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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #8012
    mcsean2163
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    Hasn't the US Secretaty Of State basically confirmed it's zoonotic and was an accidental leak from the Bio Safety 4 Lab in Wuhan?

    He's being sanctioned for it

    I don't think we will ever get direct proof of the origin in our lifetimes.

    Hopefully covid19 will become less politicised in the absence of Trump.

    Great article from the Economist here:

    https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/05/02/the-pieces-of-the-puzzle-of-covid-19s-origin-are-coming-to-light

    A strain called ratg13 gathered in the same cave in Yunnan shares 96% of its genetic sequence with the new virus. ratg13 is not that virus’s ancestor. It is something more like its cousin. Edward Holmes, a virologist at the University of Sydney, estimates that the 4% difference between the two represents at least 20 years of evolutionary divergence from some common antecedent, and probably something more like 50.

    If they could find an intermediary strain between ratg13and covid19 it'd go a long way to solving the mystery, IMHO.


  • #8013
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Datacore wrote: »
    Try getting registered! Whole thing breaks down to huge variation between regional health administrations.
    Make sure that your documents are up to date so that you are in the system and they know how to find you. That means ensuring you are on the padron at your latest address and that you are registered with your local medical centre.

    I suppose like everywhere there'll be some legwork that you'll have to do yourself

    Registering on the systems of the country you live in is a requirement of all no matter where you are and doesn't fall down on citizenship lines..


  • #8014
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    lawred2 wrote: »
    they've a better public health system than most

    the notion that they'd engage in a discriminatory part vaccination program is hilarious

    What I’m talking about is COMMUNICATION and if you get that wrong those are the kinds of messages that get absorbed / malabsorbed.

    Obviously everything is perfect though and nobody is in anyway confused.

    Great to have been told to shut my cake hole and never complain about our perfect systems ever again.


  • #8015
    dashoonage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,140 ✭✭✭dashoonage


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    Donnelly saying everyone in the country to be vaccinated by September.

    Which September?


  • #8016
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Datacore wrote: »
    What I’m talking about is COMMUNICATION and if you get that wrong those are the kinds of messages that get absorbed / malabsorbed.

    Obviously everything is perfect though and nobody is in anyway confused.

    Great to have been told to shut my cake hole and never complain about our perfect systems ever again.

    but nobody is or was confused

    the wording was clarified moments later

    If it took them a few days/weeks to correct the message; then you'd have a point. But you're getting all excited about a few minutes.


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  • #8017
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Datacore wrote: »
    What I’m talking about is COMMUNICATION and if you get that wrong those are the kinds of messages that get absorbed / malabsorbed.

    Obviously everything is perfect though and nobody is in anyway confused.

    Great to have been told to shut my cake hole and never complain about our perfect systems ever again.


    Yes, communication skills are very important.


  • #8018
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    dashoonage wrote: »
    Which September?

    another failure of communication!? should have been clear that he meant this year. Otherwise people could be getting all confused.


  • #8019
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    dashoonage wrote: »
    Which September?

    September this year of course.


  • #8020
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Gp referral data is out:

    Progress seems to be slowing, similar numbers to yesterday and about 20% lower than the same day last week.

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-01-21_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf


  • #8021
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Glastonbury 2021 cancelled


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  • #8022
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    mcsean2163 wrote: »
    Hopefully covid19 will become less politicised in the absence of Trump.

    Great article from the Economist here:

    https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/05/02/the-pieces-of-the-puzzle-of-covid-19s-origin-are-coming-to-light

    A strain called ratg13 gathered in the same cave in Yunnan shares 96% of its genetic sequence with the new virus. ratg13 is not that virus’s ancestor. It is something more like its cousin. Edward Holmes, a virologist at the University of Sydney, estimates that the 4% difference between the two represents at least 20 years of evolutionary divergence from some common antecedent, and probably something more like 50.

    If they could find an intermediary strain between ratg13and covid19 it'd go a long way to solving the mystery, IMHO.

