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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #8042
    seamie78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭seamie78


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Fully agree

    Why should she have to lie?

    fair point, but testing capacity isn't there. Doesn't excuse what she is doing for a second. it is as bad as continuing about your business if you were a confirmed case


  • #8043
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,733 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    seamus wrote: »
    Jaysus, when I read it, the last thing I though was, "That means they'll exclude non-citizens". Can't wait for the days when people have more to be worrying about than the simple misuse of a turn of phrase.
    first thing i thought of

    maybe if your not a citizen it has more meaning

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #8044
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    With close contacts not being tested it's not going to improve

    Friend of mine tested positive this week ( cold symptoms, would never you stop you from working etc ) and his wife has no symptoms and couldn't get a test unless she had, she's been in work all week and can't get social welfare payment unless she has a postive test, they are paying €2000 pm rent in Dublin and though it's wrong to go to work,she's not going to lie and say she has symptoms, when she hasn't to get a test. Goverment need to cop on
    It's a vicious circle. While people are testing positive in such large numbers contacts testing cannot practically function. Under 2,000 they are expected to resume.


  • #8045
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Eod100 wrote: »
    ''Holohan warns of up to 1,000 Covid-19 deaths in January, calls for tighter air travel rules''

    That's for the whole month. Was written on this day last week, 14th January. There's been 539 deaths so far.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/holohan-warns-of-up-to-1-000-covid-19-deaths-in-january-calls-for-tighter-air-travel-rules-1.4464294
    It's kind of incredible how the IT are framing this when the letter was written a week ago.
    The modelling also suggests peak demand for hospital care will occur in the coming days with 2,000-2,400 people in hospital, with 250-300 people in ICU.
    We're past the hospital peak. The letter was correct - peak demand did occur "in the coming days" following that letter.

    They are reporting information that's out-of-date and presenting it as new.

    1,000 deaths by the end of the month is about 44/day. That seems to be still be about right, unfortunately. We should count ourselves fortunate if it comes in much below that.

    I would like to know at this stage what the barriers are to mandatory quarantines for airline arrivals. How many "key supply chain" travellers can there really be on an aircraft?


  • #8046
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Her work want's a positive to test

    Some people are still managed by clowns

    Her work can sing for it. She doesn't need her work to approve it to get social welfare. Her work dont have a leg to stand on if they insist on a positive test. Staying home is also the moral thing to do

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/disability_and_illness/covid19_enhanced_illness_benefit.html#:~:text=Illness%20Benefit%20contact%20centre,3300%20or%201890%20928%20400.


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  • #8047
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Eod100 wrote: »
    ''Holohan warns of up to 1,000 Covid-19 deaths in January, calls for tighter air travel rules''

    That's for the whole month. Was written on this day last week, 14th January. There's been 539 deaths so far.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/holohan-warns-of-up-to-1-000-covid-19-deaths-in-january-calls-for-tighter-air-travel-rules-1.4464294

    I can't remember what account did it (I'm getting lost among all the Covid-19 data analysis accounts these days) but someone on twitter took the test data from the first week of January, and adjusted for age before applying the known Irish fatality rates to the numbers. It predicted almost 300 deaths just from that weeks cases. Now add to that the deaths from people who tested positive before that week, and the week afterwards, we're in for a few weeks of grim death figures at this rate.


  • #8048
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Eod100 wrote: »
    ''Holohan warns of up to 1,000 Covid-19 deaths in January, calls for tighter air travel rules''

    That's for the whole month. Was written on this day last week, 14th January. There's been 539 deaths so far.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/holohan-warns-of-up-to-1-000-covid-19-deaths-in-january-calls-for-tighter-air-travel-rules-1.4464294

    Everytime the goverment have deviated from the scientific advice it has been a disaster. They have to take nphets advice now or more lives and livelihoods will be lost.

    We will never get this virus under control without properly controlling travel.


  • #8049
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Her work want's a positive to test

    Some people are still managed by clowns
    The first post you blamed the government because she couldn't get it and now its her work?

    Anyway regardless, its not up to her work. They won't have a leg to stand on.

    If signed off by a GP thats all thats needed


  • #8050
    techdiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭techdiver


    zuutroy wrote: »
    RTE at it again. Front page headline:

    "Retail sectors 'likely' to stay shut until end of May"

    Text of article:

    "Taoiseach Micheál Martin has not explicitly ruled out the idea of restaurants being shut until May or even longer."

