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nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:20pm

Overheal wrote: »

Would it?

Did you stop to see why the posts were deleted?

Typically it was petty off topic bickering (like what we're engaged in).

I read the thread daily and don't recall seeing overtly racist rhetoric used at any point.

What is your knowledge base in relation to racism within the Republic of Ireland? Do you believe this is an institutionally racist country?

frozenfrozen · 18-01-2021 3:20pm

and let it be known not 1 in every 11 posts was deleted for racism.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:21pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

and let it be known not 1 in every 11 posts was deleted for racism.

How would you know? How would you prove it?

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:22pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

and let it be known not 1 in every 11 posts was deleted for racism.

Doesn't stop that crowd from making false equivalences and piling in on the thread.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:22pm

nullzero wrote: »

Did you stop to see why the posts were deleted?

Typically it was petty off topic bickering.

I read the thread daily and don't recall seeing overtly racist rhetoric used at any point.

What is your knowledge base in relation to racism within the Republic of Ireland? Do you believe this is an institutionally racist country?

I don't expect people who deny racism to see racism when it slaps them in the face.

frozenfrozen · 18-01-2021 3:22pm

Overheal wrote: »

How would you know? How would you prove it?

That's incredibly easy to prove.

"Yes I deleted those posts within the last hour, made by several users, (not sure what earlier posts you are referring to as I wasn't online earlier)

They were not discussing the topic of the thread. It was you and another user arguing about having poor standards of discussion and dodging questions or something along those lines. They were off topic and will not be restored."

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:22pm

Overheal wrote: »

How would you know? How would you prove it?

Same goes for you.

JeffKenna · 18-01-2021 3:22pm

Overheal wrote: »

Would it?

Be interesting to get those same stats for the Trump thread.

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:23pm

Overheal wrote: »

I don't expect people who deny racism to see racism when it slaps them in the face.

Are you saying I deny racism?

Prove it.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:23pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

That's incredibly easy to prove.

"Yes I deleted those posts within the last hour, made by several users, (not sure what earlier posts you are referring to as I wasn't online earlier)

They were not discussing the topic of the thread. It was you and another user arguing about having poor standards of discussion and dodging questions or something along those lines. They were off topic and will not be restored."

Is racism not a poor standard of discussion?

18-01-2021 3:24pm

And to use one of the more recent examples from the thread. A lecturer who has lived in Ireland since he was a child and this is the type of remarks from posters when he discussed experiences with racism "I know it is RTE, but I wonder if Tommy asked his guest about the Nigerian gangs trafficking children into Ireland for sex?". Basically painting a guy with the same brush based on nationality... So you can pick between xenophobia or racism with remarks like that.

Also I don't believe anyone has proven abusing a report button is responsible for threads being locked...

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:24pm

nullzero wrote: »

Are you saying I deny racism?

Prove it.

Those dastardly uneven standards of evidence rearing their head again

frozenfrozen · 18-01-2021 3:24pm

Overheal wrote: »

Is racism not a poor standard of discussion?

clutch at straws more

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:25pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

clutch at straws more

Clutching at straws is what I find it to be when people complain about reports shutting down their 'totally perfect conversation'

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:25pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And to use one of the more recent examples from the thread. A lecturer who has lived in Ireland since he was a child and this is the type of remarks from posters when he discussed experiences with racism "I know it is RTE, but I wonder if Tommy asked his guest about the Nigerian gangs trafficking children into Ireland for sex?". Basically painting a guy with the same brush based on nationality... So you can pick between xenophobia or racism with remarks like that.

Also I don't believe anyone has proven abusing a report button is responsible for threads being locked...

Talking about criminality coming out of a country where people happen to be black is racist?

If they said that is happening because of the skin colour of those involved, that's racist. As it stands it isn't.

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:26pm

Overheal wrote: »

Those dastardly uneven standards of evidence rearing their head again

You're saying I'm denying racism.

Prove it.

Otherwise this is just waffle.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:28pm

nullzero wrote: »

You're saying I'm denying racism.

Prove it.