    Think it's the furin cleavage site that is the key in finding the origins

    That activation site enabled the virus to spread efficiently between humans

    Good read here on it

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bies.202000240


  • #8023
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    As of Jan 20, 2021, IRELAND has improved to a Recovering state from a previous state of Spreading. The infection is decreasing (R = 0.76). There are currently 32,366 active cases. New Cases are currently 20,438 per week, down 47% from a peak of 38,288 per week. New Deaths are currently 252 per week, down 0% from a peak of 252 per week. This is the 8th surge in infections, which started on the week of Dec 10, 2020. With 252 new deaths, this is the worst week so far for deaths during this surge. The Contagion Risk is extremely high at 96.6%. This is the likelihood of meeting an infected person during one hundred random encounters. It appears that the level of social distancing has increased dramatically, resulting in lower levels of infection growth. IRELAND is currently on the HotSpot list due to a high increase in deaths. The Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is estimated as 1.8%. This is significantly lower than the average CFR of 2.3%. Preliminary estimates suggest that 15% of the population may have been infected and are presumed immune. This may be enough to slightly suppress the spread of the virus. This preliminary estimation also implies an Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of roughly 0.4%. The Short-Term Indicator suggests that the infection is likely to worsen over the course of the next few days.

    https://covid19.hpccsystems.com/


  • #8024
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Gp referral data is out:

    Progress seems to be slowing, similar numbers to yesterday and about 20% lower than the same day last week.

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-01-21_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

    Yeah, hope this isn't plateauing - I think the next 7 days of figures will tell us whether we are going back to early December levels or whether some extraneous factor (whether the UK variant or too much population movement still) means we are going to have 1000+ daily cases for the medium term.


  • #8025
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Glastonbury 2021 cancelled

    my big thing this year was the Ring of Beara cycle at the end of May. Have no doubt now that that will be cancelled


  • #8026
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Gp referral data is out:

    Progress seems to be slowing, similar numbers to yesterday and about 20% lower than the same day last week.

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-01-21_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

    With close contacts not being tested it's not going to improve

    Friend of mine tested positive this week ( cold symptoms, would never you stop you from working etc ) and his wife has no symptoms and couldn't get a test unless she had, she's been in work all week and can't get social welfare payment unless she has a postive test, they are paying €2000 pm rent in Dublin and though it's wrong to go to work,she's not going to lie and say she has symptoms, when she hasn't to get a test. Goverment need to cop on


  • #8027
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Gp referral data is out:

    Progress seems to be slowing, similar numbers to yesterday and about 20% lower than the same day last week.

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-01-21_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf
    Giving prominence to the first graphs isn't telling the whole story, really.

    Based on that graph, you would be lead to believe that Monday's referral number were worse than most of last week. Yet that didn't reflect in actual swab numbers.

    If you look at the absolute values; there's a clear decline in the blue and red guys.

    The GP buddy referrals is somewhat helpful, but it's a poor cousin of the test and trace daily dashboard which gives us a much more accurate figure for referrals. Hopefully when they resume close contact testing they'll start publishing that again.


  • #8028
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Threads merged


  • #8029
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    WHO updated guidance for PCR testing yesterday... interesting that this is released when cases are at an all time high... is there a suggestion that case numbers are inflated?



    WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

    WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases (2). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity.

    Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.

    https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05


  • #8030
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    With close contacts not being tested it's not going to improve

    Friend of mine tested positive this week ( cold symptoms, would never you stop you from working etc ) and his wife has no symptoms and couldn't get a test unless she had, she's been in work all week and can't get social welfare payment unless she has a postive test, they are paying €2000 pm rent in Dublin and though it's wrong to go to work,she's not going to lie and say she has symptoms, when she hasn't to get a test. Goverment need to cop on

    Thats simply not true about social welfare. My own family went on it in the summer as one was a close contact.

    Close contacts have to restrict their movements, a doctor can sign them off work through covid illness benefit and they get €350 a week. GP submits the form to social welfare with a code that they have and you take it from there. Its very straightforward. Its an inital 2 weeks and can be extended by GP letter if required.

    Covid illness benefit

    "You can apply for enhanced Illness Benefit, if you:
    Are suspected of having COVID-19 and are told by a doctor or the Health Service Executive (HSE) to self-isolate or restrict your movements or
    Are diagnosed with COVID-19"


  • #8031
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    With close contacts not being tested it's not going to improve

    Friend of mine tested positive this week ( cold symptoms, would never you stop you from working etc ) and his wife has no symptoms and couldn't get a test unless she had, she's been in work all week and can't get social welfare payment unless she has a postive test, they are paying €2000 pm rent in Dublin and though it's wrong to go to work,she's not going to lie and say she has symptoms, when she hasn't to get a test. Goverment need to cop on

    Clear infliction point in the data - cases in close contacts now significantly exceeding those in community transmission.

    Its not the government fault someone who is a close contact wont go work. You are entitled to sick pay if you are a close contact of a confirmed

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/disability_and_illness/covid19_enhanced_illness_benefit.html#:~:text=Illness%20Benefit%20contact%20centre,3300%20or%201890%20928%20400.