    Modern news and media organisation are competing with social media so now it's more important than ever to get clicks. Responsible news reporting doesn't get you this so we are left with what we now have as a result.

    They will argue that they are not reporting bad information and semantically they are not, but they do straddle the line between reality and fiction at times.


  • #8051
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Her work can sing for it. She doesn't need her work to approve it to get social welfare. Her work dont have a leg to stand on if they insist on a positive test. Staying home is also the moral thing to do

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/disability_and_illness/covid19_enhanced_illness_benefit.html#:~:text=Illness%20Benefit%20contact%20centre,3300%20or%201890%20928%20400.

    They also want a negative test to come back to work, if she is positive.

    Feel sorry for them, as they have 2 kids and renting in Dublin


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  • #8052
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    techdiver wrote: »
    Modern news and media organisation are competing with social media so now it's more important than ever to get clicks. Responsible news reporting doesn't get you this so we are left with what we now have as a result.

    They will argue that they are not reporting bad information and semantically they are not, but they do straddle the line between reality and fiction at times.

    Headline says Retail Sector could stay closed until End of February. Can't really consider that misleading.

    Agree with your overall point though. Problem existed long before social media though. Social media and click bait just exacerbated it. Tabloids were always popular for a reason. It was even acceptable in secondary school to teach us how to write articles in both styles.


  • #8053
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    HSE briefing just started.


  • #8054
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The first post you blamed the government because she couldn't get it and now its her work?

    Anyway regardless, its not up to her work. They won't have a leg to stand on.

    If signed off by a GP thats all thats needed

    Yes it's a bit ridiculous alright, it's a small take away, not exaclty a multinational company, she doesn't want to lose her job, been there years

    In summary

    Government won't give her a test because she has no symptoms, she will have to lie and say she does

    Her work won't accept she's out with Covid without a positive test, has to lie to get it

    Her work won't let her back without a negative test if she is positive, she can't even get one test without lieing and now needs 2, a positive and a negative


  • #8055
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Leo confirms a third of current covid hospital cases picked up the virus while in hospital. I know its a contagious virus but this seems very high. I wonder how it compares to other countries.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/


  • #8056
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Yes it's a bit ridiculous alright, it's a small take away, not exaclty a multinational company, she doesn't want to lose her job, been there years

    In summary

    Government won't give her a test because she has no symptoms, she will have to lie and say she does

    Her work won't accept she's out with Covid without a positive test, has to lie to get it

    Her work won't let her back without a negative test if she is positive, she can't even get a test one test without lieing and now needs 2, a positive and a negative

    Again her work wouldn't have a leg to stand on, she's a close contact and advised to restrict movements which allows access to the pandemic illness benefit.

    Going to work is grossly irresponsible.

    If they tried to get rid of her she could take them to the cleaners for unfair dismissal


  • #8057
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    We've all had to go to work sick during this pandemic, right? that's just how employers are? who on earth was allowed stay home without a positive test and can I get a job there?


  • #8058
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    Beasty wrote: »
    Threads merged

    Why

    It's totally unrelated?

    Origin thread shouldn't be in here

    Why can't it have it's own thread?


  • #8059
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    What has shocked me the most has been the level of total and complete placidity about this from the populace.

    Mind you not obedience and actual adherence to the rules - if they had done that at least the cases would not be this high.

    But just total docile acceptance to every last snap of the fingers of Tony and his lackies. In many many other countries, people are protesting and demanding clarity and organization. I'm not talking about anti-mask crazies, I'm talking about people who can see how monstrously damaging the response from world governments, including the one here, have been.

    The government and the people are both screwing things up, and neither is holding the other accountable (no real enforcement from gov, no protests from the people).


  • #8060
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    Klonker wrote: »
    Leo confirms a third of current covid hospital cases picked up the virus while in hospital. I know its a contagious virus but this seems very high. I wonder how it compares to other countries.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/


    We still don't have enough PPE for healthcare workers but people aren't talking about it anymore? or am I wrong?

    you almost need a hazmat suit if you don't want to catch it, and that's with the old variant! look at that one hospital who managed to not pass it around: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-italian-covid-19-hospital-where-no-medics-have-been-infected-11966344


  • #8061
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Again her work wouldn't have a leg to stand on, she's a close contact and advised to restrict movements which allows access to the pandemic illness benefit.

    Going to work is grossly irresponsible.

    If they tried to get rid of her she could take them to the cleaners for unfair dismissal

    True

    I wouldn't put up with it, but she has sadly.


