16 family members given vaccine

jill_valentine · 18-01-2021 03:30PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Actually Jill as I stated earlier I know plenty of former colleagues in frontline hospitals in Dublin. They're just as mad about it and also the fact that people are defending what happened.

So why did you post about the nurse from Nenagh in direct reply...? Her logistical issue is completely outside the Coombe's control. Which I said at the time. And then you responded as if I'd said there wasn't an issue at all.

The Coombe managed to pull 120 extra free bonus doses out of their arses, and get them into 104 frontline and eligible patients, with the clock running down and no HSE approved booking system in place yet. Then at the last minute they got 7 more elderly people, and 2 more HSE workers, and 5 spare change.

So even though we've established they very comfortably exceeded expectations, and went above and beyond to get 100+ priority people dosed, and then contacted the HSE to report their surplus, and even though it's been drilled into us by the SMEs that speed beats perfection in jabbing everyone you can, as soon as you can, however you get hold of them... it's terridble, Joe.

Hedging against nepotism is one thing, are HSE staff's relatives supposed to get jabbed after everyone else in Ireland instead, to avoid the stinkeye from Boards.ie?

Nobody's told me yet where they'd get their 7 unrelated, non co-worker, over 70 people in to their workplace within an hour from btw.

ec18 · 18-01-2021 03:32PM

polesheep wrote: »

I said precisely what I meant and you have no right to interfere with my post or to assume that you know what I mean to say. Try thinking of something original to post yourself rather than interfering with other people's posts.

Of course I have the right, it's the internet

Just as much right as you had to bring a political party into a thread about hospital management.

My original thought it who cares, if anyone is genuinely shocked by someone in a position of authority prioritising those closest to them then they are dangerously naïve. I'd do the same if I was in his position and there were spare or excess vaccines under my control. Everyone should be vaccinated anyway so this is a hub bub about nothing for those who like to blame certain political parties for everything. Which you clearly do....

is_that_so · 18-01-2021 03:32PM

gmisk wrote: »

-the hospital being in line for vaccinations
(I have no idea how that is decided, do you?)

-the number of extra shots and how they filled those slots
(They squeezed out 120 extra shots they managed to get 104 to frontline workers at short notice)

-the 16 and how they filled those
(These must have been done at even shorter notice, 9 of them went to over 70s, I am guessing they didn't have a list of people in front of them on an IT system, so they got them used at very short notice rather than dumping, it was done of the fly by the sounds of it)

Let's maybe see what comes out, but the above doesn't sound like a big deal at all to me.

I wasn't looking for you to give me an answer on these but cheers. IMO these are the broad questions that will need to be looked at.

jill_valentine · 18-01-2021 03:35PM

Nenagh vs Dublin is a good question. Could it be a matter of cold chain infrastructure?

Gatling · 18-01-2021 03:38PM

What's with the variation on doses in the coombe some said that they managed to get 5 doses per Vial others say they stretched to 7 doses per Vial ,hence why they had extra doses ,

steddyeddy · 18-01-2021 03:44PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

The Coombe managed to pull 120 extra free bonus doses out of their arses, and get them into 104 frontline and eligible patients, with the clock running down and no HSE approved booking system in place yet. Then at the last minute they got 7 more elderly people, and 2 more HSE workers, and 5 spare change.

Jill as stated earlier I'm not just focusing on shadowy elements that are open to conjecture. What they have admitted is also not what we should expect from a health provider.

The staff got 120 extra does right?

That wasn't because the vials contained more than the stated dose. It's because the type of needle you use determines the amount dispensed. After dilution, it is possible to obtain six doses from a vial if you use low dead-volume (≤35 μL) syringe.

They should have known what type of dispensing system was being used initially. This is well known in relation to liquid vaccines. The media are reporting this like it's a complete surprise. It couldn't have been.

Secondly why in the name of god did they start vaccinating without a system in place? This is unheard of.