Otherwise this is just waffle.

Now you're getting it.

nullzero wrote: »

In light of the fact that there are threads aplenty left to fester on this site regardless of their worthiness in terms of enlightened or relevant discussion and anything that upsets a certain cohort of users seems to be locked upon the commencement of complaints through feedback and reported posts, the simplest explanation may not be what you might think it is.

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:29pm

Overheal wrote: »

Now you're getting it.

What is this?

Show me denying racism please.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:30pm

nullzero wrote: »

What is this?

Show me denying racism please.

Show threads being shut down because reporting of posts was abused?

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:31pm

Overheal wrote: »

Show threads being shut down because reporting of posts was abused?

I already spoke about how they were listed earlier in this thread.

Go read the thread.

You can't provide any evidence of me denying racism because none exists.

osarusan · 18-01-2021 3:32pm

Jaysus lads...state of this thread now.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:32pm

nullzero wrote: »

I already spoke about how they were listed earlier in this thread.

Go read the thread.

You can't provide any evidence of me denying racism because none exists.

Yeah, you provided a lot of waffle, without proof. Here we come full circle - or full waffle as it were.

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:35pm

Overheal wrote: »

Yeah, you provided a lot of waffle, without proof. Here we come full circle - or full waffle

Is it up to me to list things for your convenience that have already been posted on this very thread?

You're a big boy, go do your own research.

You are a moderator on this site and you feel you can go around making things up about people. So much for the basic "don't be a dick" doctrine.

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:36pm

osarusan wrote: »

Jaysus lads...state of this thread now.

My thoughts exactly.

ToddDameron · 18-01-2021 3:38pm

nullzero wrote: »

Is it up to me to list things for your convenience that have already been posted on this very thread?

You're a big boy, go do your own research.

You are a moderator on this site and you feel you can go around making things up about people. So much for the basic "don't be a dick" doctrine.

He's also a moderator who celebrated the death of a woman being trampled to death and said that conservatives were inherently stupid. I wouldn't waste my breath on this lad.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:39pm

nullzero wrote: »

Is it up to me to list things for your convenience that have already been posted on this very thread?

You're a big boy, go do your own research.

You are a moderator on this site and you feel you can go around making things up about people. So much for the basic "don't be a dick" doctrine.

A moderator? Heaven's no, I finally retired. Someone hasn't done their own research, tsk.

I've been following along in the thread and have yet to see any proof emerge that there has been abuse of the reported post system, especially in regard to the thread you're acutely upset about being closed.

Methinks you're getting a little too worked up about this.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:40pm

ToddDameron wrote: »

He's also a moderator who celebrated the death of a woman being trampled to death and said that conservatives were inherently stupid. I wouldn't waste my breath on this lad.

This never happened. Truly. Never spoke a word about the woman trampled, never even seen the video of the one trampled. I've already addressed this with you, even a site:boards.ie google demonstrated there is no evidence for your claim.

ToddDameron · 18-01-2021 3:41pm

Overheal wrote: »

This never happened. Truly. Never spoke a word about the woman trampled, never even seen the video of the one trampled.

Just because you had your post deleted doesn't mean it didn't happen. Plenty saw it, you are as dishonest as they come.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:43pm

ToddDameron wrote: »

Just because you had your post deleted doesn't mean it didn't happen. Plenty saw it, you are as dishonest as they come.

You are entirely mistaken.

In actual fact, I was quite relieved that Capitol security dispatched Ashley Babbitt, not the woman who was trampled.

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:44pm

Overheal wrote: »

A moderator? Heaven's no, I finally retired. Someone hasn't done their own research, tsk.

I've been following along in the thread and have yet to see any proof emerge that there has been abuse of the reported post system, especially in regard to the thread you're acutely upset about being closed.

Methinks you're getting a little too worked up about this.

You're accusing me of getting worked up? What a load of condescending nonsense.

You arrived in here posting like a madman making accusations you cannot back up whilst demanding evidence. Talk about posting in bad faith.

ToddDameron · 18-01-2021 3:44pm

Overheal wrote: »

You are entirely mistaken.

