The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

blanch152 · 21-01-2021 06:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its quite literally the same skillset and tradespeople used :pac:

That tells us how much you know about both.

Unless there are social tenants regularly knocking down walls, there are not many bricklayers employed by councils in maintenance.

blanch152 · 21-01-2021 06:32PM

jm08 wrote: »

And thats why they reformed the Housing Executive so that it could actually secure private finance as well. (remember, some were slagging off SF for allowing this to happen)!

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/success-on-housing-in-north-could-be-sinn-f%C3%A9in-s-route-to-government-in-south-1.4400175?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fsuccess-on-housing-in-north-could-be-sinn-f%25C3%25A9in-s-route-to-government-in-south-1.4400175

https://www.irishnews.com/business/2020/12/29/news/building-on-the-success-of-social-housing-2169557/

Hang on a minute, the North is six times worse than the South in terms of homelessness, and you are saying it has better housing policies, am I reading this right?

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 06:33PM

blanch152 wrote: »

That tells us how much you know about both.

Unless there are social tenants regularly knocking down walls, there are not many bricklayers employed by councils in maintenance.

You are chastising somebdy and YOU think the only person involved in a build is a brickie?

21-01-2021 06:33PM

blanch152 wrote: »

That tells us how much you know about both.

Unless there are social tenants regularly knocking down walls, there are not many bricklayers employed by councils in maintenance.

i literally know blocklayers,carpenters,plumbers in the council

Replacing fireplaces,retrofitting for wheelchairs,widening/narrowing windows etc etc....your blowing smoke mate

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 06:34PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Hang on a minute, the North is six times worse than the South in terms of homelessness, and you are saying it has better housing policies, am I reading this right?

How many times does that nonsense have to be debunked?

blanch152 · 21-01-2021 06:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are chastising somebdy and YOU think the only person involved in a build is a brickie?

No, I don't, I was giving ONE example of the type of trade that isn't involved in maintenance in councils.

I will give you one more - crane operators needed to build apartment blocks. Maybe you think the councils have a few lads hanging around the back for a smoke who could do the job.

blanch152 · 21-01-2021 06:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

if the south was to use the same criteria as the north,our homeless figures would be circa 100K

Destroyed by facts and logic:D

Facts? Please provide a link to an official report that agrees with you.

CrazyFather1 · 21-01-2021 06:37PM

jm08 wrote: »

And thats why they reformed the Housing Executive so that it could actually secure private finance as well. (remember, some were slagging off SF for allowing this to happen)!

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/success-on-housing-in-north-could-be-sinn-f%C3%A9in-s-route-to-government-in-south-1.4400175?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fsuccess-on-housing-in-north-could-be-sinn-f%25C3%25A9in-s-route-to-government-in-south-1.4400175

https://www.irishnews.com/business/2020/12/29/news/building-on-the-success-of-social-housing-2169557/

Current Ireland number are just over 8,000
https://www.focusireland.ie/resource-hub/latest-figures-homelessness-ireland/

Current NI numbers are over 4,000(this is just monthly)
https://www.communities-ni.gov.uk/system/files/publications/communities/ni-housing-bulletin-jul-sep20.pdf

Make of the numbers you want. But population in Northern Ireland is 1.8m and Rep of Ireland is 4.7m. Neither government should be holding themselves up as a shining light do you not think?

Edit*
Sorry wrong doc, The last report from NI had them at 7900 homeless
https://www.communities-ni.gov.uk/system/files/publications/communities/ni-homelessness-bulletin-jan-jun-2020.pdf

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 06:39PM

blanch152 wrote: »

No, I don't, I was giving ONE example of the type of trade that isn't involved in maintenance in councils.

I will give you one more - crane operators needed to build apartment blocks. Maybe you think the councils have a few lads hanging around the back for a smoke who could do the job.

If a bricklayer is required for maintenance (And they are frequently) they are cntracted in, just like many building companies do...to BUILD HOUSES.

You claimed to know what you were talking about...you don't.

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 06:41PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Facts? Please provide a link to an official report that agrees with you.

Jesus...why does this keep needing to be done. As was shown to you the last time you claimed this:

False. While the official figures are that just under 20,000 households presented as homeless in Northern Ireland in 2018, only 12,512 met the legal requirements of homelessness and were accepted as “full duty applicants”.

