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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #7532
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,001 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Sorry Dr...

    Have you ever heard of putting your shoulder to the wheel.

    In a time of crisis all options should be considered.

    We can’t afford to drag it out. We need this to end ASAP.

    Don't be so naive.

    Doctors are not some solider that will do as they are told. They are paid professionals.

    Imagine someone asking you to do something for free, then imagine them MAKING you do it.

    Think before you post, it will be a huge help.


  • #7533
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    So how will cases come down when we come out of lockdown ?

    That is an unknown at this stage. If the vaccine successfully crashes the number of people needing medical assistance then we will not be as concerned with cases.


  • #7534
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,878 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I'm sorry, your not going to have a single GP be able to vaccinate 72 people an hour. Have some sense.

    Only this guy could manage that:P

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  • #7535
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    So how will cases come down when we come out of lockdown ?

    Cases wouldn’t matter if higher proportion are very mild and don’t result in hospitalisation or death. Hasn’t been definitively proven but hope is that if vaccinated, there will also be a reduction in transmission.


  • #7536
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    jackboy wrote: »
    That is an unknown at this stage. If the vaccine successfully crashes the number of people needing medical assistance then we will not be as concerned with cases.

    Pinning all our hopes on an unknown outcome isn't the best strategy


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  • #7537
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Hopefully this is true

    https://twitter.com/SeanKellyMEP/status/1351592052916686850?s=19

    Would be great if true but early days yet I'd say!


  • #7538
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Hopefully this is true

    https://twitter.com/SeanKellyMEP/status/1351592052916686850?s=19

    I hope it's true. But it has the smell of populist bol*ix about it. And that man is known for that.


  • #7539
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Would be great if true but early days yet I'd say!

    Bit optimistic I fear


  • #7540
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I'm sorry, your not going to have a single GP be able to vaccinate 72 people an hour. Have some sense.
    Well they could, if they had 20 people doing it at the same time but then you'd need another 30-40 for the admin side but that's an MVC!


  • #7541
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    I'd love to know who your GP is. 10 Patients an hour.:eek:

    Probably a Spanish doctor; Dr. Speedy Gonzales.


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  • #7542
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Pinning all our hopes on an unknown outcome isn't the best strategy

    We don't know if cases will come down, it is highly possible but not yet proven.

    We do know that the vaccines stop the disease taking hold in up to 95% of cases.


  • #7543
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    So how will cases come down when we come out of lockdown ?

    cases will cease to matter much once everyone is vaccinated and no one is getting sick and filling up hospitals. the hope would be it becomes another cold, widespread, but largely harmless.


  • #7544
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Vaccine isnt anywhere near as good as claimed.

    Plus major doubts that it will work against mutations.


    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-virus-czar-says-1st-dose-less-effective-than-pfizer-indicated-report/


    Israel’s coronavirus czar Nachman Ash has reportedly said the first dose of Pfizer’s vaccine provides less protection against COVID-19 than the US pharmaceutical firm had initially indicated it would, and cautioned that it may not protect against new strains of the virus.
    froog wrote: »
    did you read the article at all? i mean there's a reason for the second dose ffs. also he talks about people testing positive, the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid.

    some vaccine "czar" this guy is.

    He is the health minister so I presume he understands the percentage chance associated with contraction of the virus after the first shot and the rates they are seeing.

    I agree the article is confusing but they are the Country everyone should be looking to at the moment to see how the rollout is going considering they have a head start on everyone and will provide the earliest data.


  • #7545
    cannotlogin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    Today's death numbers are sobering and upsetting, but if any good at all from come from the announcement, it's is a reminder to all on how serious this is and why we need to maintain restrictions.

    Logically, the deaths have will be high for some weeks given the time lag between diagnosis and deaths.

    I've noticed that a lot of people are finding this lock down the most difficult to date so it's important also to not lose sight of the positives.

    - Cases number are down and falling

    - Some will argue that this is due to the fact we aren't testing close contacts and while it's true to a certain extent, it is somewhat offset by the number of compulsory testing on some building sites & also that a lot of people who are aware they are close contacts are getting tested anyway but indicating they have symptoms

    - vaccine numbers are up c. 100k at the moment

    - additional vaccines will be available shortly

    - the increase road traffic is die to more people using cars than public transport rather than increased movement

    - case numbers are improving, not as quickly we would like, but it's still positive and we will get there


  • #7546
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    titan18 wrote: »
    I don't think it's 15 mins with the flu jab tbf, or if it is, I've never been kept that long. For me, it's like 1-2 mins maybe after

    Was made wait 15 mins after flu jab in November (and after Covid jab last week)


  • #7547
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Bit optimistic I fear

    I think so but as time goes on hopefully there will be more vaccines and better supply. I think June is lot earlier than expected but hopefully by September say.