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  • #8062
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    The_Brood wrote: »
    What has shocked me the most has been the level of total and complete placidity about this from the populace.

    Mind you not obedience and actual adherence to the rules - if they had done that at least the cases would not be this high.

    But just total docile acceptance to every last snap of the fingers of Tony and his lackies. In many many other countries, people are protesting and demanding clarity and organization. I'm not talking about anti-mask crazies, I'm talking about people who can see how monstrously damaging the response from world governments, including the one here, have been.

    The government and the people are both screwing things up, and neither is holding the other accountable (no real enforcement from gov, no protests from the people).

    If you go against lockdown your a crazy

    Just the way it is

    Put on your green jersey and stay home


  • #8063
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ICU total including COVID is now at 341, very close to the maximum 350 the HSE has alluded to.


  • #8064
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    We've all had to go to work sick during this pandemic, right? that's just how employers are? who on earth was allowed stay home without a positive test and can I get a job there?

    *confused face*

    No that's not the case at all.


  • #8065
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,473 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The_Brood wrote: »
    What has shocked me the most has been the level of total and complete placidity about this from the populace.

    Mind you not obedience and actual adherence to the rules - if they had done that at least the cases would not be this high.

    But just total docile acceptance to every last snap of the fingers of Tony and his lackies. In many many other countries, people are protesting and demanding clarity and organization. I'm not talking about anti-mask crazies, I'm talking about people who can see how monstrously damaging the response from world governments, including the one here, have been.

    The government and the people are both screwing things up, and neither is holding the other accountable (no real enforcement from gov, no protests from the people).

    Irish people don't protest. The Irish Water protesters were hammered by the establishment even though they had very valid reasons to protest e.g. privatisation.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #8066
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    Klonker wrote: »
    Leo confirms a third of current covid hospital cases picked up the virus while in hospital. I know its a contagious virus but this seems very high. I wonder how it compares to other countries.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/

    If anyone has been into a hospital in a while you wouldn't be surprised

    Had to take my daughter into one recently and I noticed.

    Canteens were open, staff eating lunch and drinking coffee, smoking section was open, few in there, one entrance for the hospital.

    Consultant we came to see after scans done took off her mask in her office talking to us, couldn't believe it, but said nothing as she has been brillant to us.

    Virus is airbourne I believe


  • #8067
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    is_that_so wrote: »
    ICU total including COVID is now at 341, very close to the maximum 350 the HSE has alluded to.

    That is actually quite scary.


  • #8068
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    We've all had to go to work sick during this pandemic, right? that's just how employers are? who on earth was allowed stay home without a positive test and can I get a job there?


    Where I work, we've been instructed not to even consider entering the building if we have any symptoms at all (even if we're as definite as can be that it's a cold/flu). This was back in level 3 days (we're all working from home now).


    It would be lovely if this was the case in normal winters, rather than somebody inevitably bringing in a cold and infecting everybody (thereby directly impacting on productivity).


  • #8069
    Purple Papillon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Purple Papillon


    The_Brood wrote: »
    What has shocked me the most has been the level of total and complete placidity about this from the populace.

    Mind you not obedience and actual adherence to the rules - if they had done that at least the cases would not be this high.

    But just total docile acceptance to every last snap of the fingers of Tony and his lackies. In many many other countries, people are protesting and demanding clarity and organization. I'm not talking about anti-mask crazies, I'm talking about people who can see how monstrously damaging the response from world governments, including the one here, have been.

    The government and the people are both screwing things up, and neither is holding the other accountable (no real enforcement from gov, no protests from the people).

    Protesting the restrictions will get you nowhere except possibly sick, diseased or dead.


  • #8070
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Turtwig wrote: »
    That is actually quite scary.
    Yeah, he was very calm about it, like they have a plan for above that number, hopefully one don't have to go to.


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  • #8071
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    The_Brood wrote: »
    What has shocked me the most has been the level of total and complete placidity about this from the populace.

    Mind you not obedience and actual adherence to the rules - if they had done that at least the cases would not be this high.

    But just total docile acceptance to every last snap of the fingers of Tony and his lackies. In many many other countries, people are protesting and demanding clarity and organization. I'm not talking about anti-mask crazies, I'm talking about people who can see how monstrously damaging the response from world governments, including the one here, have been.

    The government and the people are both screwing things up, and neither is holding the other accountable (no real enforcement from gov, no protests from the people).

    examples?


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