It is simply not possible to compare the two systems - or sets of figures - because of the significant differences in approach, methodology and criteria.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/election-2020-fact-check-how-many-people-are-homeless-in-northern-ireland-1.4162666

CrazyFather1 · 21-01-2021 06:43PM

Sorry this is the correct report for NI. No update till March 2021. This is Jan - Jun 2020
https://www.communities-ni.gov.uk/system/files/publications/communities/ni-homelessness-bulletin-jan-jun-2020.pdf

tikkahunter · 21-01-2021 06:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

i literally know blocklayers,carpenters,plumbers in the council

Replacing fireplaces,retrofitting for wheelchairs,widening/narrowing windows etc etc....your blowing smoke mate

So do i , my mates actually and if their boss asked them to build a house they would tell him to **** off it is not their job . They are there to do a bit of patching up and minor work thats about it . They would have to employ bricklayers on specific contracts to build houses . Then they open a can of worms with unions.

jm08 · 21-01-2021 07:08PM

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

Current Ireland number are just over 8,000
https://www.focusireland.ie/resource-hub/latest-figures-homelessness-ireland/

Current NI numbers are over 4,000(this is just monthly)
https://www.communities-ni.gov.uk/system/files/publications/communities/ni-housing-bulletin-jul-sep20.pdf

Make of the numbers you want. But population in Northern Ireland is 1.8m and Rep of Ireland is 4.7m. Neither government should be holding themselves up as a shining light do you not think?

Edit*
Sorry wrong doc, The last report from NI had them at 7900 homeless
https://www.communities-ni.gov.uk/system/files/publications/communities/ni-homelessness-bulletin-jan-jun-2020.pdf

They have just reformed the Housing Executive a few months ago. And if you read Newton Emerson's article in the Irish Times you will realise that even the DUP supported this. From what I understand, this is the first time that SF got the Housing Portfolio in NI and have immediately tackled the problems that they have (lack of funding).

jm08 · 21-01-2021 07:12PM

tikkahunter wrote: »

So do i , my mates actually and if their boss asked them to build a house they would tell him to **** off it is not their job . They are there to do a bit of patching up and minor work thats about it . They would have to employ bricklayers on specific contracts to build houses . Then they open a can of worms with unions.

Whats the issue in employing people on contract for to build houses. Is that not what developers do?

What can of worms with the unions?

Brendan Bendar · 21-01-2021 07:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Further proof its time to wind down stormont and reunify our island

This is the rubbish that we have to put up with.

“Time to wind down Stormont and reunify our island”

Just like that.... just horse it out , ignore the folk who don’t want it, the economic difficulties, the probable violence, the cost to our country.

Nooo problem... ignore all the side issues .... shure we will just do it.

Where do these people come from.......

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 07:33PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

This is the rubbish that we have to put up with.

“Time to wind down Stormont and reunify our island”

Just like that.... just horse it out , ignore the folk who don’t want it, the economic difficulties, the probable violence, the cost to our country.

Nooo problem... ignore all the side issues .... shure we will just do it.

Where do these people come from.......

Nobody bothered too much about those who didn't want partition, then or now, on both sides of the border.

Brendan Bendar · 21-01-2021 07:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody bothered too much about those who didn't want partition, then or now, on both sides of the border.

That’s why foolish comments like that are........ well ...... foolish.

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 08:17PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

That’s why foolish comments like that are........ well ...... foolish.

How come? Partition is still causing huge issues.

Brendan Bendar · 21-01-2021 08:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How come? Partition is still causing huge issues.

“Huge issues”.......

What huge issues?

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 08:29PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

“Huge issues”.......

What huge issues?

Start by asking the British, Boris, Theresa May, then go see Micheal Barnier and EU negotiators, then take a walk along the border, and finish having a chat with hauliers, farmers and businesses on both sides of the border.

I'm sure you know the headaches it caused Simon and Helen, so no need to chat to them.

When you are done with that we'll go through the island health issues and round off with a history of the issues it caused. Bring sandwiches and a change of clothes.

Brendan Bendar · 21-01-2021 09:10PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Start by asking the British, Boris, Theresa May, then go see Micheal Barnier and EU negotiators, then take a walk along the border, and finish having a chat with hauliers, farmers and businesses on both sides of the border.

I'm sure you know the headaches it caused Simon and Helen, so no need to chat to them.

When you are done with that we'll go through the island health issues and round off with a history of the issues it caused. Bring sandwiches and a change of clothes.

So... would we need input from the ‘ good Republicans’.

Could we get a ‘send off’ with a 10 litre of ‘washed’’.

Get us down to Castlebellingham so it would , hi.

And a note saying , Don’t come back here, we’re doin’ just fine.

NovemberWren · 21-01-2021 09:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

arent crane companies hired in at x per day?.....bit like claiming council dont have cement lorries there,and showing a bizzare lack of undersranding of the construction industry

Have the counils civil engineers,q surveyors working for them anyway already?