In actual fact, I was quite relieved that Capitol security dispatched Ashley Babbitt, not the woman who was trampled.

Then why quote a post about the trampled woman to express your glee? Just stop lying.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:46pm

nullzero wrote: »

You're accusing me of getting worked up? What a load of condescending nonsense.

You just referred to me as a big boy and insinuated I was being a dick,

You arrived in here posting like a madman making accusations you cannot back up whilst demanding evidence. Talk about posting in bad faith.

And are now calling me a 'madman' while demanding double standards of evidence.

Absolutely I am accusing you of getting worked up.

Kivaro · 18-01-2021 3:47pm

nullzero wrote: »

Talking about criminality coming out of a country where people happen to be black is racist?

If they said that is happening because of the skin colour of those involved, that's racist. As it stands it isn't.

Of course it was not racist, but it does not surprise me that he thought it was. They see racism everywhere. Unsurprisingly the rest of the quote was not provided where the post deals with the lack of partially by RTE when it comes to race relations in Ireland. RTE sells the Ebun Joseph version of race in Ireland with little to no reporting about the racism exhibited by blacks on white people in this country; of which there are numerous examples including the Nkencho gang that racially abused the innocent people in the Spar in Blanchardstown solely based on their white skin colour.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:47pm

ToddDameron wrote: »

Then why quote a post about the trampled woman to express your glee? Just stop lying.

I don't recall that it was such a post, and if it was then I was under the impression we were talking about Babbitt. I am only peripherally aware of a woman getting trampled, I haven't seen the video of that, it's certainly gotten far less notoriety.

I don't think you are allowed to post in this forum yet so I'll leave it there. Ha! 2021. Got me.

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:49pm

Overheal wrote: »

You just referred to me as a big boy and insinuated I was being a dick,

And are now calling me a 'madman' while demanding double standards of evidence.

Absolutely I am accusing you of getting worked up.

You get offended easily.

Saying you're a big boy in relation to you doing your own research is hardly offensive.

You accused me of denying racism, offered no evidence to support that claim, engaged in childish bickering including posting a stupid picture of a waffle, and I said so much for "don't be a dick". Is that not fair comment?

I said you were posting like a madman, perhaps the use of that term in Ireland alludes you, I was referring to you posting a lot of posts in quick succession. I was not calling you a madman. But then you're not Irish and don't have the same insight into Irish issues as most on this site so I can understand that.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:51pm

nullzero wrote: »

You get offended easily.

Saying you're a big boy in relation to you doing your own research is hardly offensive.

You accused me of denying racism, offered no evidence to support that claim, engaged in childish bickering including posting a stupid picture of a waffle, and I said so much for "don't be a dick". Is that not fair comment?

I said you were posting like a madman, perhaps the use of that term in Ireland alludes you, I was referring to you posting a lot of posts in quick succession. I was not calling you a madman. But then you're not Irish and don't have the same insight into Irish issues as most on this site so I can understand that.

You've become completely unhinged now, so I will leave it there. My point has already been demonstrated. Waffle on.

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:51pm

Overheal wrote: »

I don't think you are allowed to post in this forum yet so I'll leave it there.

The charter states ; "To post in Feedback, you must have 100 posts on the site and have been a registered member for at least 3 months."

Why would you be so keen to see this poster having their access to the forum brought into question?

For reference, that poster is here well over 3 months and has more than 3 times the required post count.

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:52pm

Overheal wrote: »

You've become completely unhinged now, so I will leave it there. My point has already been demonstrated. Waffle on.

How have I become unhinged exactly?

I explained in detail why I used words that you took issue with.

Now you're attempting to take the moral high ground.

Utterly pathetic stuff.

Overheal · 18-01-2021 3:53pm

nullzero wrote: »

The charter states ; "To post in Feedback, you must have 100 posts on the site and have been a registered member for at least 3 months."

Why would you be so keen to see this poster having their access to the forum brought into question?

nullzero wrote: »

How have I become unhinged exactly?

I explained in detail why I used words that you took issue with.

