI
2,818 deaths in the ROI

NI Population 1.885 million
ROI Population 4.937 million

NI Deaths per million 886
ROI Deaths per million 567

Its a FACT!

Then again, you think in economics you can have negative Market Caps..still waiting for that nugget of an explanation.

Ireland maths are wrong there chief without even looking into how false the numbers are. Must be one of them recently unemployed trump staffers!

blanch152 · 22-01-2021 01:36AM

smurgen wrote: »

Ireland maths are wrong there chief without even looking into how false the numbers are. Must be one of them recently unemployed trump staffers!

You haven’t answered the question on your imaginative interpretation of deaths per million statistics.

smurgen · 22-01-2021 01:37AM

Worth a listen. Shambles government exposed. Please God we're nearer the end of Covid and FFG everyday now.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1352306715513991168?s=09

markodaly · 22-01-2021 02:23AM

smurgen wrote: »

Death per million skew in favor of the larger counties.

Yes, that is why the UK is doing better than Ireland.... oh wait!

Do you support criminal negligence by a government?

Ill support that once you stop being a hypocrite and demand the same from SF as they are in government in the North. But no, you wont do that well, because... you are a hypocrite.

markodaly · 22-01-2021 02:26AM

smurgen wrote: »

Ireland maths are wrong there chief without even looking into how false the numbers are. Must be one of them recently unemployed trump staffers!

What exactly is wrong? I got the numbers from
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Northern_Ireland

So, where exactly am I wrong, or you just trying to save face, now that your lies have been exposed?

smurgen · 22-01-2021 09:17AM

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, that is why the UK is doing better than Ireland.... oh wait!

Ill support that once you stop being a hypocrite and demand the same from SF as they are in government in the North. But no, you wont do that well, because... you are a hypocrite.

Did you miss the part where I said you're comparing us to the worst in the world? What do you want a participatory medal for FFG?

smurgen · 22-01-2021 09:26AM

markodaly wrote: »

What exactly is wrong? I got the numbers from
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Northern_Ireland

So, where exactly am I wrong, or you just trying to save face, now that your lies have been exposed?

Show me the maths on the 567 number from the inputs you gave. 2,818 & 4.937m.

smurgen · 22-01-2021 09:28AM

Biden already given lessons in leadership. Good for american. The low standards of our government will really start to show soon.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1352348759565463555?s=19

Bishop of hope · 22-01-2021 09:55AM

smurgen wrote: »

Biden already given lessons in leadership. Good for american. The low standards of our government will really start to show soon.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1352348759565463555?s=19

He will be great, isn't it great to quote America now Trump is gone, God bless America.
What about our friends across the border?
It seems they're as much to blame as us here, where our (not naming them) opposition is in power.
It seems the high horse has a wonkey leg.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus/stormont-only-follows-advice-when-it-suits-them-and-now-look-where-we-are-39997243.html

McMurphy · 22-01-2021 10:24AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

He will be great, isn't it great to quote America now Trump is gone, God bless America.
What about our friends across the border?
It seems they're as much to blame as us here, where our (not naming them) opposition is in power.
It seems the high horse has a wonkey leg.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus/stormont-only-follows-advice-when-it-suits-them-and-now-look-where-we-are-39997243.html

What about whataboutery bish.

Is that Bobby Storeys corpse I see you shaking again?

We had our own funeral, by way of Garda Horkan, less you forget.

Pointing at others is silly, in that regard.

Bishop of hope · 22-01-2021 10:38AM

McMurphy wrote: »

What about whataboutery bish.

Is that Bobby Storeys corpse I see you shaking again?

We had our own funeral, by way of Garda Horkan, less you forget.

Pointing at others is silly, in that regard.

I just quoted the article Mc, the photo was on there.
But the article refers to the Xmas easing of restrictions there too.
The stories of mistakes is far and wide at this stage they all made them.
Mistakes in hindsight are easy to highlight on all sides.
Then you have the bunches like gathered outside the courts yesterday defying everybody's approach and that's just an example of the people prepared to do that, they're numerous and a lot more widespread than people think.
There's a hard fight on to get rid of this virus everywhere and statements and posts like what smurgen posted is as much undermining the efforts to control the disease as them people yesterday.
America and Biden, ffs, he's the president for a day and he's implying he has the virus under control nearly because he made a statement of intent.
Grow up lads and quit politicising it.

smurgen · 22-01-2021 11:04AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I just quoted the article Mc, the photo was on there.
But the article refers to the Xmas easing of restrictions there too.
The stories of mistakes is far and wide at this stage they all made them.
Mistakes in hindsight are easy to highlight on all sides.
Then you have the bunches like gathered outside the courts yesterday defying everybody's approach and that's just an example of the people prepared to do that, they're numerous and a lot more widespread than people think.
There's a hard fight on to get rid of this virus everywhere and statements and posts like what smurgen posted is as much undermining the efforts to control the disease as them people yesterday.
America and Biden, ffs, he's the president for a day and he's implying he has the virus under control nearly because he made a statement of intent.
Grow up lads and quit politicising it.