Wombatman · 18-01-2021 03:45PM

Gatling wrote: »

What's with the variation on doses in the coombe some said that they managed to get 5 doses per Vial others say they stretched to 7 doses per Vial ,hence why they had extra doses ,

Six was the new standard as of the 8th, the day in question.

"EU regulators OK increasing doses from virus vaccine vials"

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/eu-regulators-ok-increasing-doses-from-virus-vaccine-vials-1.5258626

steddyeddy · 18-01-2021 03:46PM

Gatling wrote: »

What's with the variation on doses in the coombe some said that they managed to get 5 doses per Vial others say they stretched to 7 doses per Vial ,hence why they had extra doses ,

This is the guidence from Pfizer, the group behind the vaccine. It depends completely on the delivery system. Otherwise it's due to errors in dilutions, resuspensions.

Each vial contains at least the number of doses stated. It is normal for liquid to remain in the vial after withdrawing the final dose.

‘When low dead volume syringes and/or needles are used, the amount remaining in the vial may be sufficient for an additional dose.’

polesheep · 18-01-2021 03:49PM

ec18 wrote: »

Of course I have the right, it's the internet Just as much right as you had to bring a political party into a thread about hospital management.

My original thought it who cares, if anyone is genuinely shocked by someone in a position of authority prioritising those closest to them then they are dangerously naïve. I'd do the same if I was in his position and there were spare or excess vaccines under my control. Everyone should be vaccinated anyway so this is a hub bub about nothing for those who like to blame certain political parties for everything. Which you clearly do....

Enough said.

steddyeddy · 18-01-2021 03:51PM

The thing we want to avoid in this rollout is anything that fuels scepticism about the vaccine rollout. This has to be an incredibly transparent process.

steddyeddy · 18-01-2021 03:52PM

polesheep wrote: »

Enough said.

That's the definition of the Irish civil service. Unfortunately the more people who think like that the less we can expect back.

suicide_circus · 18-01-2021 03:52PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The thing we want to avoid in this rollout is anything that fuels scepticism about the vaccine rollout. This has to be an incredibly transparent process.

My mate just got a vaccine off donedeal

Paranoid Mandroid · 18-01-2021 03:55PM

All of these articles and moaning and criticism is going to cause so much fear from the people trying to complete vaccines. They will be super cautious and dump lots of it because of this. It's not even news. Use the stuff that's available, move on.

iamwhoiam · 18-01-2021 03:57PM

Regardless of the ins and outs and how it was dealt with giving it to the Masters children was never going to go down well

steddyeddy · 18-01-2021 04:01PM

Paranoid Mandroid wrote: »

All of these articles and moaning and criticism is going to cause so much fear from the people trying to complete vaccines. They will be super cautious and dump lots of it because of this. It's not even news. Use the stuff that's available, move on.

You see this is more complicated than "use the stuff available".

Different people will have different priorities. Those of greater priority need to be vaccinated first. This requires an effective means of assessing priority and a method of keeping track of levels of priority.

The Coombe have admitted that either they didn't follow the levels of priority or that they have no means to keep track of priority levels.

Most developed countries don't have to choose between "random priority lists" vs dumping lots of vaccine.

suicide_circus · 18-01-2021 04:01PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Regardless of the ins and outs and how it was dealt with giving it to the Masters children was never going to go down well

Agreed. I'm glad it didnt go to waste but giving it to the Master's kids was straight up dumb.

Russman · 18-01-2021 04:01PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Secondly why in the name of god did they start vaccinating without a system in place? This is unheard of.

Remember the whinging when we were only scheduled to start vaccinating on 29th (or was it the 30th ?) and other EU countries were going to start on 26th/27th.....the world and its mother was saying to start injecting, every day saves lives etc.

Imagine a hospital or health service saying "sorry we can't start giving out vaccines yet as we haven't a proper IT system in place"
Of course, there should have been a proper system in place but thats a different argument.

Nermal · 18-01-2021 04:03PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Nobody's told me yet where they'd get their 7 unrelated, non co-worker, over 70 people in to their workplace within an hour from btw.

