Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

um7y1h83ge06nx · 20-01-2021 09:11AM

I doubt teachers will go back until September. I think the unions were always looking for a good reason to close the schools and the huge rise in cases since Christmas is it.

History Queen · 20-01-2021 09:11AM

"There is nothing you could have promised the unions that would have convinced those teachers and those SNAs to go back to work"

Shane Coleman

wirelessdude01 · 20-01-2021 09:12AM

Jayden Full Cricket wrote: »

I doubt teachers will go back until September. I think the unions were always looking for a good reason to close the schools and the huge rise in cases since Christmas is it.

Stop posting absolute claptrap.

paddyirish23 · 20-01-2021 09:12AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Ohh my dear God. Inform yourself Paddy. Very ill-informed.

I'm not ill informed. That's the official statement from the government last night. I'm genuinely interested as to where they go to next now that they've said unions are not cooperating?
If I told my employer I not going in due to high cases (and I don't work in essential services and am still expected to work) I wouldn't be paid simple as. So do they let the unions dictate how things are going to go or make a decision and follow through?

wirelessdude01 · 20-01-2021 09:12AM

History Queen wrote: »

"There is nothing you could have promised the unions that would have convinced those teachers and those SNAs to go back to work"

Shane Coleman

She didn't answer it. She talked but didn't answer.

wirelessdude01 · 20-01-2021 09:14AM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

I'm not ill informed. That's the official statement from the government last night. I'm genuinely interested as to where they go to next now that they've said unions are not cooperating?
If I told my employer I not going in due to high cases (and I don't work in essential services and am still expected to work) I wouldn't be paid simple as. So do they let the unions dictate how things are going to go or make a decision and follow through?

Ask your TD if the PUP is available to any public servant? When you get an answer then you'll understand the ill-informed comment.

Also go back and reread the statement from INTO/Forsa. Point out where they refused to go back? They urged them to reconsider. Both unions cannot under their bylaws tell their members not to turn up for work.

History Queen · 20-01-2021 09:14AM

Now we are on to the Leaving Cert. This is a bloody shambles.

History Queen · 20-01-2021 09:15AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

She didn't answer it. She talked but didn't answer.

The issue is that statement is what the general public will take away.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 20-01-2021 09:15AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Stop posting absolute claptrap.

When do you think they will go back?

wirelessdude01 · 20-01-2021 09:18AM

JB on Morning Ireland. Guessing Norma to follow.

the kelt · 20-01-2021 09:20AM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

I'm not ill informed. That's the official statement from the government last night. I'm genuinely interested as to where they go to next now that they've said unions are not cooperating?
If I told my employer I not going in due to high cases (and I don't work in essential services and am still expected to work) I wouldn't be paid simple as. So do they let the unions dictate how things are going to go or make a decision and follow through?

Bit you can’t put someone who’s still working on pup, do keep up!

You can’t just put them on pup payment because they’re not working in a way you want them to, good man!

wirelessdude01 · 20-01-2021 09:20AM

Ohh my dear God. Norma needs to be removed from publicly commenting on this. Michael Martin needs to lead and realise that she isn't capable of allowing a compromise to be arrived at that both sides are happy to accept and that both can claim credit for.

Piehead · 20-01-2021 09:21AM

Norma taking that Boyle lad apart from limb to limb on Morning Ireland

wirelessdude01 · 20-01-2021 09:22AM

Claiming an agreement had been reached but that the unions pulled back.

Both unions utterly dispute this.

paddyirish23 · 20-01-2021 09:23AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Ask your TD if the PUP is available to any public servant? When you get an answer then you'll understand the ill-informed comment.

Also go back and reread the statement from INTO/Forsa. Point out where they refused to go back? They urged them to reconsider. Both unions cannot under their bylaws tell their members not to turn up for work.

Let's call a spade a spade here, the unions won't put themselves over a barrel for the government on this. They don't have to use an official statement to get it around to their members.
Games are being played here on both sides and my child's needs are completely disregarded!

Summer2020 · 20-01-2021 09:24AM

Norma is a major part of the problem here now. Taoiseach needs to get involved.

Leftwaffe · 20-01-2021 09:25AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

She didn't answer it. She talked but didn't answer.

Sounds about right. She never answers a direct question.

Mardyke · 20-01-2021 09:29AM

Foley's position is completely untenable.

This situation has been created by her lack of leadership, arrogance and astonishing lack of communication skills for someone responsible for managing interests from different parties.

the kelt · 20-01-2021 09:29AM

And there you go lads, it’s all your fault anyway according to Norma this morning, everyone’s fault

“Schools didn’t open because people didn’t do what they were asked to do’ in reducing personal contacts” according to Norma.