Quit politicising it. Far cry from the handled the covid well line early last year. Not saying biden is doing good but his immediate assertive action signing the US back into agreements and his intention to tackle Covid head on is in stark contrast to the lack of leadership by our politicians. A cannot versus a why not attitude.

McMurphy · 22-01-2021 11:07AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I just quoted the article Mc, the photo was on there.
But the article refers to the Xmas easing of restrictions there too.
The stories of mistakes is far and wide at this stage they all made them.
Mistakes in hindsight are easy to highlight on all sides.
Then you have the bunches like gathered outside the courts yesterday defying everybody's approach and that's just an example of the people prepared to do that, they're numerous and a lot more widespread than people think.
There's a hard fight on to get rid of this virus everywhere and statements and posts like what smurgen posted is as much undermining the efforts to control the disease as them people yesterday.
America and Biden, ffs, he's the president for a day and he's implying he has the virus under control nearly because he made a statement of intent.
Grow up lads and quit politicising it.

What's the gist of the article do you know?

All I see is the first few sentences, and a shiny picture of the Bobby Storey funeral. Do you have more context, or was the picture enough to seal the deal?

Bishop of hope · 22-01-2021 11:18AM

McMurphy wrote: »

What's the gist of the article do you know?

All I see is the first few sentences, and a shiny picture of the Bobby Storey funeral. Do you have more context, or was the picture enough to seal the deal?

It uses the storey funeral as the breakdown in consensus of approach in the north.
It doesn't include a naming and shaming of anyone other than stating the public health advice is, followed only when it suits politically, much the same as here really.
Not a scathing attack on either side, just an acknowledgement of what has happened.

FrancieBrady · 22-01-2021 11:26AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It uses the storey funeral as the breakdown in consensus of approach in the north.
It doesn't include a naming and shaming of anyone other than stating the public health advice is, followed only when it suits politically, much the same as here really.
Not a scathing attack on either side, just an acknowledgement of what has happened.

On the 'breakdown in concensus' line, try and figure out the political slants of the main newspapers in the north Bish. The 'funeral' is a handy one for the Unionist centric BT to point at...it ignores totally Arlene's divisive attempt to follow Boris's herd immunity strategy blindly...remember that? That is were the breakdown really happened.

McMurphy · 22-01-2021 11:38AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It uses the storey funeral as the breakdown in consensus of approach in the north.
It doesn't include a naming and shaming of anyone other than stating the public health advice is, followed only when it suits politically, much the same as here really.
Not a scathing attack on either side, just an acknowledgement of what has happened.

Did you actually read the article? I mean the actual article behind the paywall?

Bishop of hope · 22-01-2021 11:38AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

On the 'breakdown in concensus' line, try and figure out the political slants of the main newspapers in the north Bish. The 'funeral' is a handy one for the Unionist centric BT to point at...it ignores totally Arlene's divisive attempt to follow Boris's herd immunity strategy blindly...remember that? That is were the breakdown really happened.

The breakdown happened because people, including politicians of course, stopped following health experts advice.
They seen our politicians flout it, all of them, including SF, FF, FG etc etc and said fcuk this, if they can do it so can I.

I didn't, I have four kids in England and a grand child 9 months old whom I haven't seen since Xmas 19 except on whatsapp.
Because I can think for myself as they can and follow the health advice.
No politician is to thank for that or to blame for those that didn't heed it.

Bishop of hope · 22-01-2021 11:39AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Did you actually read the article? I mean the actual article behind the paywall?

If I didn't I'd hardly know anything about it would I!

FrancieBrady · 22-01-2021 11:43AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The breakdown happened because people, including politicians of course, stopped following health experts advice.
They seen our politicians flout it, all of them, including SF, FF, FG etc etc and said fcuk this, if they can do it so can I.