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  • #8032
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    seamus wrote: »
    The GP buddy referrals is somewhat helpful, but it's a poor cousin of the test and trace daily dashboard which gives us a much more accurate figure for referrals. Hopefully when they resume close contact testing they'll start publishing that again.

    Yes, agree, it's not a scientific survey, and the data moves around purely due to the number of GPs who complete it each day. I would prefer if the graphs were going down faster though!


  • #8033
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    ''Holohan warns of up to 1,000 Covid-19 deaths in January, calls for tighter air travel rules''

    That's for the whole month. Was written on this day last week, 14th January. There's been 539 deaths so far.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/holohan-warns-of-up-to-1-000-covid-19-deaths-in-january-calls-for-tighter-air-travel-rules-1.4464294


  • #8034
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    WHO updated guidance for PCR testing yesterday... interesting that this is released when cases are at an all time high... is there a suggestion that case numbers are inflated?



    WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

    WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases (2). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity.

    Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.

    https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

    Not from reputable labs. Clear guidlines around this.

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/outbreakmanagementguidance/PCR%20weak%20results%20guidance.pdf


  • #8035
    Thats me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Thats me


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    WHO updated guidance for PCR testing yesterday... interesting that this is released when cases are at an all time high... is there a suggestion that case numbers are inflated?

    There was explanation of unreliability of PCR in another thread: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115377506

    Hard to say how inflated Irish numbers are, but if they are inflated it is even worse meaning higher case fatality ratio.


  • #8036
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    seamus wrote: »
    Six-second google;
    https://www.thelocal.es/20210118/reader-question-can-foreigners-in-spain-get-the-covid-19-vaccine

    There's being negative, and then there's being wilfully ignorant.
    Maybe you should read the article.

    "Make sure that your documents are up to date so that you are in the system and they know how to find you. That means ensuring you are on the padron at your latest address and that you are registered with your local medical centre."

    They are offering that advice to foreigners wondering how will they get the vaccination at the appropriate time.


  • #8037
    seamie78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭seamie78


    y2k2020 wrote: »
    With close contacts not being tested it's not going to improve

    Friend of mine tested positive this week ( cold symptoms, would never you stop you from working etc ) and his wife has no symptoms and couldn't get a test unless she had, she's been in work all week and can't get social welfare payment unless she has a postive test, they are paying €2000 pm rent in Dublin and though it's wrong to go to work,she's not going to lie and say she has symptoms, when she hasn't to get a test. Goverment need to cop on
    Better to lie and get a test than go to work and become a possible super spreader, people question why restriction dont work id say your friend wife is exhibit a. as a partner of someone who is a confirmed case you assume that you also have it


  • #8038
    snowgal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭snowgal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    my big thing this year was the Ring of Beara cycle at the end of May. Have no doubt now that that will be cancelled

    and yet theyre allowing Cheltenham to go ahead, WITH racegoers!!! Madness, the deals are up online today.......:eek:































    sorry couldnt resist after last years threads going mad for months and months after!! :D It is NOT happening, chill.....................


  • #8039
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    seamie78 wrote: »
    Better to lie and get a test than go to work and become a possible super spreader, people question why restriction dont work id say your friend wife is exhibit a. as a partner of someone who is a confirmed case you assume that you also have it

    Fully agree

    Why should she have to lie?


  • #8040
    y2k2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭y2k2020


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Thats simply not true about social welfare. My own family went on it in the summer as one was a close contact.

    Close contacts have to restrict their movements, a doctor can sign them off work through covid illness benefit and they get €350 a week. GP submits the form to social welfare with a code that they have and you take it from there. Its very straightforward. Its an inital 2 weeks and can be extended by GP letter if required.

    Covid illness benefit

    "You can apply for enhanced Illness Benefit, if you:
    Are suspected of having COVID-19 and are told by a doctor or the Health Service Executive (HSE) to self-isolate or restrict your movements or
    Are diagnosed with COVID-19"

    Her work want's a positive to test

    Some people are still managed by clowns


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  • #8041
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    seamus wrote: »
    Jaysus, when I read it, the last thing I though was, "That means they'll exclude non-citizens". Can't wait for the days when people have more to be worrying about than the simple misuse of a turn of phrase.
    e.

    I cut people some slack to be honest .People are easily rattled these days as we all are .I read it quickly but Yes presumed it was a mistake but others might have been a little edgy about it


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