No mention of her government decision to open everything causing this mess.

If that doesn’t open people eyes in to what your dealing with her with Norma, nothing will.

paddyirish23 · 20-01-2021 09:30AM

the kelt wrote: »

Bit you can’t put someone who’s still working on pup, do keep up!

You can’t just put them on pup payment because they’re not working in a way you want them to, good man!

Online learning doesn't work for some kids. No amount of sending work out or videos to say hi will change this! Why should my child lose out? 6 in his class, are you telling me that's not as safe as its ever going to get? Any teachers or SNAs who are vulnerable given the option to stay at home. No more excuses plz. If they can't be put on PUP then they go back to work.

km79 · 20-01-2021 09:31AM

Summer2020 wrote: »

Norma is a major part of the problem here now. Taoiseach needs to get involved.

Agreed
Her position is untenable now tbh
She has conquered and divided all of the “education partners “ as planned
Only this time it didn’t have the desired outcome. So now we are left with an unholy mess and nobody has any respect for her or believes anything she says.
It’s too serious Norma for her to remain in charge . She has to go

History Queen · 20-01-2021 09:31AM

the kelt wrote: »

And there you go lads, it’s all your fault anyway according to Norma this morning, everyone’s fault

“Schools didn’t open because people didn’t do what they were asked to do’ in reducing personal contacts” according to Norma.

No mention of her government decision to open everything causing this mess.

If that doesn’t open people eyes in to what your dealing with her with Norma, nothing will.

Gavan Reilly calling out that BS

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1351807986390478848?s=19

km79 · 20-01-2021 09:33AM

History Queen wrote: »

Gavan Reilly calling out that BS

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1351807986390478848?s=19

So now she is blaming the parents and students as well as the teachers , unions and snas . A full house of her “education partners “

the kelt · 20-01-2021 09:34AM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Online learning doesn't work for some kids. No amount of sending work out or videos to say hi will change this! Why should my child lose out? 6 in his class, are you telling me that's not as safe as its ever going to get? Any teachers or SNAs who are vulnerable given the option to stay at home. No more excuses plz. If they can't be put on PUP then they go back to work.

But they are working, just not how you want them to.

It your fault anyway according to Norma this morning, schools didn’t open because we didn’t reduce our contacts like asked according to her.

We are all to blame, apart from government of course!

SusanC10 · 20-01-2021 09:35AM

So when do you all think that Schools will reopen for all students now? Feb 22nd after mid-Term?

Lux23 · 20-01-2021 09:38AM

I think it will be homeschooling, for most students, for the rest of the term.

jrosen · 20-01-2021 09:38AM

the kelt wrote: »

And there you go lads, it’s all your fault anyway according to Norma this morning, everyone’s fault

“Schools didn’t open because people didn’t do what they were asked to do’ in reducing personal contacts” according to Norma.

No mention of her government decision to open everything causing this mess.

If that doesn’t open people eyes in to what your dealing with her with Norma, nothing will.

Well how can you not agree with her? We are up **** creek because people in their droves did exactly what they were asked not too. They were asked to still limit contacts and while many did, there was many who didn’t. In fact it was even said don’t meet friend A on Monday and friend B on Tuesday. It couldn’t have been any clearer and people took the piss. Give an inch ect

titan18 · 20-01-2021 09:39AM

km79 wrote: »

So now she is blaming the parents and students as well as the teachers , unions and snas . A full house of her “education partners “

I wouldn't be fond of FF as a whole anyway, although I did give McGrath a very high preference in the last GE, but Foley is making me question ever voting for them again if they don't get rid of her.

BonsaiKitten · 20-01-2021 09:40AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

So when do you all think that Schools will reopen for all students now? Feb 22nd after mid-Term?

I reckon that they were expected to stay closed for a good while, that's why there was this push to get special schools open. All this hustle and disorganisation for the sake of a week makes no sense.

I also think opening the special schools was a backdoor to opening for essential workers children, kids who find leaning at home hard etc. We already had her expecting 'vulnerable' kids in, very easy to expand that definition once you have school open in the first place.

Anyway, the short answer is I don't know. I think after this embarrassment Storming Norma will want them open sooner.

combat14 · 20-01-2021 09:44AM

for any one who still thinks schools reopening in a hurry is top priority - the germans are extremely worried by these mutations - we still have bigger fish to fry:

“What We’re Dealing with Now Is a New Pandemic”

Can We Stop a Super Coronavirus?

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/can-germany-stop-the-new-supervirus-a-e9ffc207-0015-4330-8361-b306f6053e15?fbclid=IwAR0TvNGur9FlPjwo2KBIKsPNsNLLX3VA0vMGIK6WGhkWV0oyVlQnPBC0Tjg

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01