  • #7548
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,625 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    We don't know if cases will come down, it is highly possible but not yet proven.

    We do know that the vaccines stop the disease taking hold in up to 95% of cases.

    How many cases does it take hold in without the vaccine?


  • #7549
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    froog wrote: »
    cases will cease to matter much once everyone is vaccinated and no one is getting sick and filling up hospitals. the hope would be it becomes another cold, widespread, but largely harmless.
    Yeah, it's really the hospitals, 60% might even be good enough.


  • #7550
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Pinning all our hopes on an unknown outcome isn't the best strategy

    What else can we do. We are not going to go zero covid worldwide. If the vaccines don’t work highly effectively that could be catastrophic.


  • #7551
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    How many cases does it take hold in without the vaccine?
    That's a trick question. It could be 0 or x where x is any number between 1 and 100.


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  • #7552
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    He is the health minister so I presume he understands the percentage chance associated with contraction of the virus after the first shot and the rates they are seeing.

    I agree the article is confusing but they are the Country everyone should be looking to at the moment to see how the rollout is going considering they have a head start on everyone and will provide the earliest data.

    again, the vaccine is not designed to stop you getting the virus.


  • #7553
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    How many cases does it take hold in without the vaccine?

    You have access to a greater wealth of knowledge than any human in history. Use it.


  • #7554
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I'm sorry, your not going to have a single GP be able to vaccinate 72 people an hour. Have some sense.

    Actually this is completely possible in theory if GP had enough nurses to do so. I would also very happily take a vaccine from a healthcare assistant. Or anyone else who had some quick basic instruction for that matter.

    Reassuring to have someone in the building who can deal with an allergic reaction but risks of that are very low. Far more risky to take penicillin at home in your house in terms of an allergic reaction.


  • #7555
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,625 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    You have access to a greater wealth of knowledge than any human in history. Use it.

    Close down boards so?

    Not required we have google


  • #7556
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭Russman


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    I'd love to know who your GP is. 10 Patients an hour.:eek:

    Well I’ve never actually counted, but I’ve often, pre covid, sat in the full waiting room during the “walk in” part of the day and they’d certainly get through close to that at times. Obviously there are times it might be less but I wouldn’t think 8-10 is unusual. A friend of mine is a GP and once told me what the guidance was for the time per patient, I can’t remember what it was (it’s been a few years) but I remember being shocked at how low it was.

    The appointment part of the day is every 15 mins.


  • #7557
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Close down boards so?

    Not required we have google

    Google isn't a discussion forum. Don't be so silly.


  • #7558
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    majcos wrote: »
    Actually this is completely possible in theory if GP had enough nurses to do so. I would also very happily take a vaccine from a healthcare assistant.
    Or anyone else who had some quick basic instruction for that matter.

    Reassuring to have someone in the building who can deal with an allergic reaction but risks of that are very low. Far more risky to take penicillin at home in your house in terms of an allergic reaction.
    Yes but then the €30 per jab will be used to pay extra staff, totally negating the OP's belief that GP's were going to make a fortune and should be forced to administer it for free or face their licence being revoked. Crazy stuff.


  • #7559
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Yes but then the €30 per jab will be used to pay extra staff, totally negating the OP's belief that GP's were going to make a fortune and should be forced to administer it for free or face their licence being revoked. Crazy stuff.
    Some of them will probably choose to do much longer hours during this.


  • #7560
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    froog wrote: »
    again, the vaccine is not designed to stop you getting the virus.

    We are talking about this data and the results that are being seen and do they differ.
    According to Pfizer data published in December 2020, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is roughly 52% effective after the first dose. Out of 36,523 participants in the phase three trial – the final stage of testing where people either received two full doses, 21 days apart, or a placebo – who had no evidence of existing infection, 82 people in the placebo group and 39 in the vaccine group developed Covid-19 symptoms.

    They are not randomly testing people in Israel. It's the same kind of control study.


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  • #7561
    Pulsating Star
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Pulsating Star


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Last flu jab I got before Christmas, I had to wait the 15mins.

    When I got mine at a health centre before Christmas it absolutely was a conveyor system. No mention of the 15 mins, to the generally healthy at least.
    3 or 4 vaccinating simultaneously with a person alongside each doing the paperwork, a few minutes each.
    A nurse periodically walking the lines outside prioritising the most needy and bringing them to the head of the queue.

    It would probably be much much slower with this one but if done outside with the right set up a conveyor system is necessary for the numbers involved. Those clinically adjudged to need observation would need accommodating. Remember the most vulnerable should have already been processed prior to the general population.


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