They have housing inspectors (I think for when new housing is built, then to inspect and ascertain building standards).
They do have Engineers, (c.E90k?), but it is impossible to know how many or the defined responsibilities.
And 100% impossible to speak to to query any of them about an area.

At this stage I really think that they are there to up-ramp the Council's own bureaucratic (and national) importance and expenditure/authority.
They are needed as Civic Engineering representatives, as they know the local terrains, but it does seem they operate in some Hoi-Polloi echelon, when they must entertain their pals in the wealthy building private sector who tender for Council Contracts.
They are only slightly aware of ordinary people.

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 09:20PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

So... would we need input from the ‘ good Republicans’.

Could we get a ‘send off’ with a 10 litre of ‘washed’’.

Get us down to Castlebellingham so it would , hi.

And a note saying , Don’t come back here, we’re doin’ just fine.

Still think partition hasn't caused huge issues? That post shows it has caused you huge issues, you hardly mention anything else on here.

Brendan Bendar · 21-01-2021 09:28PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Still think partition hasn't caused huge issues? That post shows it has caused you huge issues, you hardly mention anything else on here.

Mea culpa Francie, mea culpa.... Lookit , over Forty Thousand posts,I realise it’s your life.... I’ll back out of this particular engagement.

You certainly know more than I do on this.

Stay safe, a chara.

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 09:31PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Mea culpa Francie, mea culpa.... Lookit , over Forty Thousand posts,I realise it’s your life.... I’ll back out of this particular engagement.

You certainly know more than I do on this.

Stay safe, a chara.

Par for the course with you Brendi. Scratch the surface and there is no substance to your position, Just defend and insult.

Brendan Bendar · 21-01-2021 09:33PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Par for the course with you Brendi. Scratch the surface and there is no substance to your position, Just defend and insult.

Have’nt six or seven months to spare Mr B.

Things to do, people to meet.

I wish you the best.

blanch152 · 22-01-2021 01:38AM

jm08 wrote: »

Whats the issue in employing people on contract for to build houses. Is that not what developers do?

What can of worms with the unions?

Employing people on contract is subject to restrictions under the national pay agreements with the unions. It wouldn’t be possible in this case.

jm08 · 22-01-2021 03:19AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Employing people on contract is subject to restrictions under the national pay agreements with the unions. It wouldn’t be possible in this case.

What kind of restrictions?

tikkahunter · 22-01-2021 09:39AM

jm08 wrote: »

What kind of restrictions?

Have you ever worked in a job that has a union ? like lets just say Billy bricklayer that has worked for the corpo for years now has been happy tipping along patching up wrecked houses , building the odd little wall here and there for 40 k a year .Now they bring in Johnny the bricklayer who is going to start building houses but no way he will work for 40 k a year he wants 70k .So if the corpo give Johnny 70k (which they wont because of pay scales but lets just pretend here)then Billy will want parity but will not build houses as its not in his job description and he hasn't done that since he started in the corpo . So now what do the corpo do ? Bring in Johnny on 40 k and tell him to build a house? Because that is when the union will step in and say sorry Johnny can come in on 40 k but his job description will be the same as billys and billy does not build houses. Does Eoin not know this - like he wrote a book dont you know. You can find it in the fiction section in Easons , Its like Louise O Reilly talking about health and Pharma companies , both know very little about either but will just shout out what everyone wants to hear without actually knowing if it will work.

marieholmfan · 22-01-2021 11:24AM

This is classic - 'don't listen to the experts stuff' This kind of wilfull stupidity delivered Brexit and Trump.

Tikkahunter your opinion is worthless.

There is a such a thing as expertise, we know Eoin O'Broin has it and as presented here you don't.

It's pretty clear that FG want to remodel themselves after the English Tories as the 'stupid party' and as the below indicated there is no shortage of idiots in this country.

tikkahunter wrote: »

Have you ever worked in a job that has a union ? like lets just say Billy bricklayer that has worked for the corpo for years now has been happy tipping along patching up wrecked houses , building the odd little wall here and there for 40 k a year .Now they bring in Johnny the bricklayer who is going to start building houses but no way he will work for 40 k a year he wants 70k .So if the corpo give Johnny 70k (which they wont because of pay scales but lets just pretend here)then Billy will want parity but will not build houses as its not in his job description and he hasn't done that since he started in the corpo . So now what do the corpo do ? Bring in Johnny on 40 k and tell him to build a house? Because that is when the union will step in and say sorry Johnny can come in on 40 k but his job description will be the same as billys and billy does not build houses. Does Eoin not know this - like he wrote a book dont you know. You can find it in the fiction section in Easons , Its like Louise O Reilly talking about health and Pharma companies , both know very little about either but will just shout out what everyone wants to hear without actually knowing if it will work.

The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

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