I didn't, I have four kids in England and a grand child 9 months old whom I haven't seen since Xmas 19 except on whatsapp.
Because I can think for myself as they can and follow the health advice.
No politician is to thank for that or to blame for those that didn't heed it.

The Health advice in the North was ok with the easing of restrictions at Christmas by the way.

Bish, the breakdown very clearly came at the begining in the bitter spats about who to follow. The DUP wanted to follow Boris...have you completely forgotten that? And the damage it done?
Have you no filter or do you always believe what you read?

NI as a state failed again because it split along idelogical lines at a time when the islands health was in critical need of action.

Bannasidhe · 22-01-2021 11:55AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Minister for Finance states Govt were selective in picking NPHET advice.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40211474.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I could almost feel sorry for the Cheerleaders for the Govt who will go to bat time and time again only to have the rug pulled from under them.

'Almost' because even when the fact are slapping them across the face they still try and defend the indefensible - long after members of that same govt have admitted mistakes were made.
And that tendency to defend at all costs is why we have unaccountability, why the same 2 parties have ruled the roost since the formation of the State, and why there is an absolute dearth of innovation in finding workable solutions to our many many problems.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Complete rubbish... what people like you seem to forget is the Govt. has to balance everything.

Being wise after the event is not a great talent, and this is what folk like you are good at.

Trying to balance every ones concerns is difficult, you seem to think that it’s about totally concentrating on the Virus eradication and forgetting about everything else... it would be great if we could do that .

It would be great if we could ignore schools, ignore businesses, ignore people’s mental health, ignore the countries economy , ignore people’s livelihoods.......and many more....

You seem to think that it’s great to feel sorry for people who point out this stuff and seem to use the pandemic as a tool to promulgate your, in my opinion, warped view about how this country is handling things.

Not perfect , but working hard to accommodate all interests and certainly not using the pandemic to promote their own ‘wise after the event’ brand of rubbish.

Exactly as expected.

Pascal admits govt did not follow NPHET advice. Is he a 'folk like me' who is 'wise after the event'?

The Cheerleader defence is to tell me what I think. What I am apparently promulgating. And generally launch an attack because I said that people would defend the original govt actions even after the govt has admitted they made mistakes.

Thanks BB for proving my point in such a ranty fashion.

smurgen · 22-01-2021 12:27PM

Government dragged kicking and screaming to enforce quarantine. They have trailed public sentiment and expert advice at all times. Remember the signatures gathered to cancel Patrick's day last year by the public? The scientific and medical community are coming out in droves now for quarantine and travel restrictions.

https://twitter.com/TodaywithClaire/status/1352559382786146304?s=19

Bishop of hope · 22-01-2021 12:41PM

smurgen wrote: »

Government dragged kicking and screaming to enforce quarantine. They have trailed public sentiment and expert advice at all times. Remember the signatures gathered to cancel Patrick's day last year by the public? The scientific and medical community are coming out in droves now for quarantine and travel restrictions.

https://twitter.com/TodaywithClaire/status/1352559382786146304?s=19

Close the border?

Bannasidhe · 22-01-2021 12:52PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Close the border?

It's one option.
Which there is precedence for - 2001 Border was sealed so cattle didn't get sick
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/border-sealed-as-foot-and-mouth-campaign-intensifies-1.375434.

A better option would be an all Ireland approach. Keep the border with NI open but have quarantine for those arriving into the island of Ireland.

The UK govt is considering closing it's borders.
Wales already closed it's borders to people from other parts of the UK.

It would make sense for ROI and NI to close at the same time under the same rules esp if Westminster does decided to close UK borders.

blanch152 · 22-01-2021 01:03PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It's one option.
Which there is precedence for - 2001 Border was sealed so cattle didn't get sick
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/border-sealed-as-foot-and-mouth-campaign-intensifies-1.375434.

A better option would be an all Ireland approach. Keep the border with NI open but have quarantine for those arriving into the island of Ireland.

The UK govt is considering closing it's borders.
Wales already closed it's borders to people from other parts of the UK.

It would make sense for ROI and NI to close at the same time under the same rules esp if Westminster does decided to close UK borders.

We can't control what happens in Northern Ireland. There is great political difficulty in closing the border with Northern Ireland. Apart from the threats from good republicans if that happens, we have invested huge political capital over the last half-decade in the idea that the border is uncontrollable in the Brexit context. If we can close it for people, were we lying about closing it for goods?

FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

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