Why do they have to be over 70?

They just have to be older than the boss's children.

gmisk · 18-01-2021 04:03PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Agreed. I'm glad it didnt go to waste but giving it to the Master's kids was straight up dumb.

Even if one of them works in the Coombe and the other works in health care?

steddyeddy · 18-01-2021 04:03PM

Russman wrote: »

Remember the whinging when we were only scheduled to start vaccinating on 29th (or was it the 30th ?) and other EU countries were going to start on 26th/27th.....the world and its mother was saying to start injecting, every day saves lives etc.

Imagine a hospital or health service saying "sorry we can't start giving out vaccines yet as we haven't a proper IT system in place"
Of course, there should have been a proper system in place but thats a different argument.

It's the same argument. It's utter incompetence. I used to work there and seen how slow it is on the admin side of things.

steddyeddy · 18-01-2021 04:04PM

gmisk wrote: »

Even if one of them works in the Coombe and the other works in health care?

Yes of course it is. They're of college going age and one of them works on a voluntary capacity.

suicide_circus · 18-01-2021 04:06PM

gmisk wrote: »

Even if one of them works in the Coombe and the other works in health care?

Yes - it turns a potentially good pragmatic decision to avoid waste into personal gain verging on corruption.

hynesie08 · 18-01-2021 04:06PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yes of course it is. They're of college going age and one of them works on a voluntary capacity.

So, vaccinate frontline workers unless they're related to another frontline worker.......

Should they have their own group or how would you work it?

Amirani · 18-01-2021 04:07PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So, vaccinate frontline workers unless they're related to another frontline worker.......

Should they have their own group or how would you work it?

You shouldn't be allowed work in healthcare if you have another relative working in or receiving healthcare. Nepotism needs to be stamped out.

givyjoe · 18-01-2021 04:09PM

votecounts wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0118/1190394-coombe-virus/

People like myself waiting patiently for my parents to get the vaccine and low risk people get it simply because they have a family member in the know. If they were going to run out why did they order so many or give them to more deserving cases. Sackable offence for Donnolly and the staff members involved.
No wonder the rollout will takes ages:(

How in the name of God is it a sackable offense for Donnelly? He had no prior no prior knowledge of this, nor did he approve it. He came out and said it shouldn't have happened. What do you expect him to do, have all the vaccines under lock and key under his work desk?

hynesie08 · 18-01-2021 04:10PM

Amirani wrote: »

You shouldn't be allowed work in healthcare if you have another relative working in or receiving healthcare. Nepotism needs to be stamped out.

That is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read......
"yeah, you graduated top of your class, but your auntie is a gp in Cork so tough ****"

ec18 · 18-01-2021 04:11PM

Amirani wrote: »

You shouldn't be allowed work in healthcare if you have another relative working in or receiving healthcare. Nepotism needs to be stamped out.

that's a ridiculous statement....so two siblings can't become doctors or nurses......you'll never get rid of nepotism it's human nature to intervene on behalf of family/friends. Anyone that says otherwise is lying to themselves.

suicide_circus · 18-01-2021 04:11PM

Amirani wrote: »

You shouldn't be allowed work in healthcare if you have another relative working in or receiving healthcare. Nepotism needs to be stamped out.

Look, the best possible recipients of this surplice vaccine just happened to be the boss's kids. Nothing to see here.

steddyeddy · 18-01-2021 04:11PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So, vaccinate frontline workers unless they're related to another frontline worker.......

Should they have their own group or how would you work it?

You're confusing yourself H. There's no "don't vaccinate list". It's a matter of priorities. Frontline staff come in before young family members.

givyjoe · 18-01-2021 04:12PM

osarusan wrote: »

Seriously?

Nepotism needs to be stamped out, but a blanket policy of not allowing relatives of existing healthcare workers to become healthcare workers themselves is crazy.

And the idea that somebody cannot become a healthcare worker because a relative is receiving healthcare? WTF?

Eh, I think it was a joke..

16 family members given vaccine

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