Now you're attempting to take the moral high ground.

Utterly pathetic stuff.

Reinforces #2337. Later.

nullzero · 18-01-2021 3:58pm

Overheal wrote: »

Reinforces #2337. Later.

I'm unhinged because you wanted a poster barred from posting in a thread where they are entitled to post seemingly because they brought up things you said previously that you would rather were forgotten about?

Out of the two of us who is more unhinged exactly?

Effects · 18-01-2021 3:59pm

nullzero wrote: »

You arrived in here posting like a madman making accusations you cannot back up whilst demanding evidence.

Sounds like you’re taking about yourself. You’ve been asked to back up you own false statements and you just don’t bother. You just keep deflecting.

You’re getting awfully worked up!

nullzero · 18-01-2021 4:00pm

Effects wrote: »

Sounds like you’re taking about yourself. You’ve been asked to back up you own false statements and you just don’t bother. You just keep deflecting.

You’re getting awfully worked up!

Let me guess, your dad would batter my dad as well?

18-01-2021 4:03pm

Jesus Christ. Never mind the George thread being shut down, this should be closed due to absolute bull**** being spouted and personal arguments.

A great example of why threads actually get shut down. Same people constantly derailing and repeating themselves.

This is it · 18-01-2021 4:12pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jesus Christ. Never mind the George thread being shut down, this should be closed due to absolute bull**** being spouted and personal arguments.

A great example of why threads actually get shut down. Same people constantly derailing and repeating themselves.

Or the perfect example of where posters should be removed from a thread and not let the few ruin it for everyone else who are contributing positively.

Acosta · 18-01-2021 4:15pm

The George Nkencho thread was a **** show right from the start. Before his body was even cold people were on that thread spreading false information. A lot of new profiles were popping up to help spread these lies and there was a lot of racism. Thankfully pretty much all the racist posts were removed by the mods.
But for weeks you still had many posts basically revelling in the death of a guy. It was very disturbing IMO.

At this stage from what I saw of that thread before it was closed, after thousands of posts, it was basically just an extension of the multiculturalism thread and not much of the incident itself was being discussed.

I am surprised by a lot of what is allowed to play out on the CA forum given how heavily moderated Boards is in general, but in the end I guess It's up to the people who run this forum to decide what they want to leave up and how they want to manage it.

Quantum Erasure · 18-01-2021 4:48pm

Overheal wrote: »

I think it’s very clear what I’m inferring. Winking and nudging within the rules can still lead to violent ends IRL. That is one among the reasons the site runs with volunteer moderation and not bot-o-matic moderation.

How do we stop this 'within the rules' posting before it goes too far? .....

Gatling · 18-01-2021 5:09pm

Overheal wrote: »

I don't expect people who deny racism to see racism when it slaps them in the face.

The biggest issue is people are using the term racism to shut down discussions ,
Is someone asking about why there has been no mention of sex trafficking gangs from Nigeria operating here in Ireland racist ,
At best you could claim generalisation but not racism ,

We have a full legal definition of racism and racists ,yet any discussion is labelled racism when it comes to economic migrant's claiming asylum or various different criminal gangs based on LA and London street gangs ( no discription other than that) allowed.
Is discussing bogus asylum seekers racist ?

It seems to me that it's a small cohort of people banding the word racist to cover a thousand different topics that doesn't actually involve anything racist

Omackeral · 18-01-2021 5:16pm

Overheal wrote: »

Absolutely I am accusing you of getting worked up.

Effects wrote: »

You’re getting awfully worked up!

This is the standard of posting in a feedback thread? Really? My god.

Gatling · 18-01-2021 5:39pm

Acosta wrote: »

But for weeks you still had many posts basically revelling in the death of a guy. It was very disturbing IMO.

Bs nobody was reveling in his death ,

Another of the issues is people claiming posts are there which don't exist ,
But oh thank god the mods removed all theses posts before anyone seen them

CtevenSrowder · 18-01-2021 5:40pm

Beasty is going to have an aneurysm when he sees this thread:pac:

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